Veil Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 I just finished rereading Elantris and found myself craving some "new" Aons (that is, Aons with the chasm line included.) As far as I can tell, no one's ever drawn them. (Aside from these--which look awesome, but don't fit with the "correct" placement of the chasm line, as seen in Brandon's drawing here.) So I'm going to fix that. It'll take a while (so far I have half of them sketched but only seven cleaned up and ready to post. I'm going to go ahead and assume that the chasm line goes with only the "prime" Aon--upright, not flipped, and (if there are more than one in the right orientation) most central. This seems to fit with the text, e.g. when Raoden first releases the Dor with Aon Ehe. He paused at the end, hand hovering at the bottom, below the three basic lines. He could almost feel... He stabbed the Aon and slashed his finger through the air. And a small line streaked across the Aon behind it. Then it hit him. The Dor attacked with a roaring surge of power, and this time it hit no wall.(Elantris, chapter 49) Aon Ehe has 10 iterations of the three basic lines, but evidently only one chasm line. (Which is kind of a shame, because it looks cool with a bunch of extra lines...) I'll be posting side-by-side comparisons and Aons with multiple chasm lines on my Tumblr, but I'll keep it to just the new standard Aons here for now. Aan: Aha: Ala: Aon: Are: Ashe: Ata: More coming soon. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempus Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 How do you determine what the 'prime' Aon is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veil Posted April 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) The most important factor is that the "prime" Aon is oriented the same way as Aon Aon. (I suppose technically this hasn't been confirmed, but if you start each Aon with Aon Aon, I have to assume it's going to be the regular Aon and not randomly rotated or flipped.) Like that. ^ Most Aons only have one candidate. So far the only Aons I've found with more than one candidate are Eshe, Ire, and Kii. (Also possibly Reo. I think it only has one candidate, but I haven't studied that monstrosity too closely just yet.) Eshe has a central square surrounded by four others, so I'm assuming the center is the "prime." Ire and Kii have two overlapping/offset Aon Aons, so I'll probably be making two variations of those ones. (Unless we know whether Aons are drawn right-to-left or left-to-right?) Using Aon Aan as an example: ^The red lines indicate the "prime" Aon.^ Here's all the Aons (red for rotated, blue for mirrored and rotated.) There are 16 sets of the three basic lines, but only one oriented correctly. Does that make sense? Edit: I missed Aon Mea in my list above. Mea has two prime candidates, but again one of them is central (and also happens to be the only one with the X,) so I don't see any reason not to assume that one is the prime Aon. I also just have to say that Aons look WAY cooler with multiple chasm lines. I mean... Aon Are already looks pretty neat. Adding one chasm line... ...doesn't do much. (Although I'm sure the Elantrians are glad that's all the modification it needs.) But adding 16 chasm lines... Edited April 17, 2014 by Veil 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veil Posted April 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Back with the next set! Again, side-by-sides and Aons with multiple chasm lines are on my Tumblr under the "aons" tag. Daa: Dao: Deo: Eda: Edo: Ehe: Ela: Ena: Ene: Eon: Eshe: Note 1. This matters more for the images showing multiple chasm lines, but I still wanted to explain how I go about finding/counting Aons within Aons. I follow two rules: 1. If a line can be incorporated into a set of the three basic lines, it should be. Extra lines exist only where the basic lines cannot possibly be. (In other words, anything that can be Aon Aon is.) 1.a. There aren't unnecessary Aons. Two iterations of the basic lines sometimes overlap (mostly the dot for Lake Alonoe, sometimes the coast line) but overlap should be kept to a minimum. 2. The basic lines are rotated before they're mirrored. So looking at Aon Deo... ...you can either have four Aons rotated around the center or four Aons flipped and rotated around the center (or a combination that leads to more than four Aons.) There's no need to mirror them, however, so I'm assuming they aren't mirrored. (This also preserves the "prime" Aon required for the placement of the essential chasm line.) Note 2. I really can't emphasize how cool Aons look with multiple chasm lines. Favorite Aon of the day: Ela. