Aeshdan he/him Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 I have noticed that a lot of people think Shallan has some connection to the Sixth Essence because her first Soulcasting produced blood. But I thought it was a rule of Soulcasting that you had to produce the Essence corresponding to the gem whose Light you used. So, Shallan has no special connection to Blood, it just happened that she had a garnet at hand when she first Soulcasts. Am I missing something here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurkistan he/him Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 (edited) I have noticed that a lot of people think Shallan has some connection to the Sixth Essence because her first Soulcasting produced blood. But I thought it was a rule of Soulcasting that you had to produce the Essence corresponding to the gem whose Light you used. So, Shallan has no special connection to Blood, it just happened that she had a garnet at hand when she first Soulcasts. Am I missing something here? Get away with thee, logic-speaker! That is a perfectly valid point. I think the reason people (including myself) were so willing to accept the assumption that Shallan was of the Sixth Order was because "Creative/Honest" meshes very well with what we've seen of her so far. I still think she's probably of the Sixth Order, if only because it may be the case that that's the reason why her first Soulcasting didn't occur until she was using a garnet. Edited December 14, 2011 by Kurkistan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj26792 he/him Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 (edited) There is other evidence, the divine attributes of that order (creative/honest) match her personality, she achieved her first soulcasting with a garnet to make blood, the gem and essence of that order, which you have rightly pointed out is circumstancial, but still provides some evidence. EDIT: Ninjas and their ninjaing me... but now its been said twice. Edited December 14, 2011 by dj26792 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeshdan he/him Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 I admit your other evidence. I just wanted to point out that Shallan, under those circumstances, would have had to have created blood no matter what Essence she is ordinarily linked with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulyssessword he/him Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 (edited) If it wasn't for the fact that Way of Kings is a story written by an author, I would tend to agree with you. However, I find it hard to believe that such a defining moment for a character would have such strong associations with a different order, in addition to the other evidence we have found. I don't think that she was made to Soulcast the goblet into blood solely because it would lead to her fake suicide attempt, I think it hints to her association with the orders of the Knights Radiant as well. For another example of a gemstone being used to hint at an order of the Knights Radiant (if I am remembering right), Kaladin was given a sapphire sphere when he was strung up in the storm. Any of the 10 types of gem would have worked, but only sapphire hints at his association with the Windrunners. Edited December 14, 2011 by ulyssessword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispsy he/him Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 I also agree the blood should not be counted as evidence we don't even know if soulcasting as a kr wannabe requires the specific gem or if that's just the fabrials (yes jasnah uses them but she is also trying to keep her cover) The creative/honest is a strong strong link tho, she is often attracting creation spren with her drawing and she gets into trouble alot for saying what she thinks however it's the truthspren that really do it for me kaladin leads and protects and he gains use of abilities, shallan has to say a truth about herself, with a stronger (not really a hard measuring for how true something is that I know of other then yes/no but u know why I mean!) truth granting more access. When u look at that it's almost hard to see how she wouldn't be creative/honest ESP if her memories are another power, but I believe she has been able to use them since she was young? Far before she started seeing spren in them but just pointing out it ties heavily with her creative side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
name_here Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 She had three Soulcaster fabrial-grade gems of different types at hand, as well as spheres that may or may not have sufficed to power her abilities. So the fact that she used a garnet instead of a smokestone or emerald may well be meaningful in and of itself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahak he/him Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 I have noticed that a lot of people think Shallan has some connection to the Sixth Essence because her first Soulcasting produced blood. But I thought it was a rule of Soulcasting that you had to produce the Essence corresponding to the gem whose Light you used. So, Shallan has no special connection to Blood, it just happened that she had a garnet at hand when she first Soulcasts. Am I missing something here? She was also carrying three large gems at the time: a Smokestone, a Ruby and a Diamond all of which she had previously tried to use and she had gained no new insights since. The implication is that it might be easier to Soulcast for the first time using the gem associated with your order. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeshdan he/him Posted December 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 She was also carrying three large gems at the time: a Smokestone, a Ruby and a Diamond all of which she had previously tried to use and she had gained no new insights since. The implication is that it might be easier to Soulcast for the first time using the gem associated with your order. That is perfectly true. (applause) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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