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    Thoughts on Yumi and the Nightmare Painter (Spoilers)

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    21 hours ago, Frustration said:

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    It's not that the power originated with Honor, but that it comes from him. As I understood WaT, especially Nale's discussions about the human fused, Honor detested the idea, and made new bodies for the Heralds out of his own power, which they could access via their bond, but which nonetheless did not come from them directly.

    And Savantism is just investiture changing your spiritweb.

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    Again, by that logic, Radiants aren’t invested because they draw their power from the spren(Honor), and their oaths(Honor)

    Yeah, but it doesn’t add investiture. It changes your spiritweb, but it doesn’t make you more invested. A Tineye savant is still a Tineye 

     

    21 hours ago, Frustration said:

    There was nothing wrong with the yoki-hijo and that's what I would have preferred. If Brandon didn't want them to go back to that he should have set up an alternative earlier in the book rather than just making up dramas out of nowhere.

    The entire book was about Yumi bending the rules of the Yoki-Hijo and learning to live for herself. If they went back to using Yoki-Hijo that means nothing changed. It means that the message is basically that it’s alright because it’s no longer Yumi doing it. That doesn’t seem in line with the book.

    Yes, the dramas seem a little forced, but the only other art we’ve seen in the book was that and the nightmare painters. So it was that or introduce something on the spot, which would’ve been more jarring. 
     

    21 hours ago, Frustration said:

    By that logic they should have been able to resist the Father Machine

    Eventually yeah, I think they could. But they need time for that. It was an eventually thing. I don’t expect for that to happen for another couple eons(? That’s the right term for a thousand years right?)

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    LG112 - Metacycle Eight: False Hope

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    18 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

    Oh well lucky you then

    I was not so fortunate

    Idk about you but to me it seems like Striker chose who he gave his investiture to really well.

    If Star’s Elim then he managed to rip off 3 different meta Elims with the exact same deal

    speaking of which, after this over you’re gonna have to tell me how you and Ver didn’t talk and find out what Striker was doing 

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    Thoughts on Yumi and the Nightmare Painter (Spoilers)

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    17 minutes ago, Returned said:

    The way this is phrased makes me wonder: did they learn anything? The Yumi-style Yoki-hijo were as controlled and mechanized as their society could manage, and everything about their upbringing and training was meant to strip away their individuality. They did nothing but their work, not even maintain themselves by eating, dressing, or bathing. The maximum standard of living in their society was limited largely by how quickly they could move from settlement to settlement and how reliably they could attract spirits.

    Not long after the Yoki-hijo started moving away from that lifestyle (with the implication that people would have to get by with fewer spirit-bound goods), the scholars came along with their machine and promised a more productive and efficient method of getting good-enough goods. If I remember correctly, there was some kind of minor hiccup when it was activated but the survivors eventually experienced a much, much higher standard of living than anyone before.

    Now they have the hion lines for as long as they can impress spirits with television, and as long as they can impress enough they'll have functionally unlimited energy. Since they were making the shows anyways it might as well be free energy, too. But if they start losing the spirits' interest, will people accept their standard of living dropping? Will their television shows focus on artistry, getting the viewers they can, or are they headed for a future of formulaic, template-driven, mechanically produced Love Island clones? I think that the implication is the former, since Virtuosity's influence reigns there, but might their people not be attracted to another machine that maximizes what they can have? Maybe we'll see the planet again, in the future, dominated by the Father Machine, Jr.

    I’d like to think that, at some point, the spirits would start to have a taste in art.

    Which by itself is an interesting concept. Think records about each spirit and their likes and dislikes, and so you have to make something tailored to each spirit, but it can’t just be the same thing, because they’ll get bored. It’s not interesting. But you can also get away with a piece of art they dislike, if you do it well.

    And so suddenly the people who are celebrated, are the people who can satisfy a spirit with a work of art they don’t normally like, simply because it’s done well enough. Or something like that.

    Id like to think that the spirits will get more like Spren and more individualistic, and that should change things and keep everything from becoming generic mass produced slop that, through virtue of the memory of a piece long past, qualifies as art.

    edit: also, “minor hiccup”?

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    Thoughts on Yumi and the Nightmare Painter (Spoilers)

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    8 minutes ago, Frustration said:

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    From the way Brandon answered the question(bringing up how it was before the radiants were formalized) seems to me to suggest that he’s saying that Yumi’s more powerful than the heralds before they broke their oaths.

    as for TLR, in my knowledge savantism doesn’t make you any more or less invested, it just alters your spiritweb. It’s not like Spook gained investiture when he was a tin savant.

    Also, the part about the herald’s borrowing Honor’s power to come back seems a little weird to me. Their entire power comes from Honor. It’s because of Him their oath had consequences, so if you use that to get around them not being invested, then I feel like you’re essentially saying that they’re not invested at all because it’s all Honor’s power.

    And even if it is just Honor’s power, Vin held the well’s power, which isn’t her power, its Preservations, and we consider her to be highly invested during that point. I don’t see why the heralds are different.