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorridgeBrick Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 2. The basic lines are rotated before they're mirrored. So looking at Aon Deo... ...you can either have four Aons rotated around the center or four Aons flipped and rotated around the center (or a combination that leads to more than four Aons.) There's no need to mirror them, however, so I'm assuming they aren't mirrored. (This also preserves the "prime" Aon required for the placement of the essential chasm line.) Just for the sake of curiosity, could you also do versions of the Aons where all possible Aons are given the chasm lines? For example, Deo would have the chasm lines for both the unmirrored, rotated Aons and for the mirrored, rotated Aons, even though the two overlap and drawing the Aon only requires drawing the one set. I think the results might be even more aesthetically pleasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veil Posted April 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) *Thinking of Aon Reo* (Reo is 4 rotated squares overlapping a double-diamond like the one in Aon Aha. That's already 20 Aons without the reflected one. So the version you're asking for would have 36 chasm lines...) I mean, it'll probably wait till after I've done the basic (1 chasm line) and all-but-not-all set (the ones going up on my Tumblr in the side-by-sides.) But I'll get around to it. If only so I can see the even more insane Aon Reo. haha Edited April 19, 2014 by Veil 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veil Posted April 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Part Three! I and K Aons. (Took longer than I wanted because of Aon Iad. Domi, but I hate Iad. Five tries to get the Aons at the right angles because it's juuuuust a tad over 90 degrees between each pair.) Anyway. Blah blah Tumblr for extras blah. This set includes the two Aons with two prime candidates (Ire and Kii) so both potential new Aons are included. Iad: Ial: Ido: Ien: Ire: Kae: Kai: Kii: 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veil Posted April 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Back with more! Including Aon Reo! (Not the crazy one yet, but you can see the slightly-less-crazy version on Tumblr.) Mai: Mea: Nae: Omi: Opa: Rao: Reo: (Double sized because it's so insane.) Rii: Only seven more to go! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsworn Panda Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) Good job, Veil! keep going Now this is sounding like some pronunciation class for a foreign language. Nice Challenge Accepted picture usage, btw. Edited May 1, 2014 by Lightsworn Panda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyht Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) This is awesome work! And thanks for the quote of Raoden putting in one extra line when he first figured out the problem. I had been trying to figure out why it worked that he only put in one line at the end when he fixed the city's Aon. But I can get behind needing only one chasm line on the first base set of lines. But, here is my question. Why are Brandon's drawings different than the map from the book? When I went through the book this last time, I imagined the changed Aon to look like this: [EDIT] That is what I get for not checking for other threads. Here is a whole discussion. http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/7123-where-exactly-is-the-chasm-line/ Edited May 1, 2014 by lyht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spook the Mistborn Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Hey, I'm new to Brandon Sanderson and have just finished reading Elantris (late to the party I know). After finishing I also realised that the line Raoden drew in Kae does not match the map of where the chasm actually is. Is it definitely confirmed now that Brandon described it wrong and it should be underneath the square shape south of Elantris? Did Brandon want the chasm line in Kae but the guy who drew the map got it wrong or did Brandon describe it wrong and should he have gone with the map instead? Sorry if this problem has already been fully cleared up, I just need to get my head around this inconsistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skaa Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Hey, I'm new to Brandon Sanderson and have just finished reading Elantris (late to the party I know). After finishing I also realised that the line Raoden drew in Kae does not match the map of where the chasm actually is. Is it definitely confirmed now that Brandon described it wrong and it should be underneath the square shape south of Elantris? Did Brandon want the chasm line in Kae but the guy who drew the map got it wrong or did Brandon describe it wrong and should he have gone with the map instead? Sorry if this problem has already been fully cleared up, I just need to get my head around this inconsistency. We'll find out for sure when the new edition of Elantris arrives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 We'll find out for sure when the new edition of Elantris arrives. Lo and behold, the new edition of Elantris has arrived, and the chasm has indeed changed position - but it still doesn't match Brandon's drawing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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