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It's much easier if you kill them in Shadesmar.

Does that mean surgebinding belongs to another shard, or does it mean that spren and singers do? I think voidspren were definitely stolen and corrupted. However, I think that, given the evidence I've cited, surgebinding was developed by the humans under Odium's rule. There's just not much evidence it comes from Honor. Eyewitness testimony says otherwise.

Because humans didn't follow Honor until after they came to Roshar. They brought Surgebinding to Roshar along with Odium. As Syl told Kaladin: And as the Stormfather told Dalinar: And Raboniel recalled that the humans were fleeing from the results of Surgebinding: So if humans destroyed their former world with Surgebinding, they didn't get that power from Honor. And apparently the singers didn't have Surgebinding before then. Surgebinding came to Roshar with the humans. Honor added control to Surgebinding, not the power. Now, it's possible it didn't come directly from Odium. There's some hint that Ishar was experimenting with Surgebinding, and that he was a Bondsmith before the Oathpact, according to Syl:

Didn't humans destroy their original planet with surgebinding? That would suggest that it's more of Odium than Honor. That's why Adhesion is considered not to be a true surge by the Fused, because it wasn't one of the original ones. That said, in general I like the theory that Adolin's bond with Maya is something different. In some ways it seems like what Syl was asking Dalinar to make her bond like, as Adolin seems to be able to feel what Maya feels.

From what we can guess, things happened in this order: 1. Bo-Ado-Mishram was imprisoned 2. The singers became dull parshmen 3. The Radiants discovered the truth about where humans came from 4. Honor was pretty crazy at this point, and couldn't talk them down 5. Recreance 6. Deadeyes You can see why the first four might have led to the fifth, and that's what the Radiants conclude at the end of Oathbringer, but there was something else. Deadeyes did not exist before BAM's imprisonment, suggesting that she altered the bond, corrupting it in some way. My theory is that the old Radiants and their spren destroyed their bonds because they feared BAM's corruption of them. That also explains why their response was to destroy their bonds rather than release BAM, which seems like the obvious solution to guilt over lobotomizing the singers. But if the drive to destroy their bonds is their fear of BAM, then releasing BAM is the opposite of a solution. This leads me to wonder whether Maya would be on board with releasing BAM, like Kalak wants.

I'm wondering if the real battle in Book 5 will take place in Shadesmar. The contest of champions doesn't cover Shadesmar at all, and Odium now has the means to kill spren, and there are already lots of fused in Shadesmar.

I've seen Syl x Kaladin on this thread, but I consider that less of a weird ship than an OTP. We've already established that she can become more solid in the physical realm as Kaladin progresses in his Ideals, and if that's not enough, there's always Shadesmar. Also, I have a suspicion that it has happened before, and that's the true reason that the Natan people have bluish skin.