Myst

24 minutes ago, The White Drake said:

Not sure you quite get the mind-boggling distance you're proposing to cross... it's around 3,125,000,000 times more than our entire planet. Even if Elantris would have let Raoden cross the entire world with a single Aon, and Elantris is a single square mile, you would need a boosting Aon like Elantris over eight hundred times the size of the US, and that's just to reach the nearest star. That's fifteen times the surface area of the earth, using the most generous calculations.

I did not.

Now in an attempt to save my Ill-thought idea:

distance shouldn’t matter?

Because Aon Tia, and oath gates use the spiritual realm, distance shouldn’t be a problem. The same investiture should be needed to go one mile as 10 miles

5 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

There may be huge issues with planetary orbits and solar systems moving, it would be nearly impossible to use Tia with that much accuracy imo without some crazy computers or real time data.

Actually no, it’s all perception based. Because of the curvature of planets, when Raoden pointed his Aon Tia, it wasn’t actually pointed at it. As long as the person triggering the Aon has the right perspective and general direction you should be fine.

6 minutes ago, The White Drake said:

The accuracy would be the lesser problem- the amount of Investiture to travel that distance in the Physical realm would be ridiculous. A city-sized amplifier let Raoden cross a sea, but to teleport across lightyears you'd need an amplifier Aon the size of a planet.

we don’t know if that’s the limit though. We know it could get to that, but we never saw anything to suggest that he couldn’t go further. We don’t actually know the limit of what Elantris would’ve let him go.

So yes, it would be a lot, but not as much as we might think. Also, that’s just infrastructure, once you have it you’re good forever 

5 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Spaceships are probably a good use of this. Large enough size for the enhancement Aon, then hundreds of Aon Daa for bombarding opponents or planets.

Technically…

You don’t have to be “there”

Using the aforementioned teleport plates, you could theoretically teleport a massively enhanced Daa Aon anywhere in the Cosmere as long as you had enough investiture.

Congrats, we’ve just made remote, instantaneous, ftl(as it uses the spiritual realm where space doesn’t exist), nukes that can be as big or as small as we want. The only limitation being our knowledge of Aons, knowing where to strike, and access to investiture.

1 hour ago, Stardust said:

YES YES YES

I was literally thinking of this today, like “that would be so much fun to do”. 
I definitely want to do this! 
Put me in as Kaladin!!! 

I hope I don’t have to roast you, that’d be rough. I like Kaladin. 

43 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

We know with a high degree of certainty that one of the pseudo-elims is a meta-elim. You and xino are the only two left that haven’t flipped as meta-village. Hence, either you or xino (or in a slim possibility, both) is a meta-elim. TJ thinks that meta-elim xino would brake the balance of the pseudogame too much, by allowing them to quickly have 2 coinshots. I don’t find that argument as compelling as he makes it out to be, but I do find it rather suspicious that Qian ruled you out from being a meta-elim back during metacycle 5, before we had put any pressure on him.

If you want to direct us to any of your posts that you think make you look village, I’m happy to reconsider. I would normally say something about arguing for why xino is more suspicious, but he really just hasn’t posted enough to give anyone a read IMO.

The lack of a NK seems to be due to inactive elims (which unfortunately doesn’t help distinguish between you and xino). In theory there should also be a convert, and converting an inactive player seems like an iffy strategy, so inactivity doesn’t really explain everything. Could have easily just been a miscommunication about who was supposed to send in the action or something.

Technically Hoid could be M!elim, but only if he was converted 

21 hours ago, Frustration said:

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It's not that the power originated with Honor, but that it comes from him. As I understood WaT, especially Nale's discussions about the human fused, Honor detested the idea, and made new bodies for the Heralds out of his own power, which they could access via their bond, but which nonetheless did not come from them directly.

And Savantism is just investiture changing your spiritweb.

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21 hours ago, Frustration said:

There was nothing wrong with the yoki-hijo and that's what I would have preferred. If Brandon didn't want them to go back to that he should have set up an alternative earlier in the book rather than just making up dramas out of nowhere.

