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For the other secret projects, at least, Hoid only tells the stories a few decades after the actual events transpired—so still in the same basic time frame. Now, it's possible that this case is different, but I think it's unlikely.

I feel like the first chapter was influenced by the beginning of Assassin's Apprentice, particularly the part about December sleeping with the dog, since Fitz also slept with dogs, instead sleeping of in a proper bed. This probably takes in the future of the Cosmere, like the other secret projects, since Hoid references modern medicine.

Could you elaborate? I'll admit that 1 is a bit more speculative, and 10 is a prediction for the back half (albeit one that's very likely), but the others I think are very much sound. For instance, Rayse is portrayed as false god (he even looks like the stereotypical depiction of God in western society) who tempts people into sin, just like the Devil, and Moash is very explicitly the anti-Kaladin. While I had issues with your critique, I never said that it was in bad faith. I reserved that judgement for @First of the Tide's post, because it was unnecessarily aggressive, which made it come off as trolling, rather than a genuine contribution to the discussion.

It's alright man; I wasn't offended.

I am willing to debate, it's just that I want people to engage with my post, instead of just dismissing outright.

If you look at @First of the Tide's post, as an example, they just dismissed my post in a very aggressive and sarcastic manner, without adding anything to the discussion. I made this post with the intent of fostering a discussion of, to what extent Kaladin is a Jesus figure, and what does this mean in relation to the rest of the SA. I am perfectly willing to accept criticism (even aggressive criticism), but I'd rather it be something more substantive than "ur wrong lol".

I'm sorry, but this does not come off as a post in good faith. You are just insinuating that I am cherry picking, without actually showing it. Again, if you have substantive criticisms of my argument, feel free to make them. But here, you're just saying "look, I can make bad faith arguments, so therefore you are wrong!"

There are several reasons why Hoid is very likely to be the fashion designer: 1) We know that this story will involve Hoid "being in a bad situation" 2) The word "fashion designer" would be anachronistic in a premodern medieval society, so anyone calling themselves that would be a more advanced outsider 3) We know from Tress that Hoid is into fashion 4) December's vision provides a loophole that allows Hoid to meet her while still saying "we did not speak again during her lifetime" because by "her lifetime" he's referring to her vision, and not her "second life" 5) It would be impossible for Hoid to get all this detail about her vision without actually meeting and talking to December 6) In Tress Hoid is a secondary character, so there's no reason why he can't be a secondary character in this story as well

That almost certainly refers to her first life, not her second life.

My point was more that there are other features to both which really distinguish them from one another, and a list of only similarities doesn't capture that. I used an exaggerated example to highlight that, and even if the details were integral to the character the three similarities fall pretty far short of "literally just". Hence my response, which seems like a fair answer to the question (and which you agree with, apparently). Honestly, I don't think that you are engaging with my post(s) in a substantive way. You're just criticizing the specific form in which I presented my argument, instead of criticizing the argument itself. If you have specific issues with my interpretation of the similarities between Kaladin and Jesus, or if you see substantial thematic differences between the two, then I welcome you to share them. But otherwise, I don't really see the point of this discussion.

I think that it's pretty clear that December is the prophet returned (whether literally or metaphorically), who was sent to save Mountaincrest from the plague, with her ability to see the future; and just like the original prophet, she's a healer. Or, at the very least, this is what we're supposed to think. Also, I think that the fashion designer mentioned in the book's description, has to be Hoid.

The difference between the two is that the similarities I point out are essential to Kaladin and his arc, while your comparisons are based un superficial characteristics (e.g. Kaladin could wear green, and it wouldn't change a thing). Obviously, Kaladin isn't identical to Jesus, but he is far more similar than other examples of savior archetypes, such as Harry Potter, or even Luke Skywalker. I don't necessarily claim that Brandon Sanderson explicitly based Kaladin off Jesus, but authorial intent does not actually matter in literary analysis. Kelsier isn't so much Jesus, as someone trying to be Jesus; the critical difference is that Kelsier intentionally martyrs himself for the selfish purposes, so that he will be worshipped as a god.

@Aliroz-The-Confused, I think a big problem with your argument(s) is that you make a lot of outlandish claims (e.g. Roshar is going to over Scadrial and genocide the local population) in a very confused and incoherent way, without adequately supporting said claims. For instance, when asked what's the essential difference between invading a different country on the same world, and invading a country on a different world, you basically said "they are different, because they are different", which is just begging the question. I do think that this has the potential to be a productive discussion, but it's held back by the way you're presenting your point of view. I would recommend for you to focus on the actual textual evidence, and on making your argument more logically rigorous. BTW, have you read Emberdark? It's very pertinent to this discussion, and I think that if you haven't read it, you should go read it.

Well... in ROW we see that Kaladin has a very large following, at least in Urithiru—people literally drew the shash glyphs on their foreheads as a sign of resistance during the occupation. And now, after WAT, where Kaladin literally becomes divine, we can expect his cult to become more explicitly religious in the back half.

1. He's the son of god (Tanavast). 2. He has supernatural powers. 3. He (metaphorically) dies and is reborn multiple times, but most notably, the scene where he's strung up before the highstorm is analogous to crucifixion 4. He dedicates his life to the spiritually pure purposes of healing and protecting the weak and needy. 5. He's an extremely effective, charismatic leader 6. He has a large and growing cult following among the lower classes. 7. He is seen as a threat by the powers that be 8. He's tempted by the devil (Odium), and the antichrist (Vyre). 9. At the end of WAT, he becomes a demigod and ascends directly to heaven (spiritual Alaswha). 10. Finally, in the back half, he will descend from the heavens to free Roshar from the beasts' tyranny in the final battle. Am I missing something, or is Kaladin basically just Jesus?