     

    16 minutes ago, Frustration said:

    Even then it still required rock stacking, more of an artificial Yoki-hijo than another method. Assuming that they could use the Hion lines to make a new machine I'd accept if it was another rock stacker. Dramas felt like a cop-out.

    To me that would’ve felt like they hadn’t learned anything. To use another machine just sounds like they didn’t learn anything from what just happened with the shroud and everything. But to use a person that would just go back to being a Yoki-hijo, and that also goes back on the entire book. It had to be something other than stacking rocks

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    LG112 - Metacycle Seven: And Another One

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    5 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

    That's smart. If only you weren't a coinshot that killed a pseudoelim cycle one...

    What’s that mean?

    I’ll have you know my reasoning for Xino was sound(I’ll share specifics— wait, I already revealed who was on Nalthis C1, I’m fine.)

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    Okay. So I assumed that because of M!Elim coordination, there’d be no reason for 2 meta Elims to be on the same shardworld. That meant there was one on Nalthis, but if I just crossed everyone there off I had a higher chance of hitting a M!elim.

    That meant my pool of people was reduced to:

    Qian, Coder, Hopper, TJ, Araris, Xino, Cad, Lettuce, Kit Kat, and Fallen.

    I then crossed off Lettuce and Kit Kat for newbie status. Then Cad, Hopper and Miss simply for not being online during C1(I was looking for M!elim coordination)

    that Left Qian, Coder, TJ, Araris and Xino.

    I crossed Qian off because of N0 indecision thing(I thought that a M!elim would’ve made their decision by then) and Coder because he was getting exed. That left Xino, TJ, and Araris.

    Id noticed Xino lurking a lot during N0 but he never said anything, and when I did some slight profile stalking I could tell he had been online and was viewing the thread. And then I had good vibes of TJ and Araris during C1, so I went for Xino

    *Note that Wahr’s slip was in the back of mind for this, as much as I tried to ignore it.

    **Also yes, both of my assumptions have been proven wrong. (coco and Ver both being on Nalthis, and Qian not making his decision till later.

     

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    LG112 - Metacycle Seven: And Another One

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    38 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

    Could you tell us your Shardworld locations? 

    And if someone could corroborate Star's location in the final pseudo-cycle, it would be very helpful. 

    All I know is that she was on Nalthis the for the first two cycles

    3 hours ago, Qianweilian said:

    Yeah, and what would you have done when you found out that Verdance made me a coinshot? Actually, because the GMs couldn't find a pinch hitter, they allowed me to submit Verdance's action.

    Also, I got a GM PM message meant for you, funnily enough. I thought Verdance had made me a coinshot, but it turns out it was meant for you. The GMs only realized/told me after Verdance died, but luckily, the GMs let us retcon the previous cycle's actions, having me instead submit the kill and Verdance making me a coinshot, as I certainly would've acted differently with correct information, and it made no difference to anyone other than me.

    It’s like that one time Striker gave me the information that there was an illusionist on accident(in his game)

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    Guess That Cosmere Character! Forum Edition!

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    30 minutes ago, Cephandrious Maxtori said:

    It is not the Voluptuous Voidbringer Ishi

    Nor is it him

    Not the splendid Sylphrena

    or the adorable Adolin

    SHALLAN! SHALLAN! SHALLAN!

    but alas, it is not her

    1. This character is first mentioned in The Way of Kings

    2. This character is highly invested

    Vasher

    edit: wait, I’m thinking of WoR, My guess is the Stormfather

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    LG112 - Metacycle Seven: And Another One

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    6 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

    I had a pm with both of them!

    Highly doubt that. Unless it was just for purposes of “having” the PM. 

    7 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

    But neither of them said much…most of the information I got about Lettuce was from TJ…very naughty of him, sharing so much

    You see, but in our PM you said you got that from Lettuce, and so the fact that you lied(either to me earlier or just now) suggests that Lettuce is elim

    8 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

    I had PMs with everyone but people stopped talking to me when they decided I was elim, which was very rude 

    I was kinda dead before we started thinking you were elim, so… not sure what you want

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    LG112 - Metacycle Seven: And Another One

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    16 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

    I mean, I am clearly the best choice for a last-minute elim conversion :P, but we should definitely determine between xino and Lettuce here before hunting the convert. In a large part because if the elims know who we are considering as a likely convert, they can factor that into their NK.

    Did anyone have PMs with xino or Lettuce? Right now all we really have to work with is mechanical, since neither of them has posted anything of substance the whole game. Neither of them claimed to be in any of my shardworld docs.

    I had one with both.

    More importantly, Coco claimed to have one with Lettuce, and got quite a lot of info from lettuce somehow.

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    LG112 - Metacycle Seven: And Another One

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    25 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

    It's not xino, actually, it's you, Myst.

    How’d you know?

    26 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

    I mean, it could be the comics.

    I know nothing about the comics. So it’d better be the movies

    28 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

    You're implying that coco isn't lying and isn't—in fact—the boss of the whole operation.

    Maybe thats cause I am

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