The entire book was about Yumi bending the rules of the Yoki-Hijo and learning to live for herself. If they went back to using Yoki-Hijo that means nothing changed. It means that the message is basically that it’s alright because it’s no longer Yumi doing it. That doesn’t seem in line with the book.

Yes, the dramas seem a little forced, but the only other art we’ve seen in the book was that and the nightmare painters. So it was that or introduce something on the spot, which would’ve been more jarring. 
 

21 hours ago, Frustration said:

By that logic they should have been able to resist the Father Machine

Eventually yeah, I think they could. But they need time for that. It was an eventually thing. I don’t expect for that to happen for another couple eons(? That’s the right term for a thousand years right?)

18 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Oh well lucky you then

I was not so fortunate

Idk about you but to me it seems like Striker chose who he gave his investiture to really well.

If Star’s Elim then he managed to rip off 3 different meta Elims with the exact same deal

speaking of which, after this over you’re gonna have to tell me how you and Ver didn’t talk and find out what Striker was doing 

Just now, coco.pudding said:

Why ever not?

He upheld his part of the deal

55 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

So you’re saying I wasn’t good at being upset with you for your investiture gambit? Rude. 

I just wasn’t upset.

37 minutes ago, ChipsAHoid said:

“so....

Meth”

-@CoderDrag0n8

Hey Coder….

Have something to share with the class?

17 minutes ago, Returned said:

The way this is phrased makes me wonder: did they learn anything? The Yumi-style Yoki-hijo were as controlled and mechanized as their society could manage, and everything about their upbringing and training was meant to strip away their individuality. They did nothing but their work, not even maintain themselves by eating, dressing, or bathing. The maximum standard of living in their society was limited largely by how quickly they could move from settlement to settlement and how reliably they could attract spirits.

Not long after the Yoki-hijo started moving away from that lifestyle (with the implication that people would have to get by with fewer spirit-bound goods), the scholars came along with their machine and promised a more productive and efficient method of getting good-enough goods. If I remember correctly, there was some kind of minor hiccup when it was activated but the survivors eventually experienced a much, much higher standard of living than anyone before.

Now they have the hion lines for as long as they can impress spirits with television, and as long as they can impress enough they'll have functionally unlimited energy. Since they were making the shows anyways it might as well be free energy, too. But if they start losing the spirits' interest, will people accept their standard of living dropping? Will their television shows focus on artistry, getting the viewers they can, or are they headed for a future of formulaic, template-driven, mechanically produced Love Island clones? I think that the implication is the former, since Virtuosity's influence reigns there, but might their people not be attracted to another machine that maximizes what they can have? Maybe we'll see the planet again, in the future, dominated by the Father Machine, Jr.

I’d like to think that, at some point, the spirits would start to have a taste in art.

Which by itself is an interesting concept. Think records about each spirit and their likes and dislikes, and so you have to make something tailored to each spirit, but it can’t just be the same thing, because they’ll get bored. It’s not interesting. But you can also get away with a piece of art they dislike, if you do it well.

And so suddenly the people who are celebrated, are the people who can satisfy a spirit with a work of art they don’t normally like, simply because it’s done well enough. Or something like that.

Id like to think that the spirits will get more like Spren and more individualistic, and that should change things and keep everything from becoming generic mass produced slop that, through virtue of the memory of a piece long past, qualifies as art.

edit: also, “minor hiccup”?

2 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

That's like, amateurishly foolish. (No offense) You should see how much I trusted Doc in QF78. I'm the professional at being foolish.

I watched that you know. From the dead doc. And I was cheering for him the entire time 

4 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

I'm just saying that you were smart, but got unlucky. Your reasoning was sound, but it really did make you look like a meta elim. (even though I knew otherwise)

Do I need to point out again that both my premises have been proven wrong?

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16 minutes ago, Frustration said:

Even then it still required rock stacking, more of an artificial Yoki-hijo than another method. Assuming that they could use the Hion lines to make a new machine I'd accept if it was another rock stacker. Dramas felt like a cop-out.

To me that would’ve felt like they hadn’t learned anything. To use another machine just sounds like they didn’t learn anything from what just happened with the shroud and everything. But to use a person that would just go back to being a Yoki-hijo, and that also goes back on the entire book. It had to be something other than stacking rocks

5 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

That's smart. If only you weren't a coinshot that killed a pseudoelim cycle one...

What’s that mean?

I’ll have you know my reasoning for Xino was sound(I’ll share specifics— wait, I already revealed who was on Nalthis C1, I’m fine.)

53 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

I'm surprised so many people acquiesced. 

Idk about everyone else, but mine was contingent on him giving me investiture first(he had to give me investiture c1, and then we’d start giving each other investiture c2 onwards)

So that’s y’all’s fault

2 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

Someone's trying to get this thread back on track. I can't have that...

It's weird, I expected more Selish. It's a very powerful and useful protection.

Lol

well, as you know, Striker made deals with everyone about trading investiture 

Just now, Hoid Slayer said:

I stayed on Nalthis the entire game I just never spoke after the first time

That reminds me, C2 is probably important as well:

Mippo, Myst, Star, Striker, Coco, Araris and Hoid.

Araris claimed later, and Hoid also was stalking and didn’t claim in doc

4 hours ago, |TJ| said:

Could I have the list of the 8 C1 Nalthians. 

C1 was:

Ver, Myst, Striker, Coco, Star, Mippo, Twin, Hoid, and Araris

(there could be more people who didn’t claim in doc. Like Araris)

3 hours ago, Qianweilian said:

Was Nalthis just a party this game?

Yes

38 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

Could you tell us your Shardworld locations? 

And if someone could corroborate Star's location in the final pseudo-cycle, it would be very helpful. 

All I know is that she was on Nalthis the for the first two cycles

3 hours ago, Qianweilian said:

Yeah, and what would you have done when you found out that Verdance made me a coinshot? Actually, because the GMs couldn't find a pinch hitter, they allowed me to submit Verdance's action.

Also, I got a GM PM message meant for you, funnily enough. I thought Verdance had made me a coinshot, but it turns out it was meant for you. The GMs only realized/told me after Verdance died, but luckily, the GMs let us retcon the previous cycle's actions, having me instead submit the kill and Verdance making me a coinshot, as I certainly would've acted differently with correct information, and it made no difference to anyone other than me.

It’s like that one time Striker gave me the information that there was an illusionist on accident(in his game)

30 minutes ago, Cephandrious Maxtori said:

It is not the Voluptuous Voidbringer Ishi

Nor is it him

Not the splendid Sylphrena

or the adorable Adolin

SHALLAN! SHALLAN! SHALLAN!

but alas, it is not her

1. This character is first mentioned in The Way of Kings

2. This character is highly invested

Vasher

edit: wait, I’m thinking of WoR, My guess is the Stormfather

6 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

I had a pm with both of them!

Highly doubt that. Unless it was just for purposes of “having” the PM. 

7 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

But neither of them said much…most of the information I got about Lettuce was from TJ…very naughty of him, sharing so much

You see, but in our PM you said you got that from Lettuce, and so the fact that you lied(either to me earlier or just now) suggests that Lettuce is elim

8 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

I had PMs with everyone but people stopped talking to me when they decided I was elim, which was very rude 

I was kinda dead before we started thinking you were elim, so… not sure what you want

16 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

I mean, I am clearly the best choice for a last-minute elim conversion , but we should definitely determine between xino and Lettuce here before hunting the convert. In a large part because if the elims know who we are considering as a likely convert, they can factor that into their NK.

Did anyone have PMs with xino or Lettuce? Right now all we really have to work with is mechanical, since neither of them has posted anything of substance the whole game. Neither of them claimed to be in any of my shardworld docs.

I had one with both.

More importantly, Coco claimed to have one with Lettuce, and got quite a lot of info from lettuce somehow.

2 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Araris Valerian

I’m gonna need a bit more than that, do you think they got converted?

“I very much do not trust that the shard, particularly the se subforum, does not have the ability to determine the name of my firstborn child from some offhand comment”

@Qianweilian