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Wait, for real? Then this is so much OP. Sure, not on a Supersaiyan kind of way but enough for our purpose. a super smart being with an (inter?) planetary communication device (even if it is not at full capacity at the moment) and a vast pool of knowledge for him to draw from? That is almost Asimovesque. The AI we fantasize about when we use the pathetic worthless parodies we have now. Hell with his "super powers", in this scenario Sazed is a deus ex machina enough. Yeah yeah, I didnt mean it would halt the explosion. I meant to do the same thing Wayne did, but not like an idiot. To my understanding his time is infinite. Especially if you have a proper coordinator in the form of god. The blind god is almost omnipotent. "Rudder"! Thats the word, not "fin". It isn't exposed? How would such a contraption work and steer water? From every documentary I have seen on shipbuilding- yes it is. But fine, lets assume it isn't and lets assume god does not know anything about shipbuilding and can't tell of any weak points of how to bend such rudder. (seriously? that is what i meant by saying god is supposed to be super smart with lots of knowledge but acts like a buffoon.) Ah, but wasn't it? Yes, the deadmans switch was wired for the control panel, but how does THE CONTROL PANEL knows what is going on? I suspect that even TODAY the controll panel can detect only the shaft to which the rudder is connected to. No one has thought of measuring if the metal plank is straight or not. With the 20's technology Sanderson describes in the book Im not sure it is even possible. if you bend the edges of this metal fin just slightly then it is enough for the ship to veer off in a compeletely different direction. But fine, we have already decided god is not a shipbuilder so he doesnt know how those things work. next. Yeah, you do have a point, I should have seen it myself. the slow time between the wires is like cutting them. A great tool (like for bank robberies and the like), but not for this specific problem. However... actually... you just gave me a new idea- why not create a bubble around the mechanism that TRIGGERS the bomb itself? But fine, i see how it could be dangerous, so lets leave it for the time being. Next. Uhhh... Sorry, English is not my native so I could be missing something here, but "Mind sharing"? What do you mean by that? Anyway as for the rest of the message- BUT THATS MY POINT!!!!! The barrel themselves! Engulf them in a slow time bubble! like really really really slow time bubble. A Duralamin bubble! Let them explode! Youll have an explosion in a bottle. ( You know like those scientist that trapped light in a super frozen state some years back). Carry that bottle with you and do what you want with it (throw it into space, threaten the maelwish to release it, whatever.... Ahhh!, But that is what some of my strategies are about. 20mins until detonation. 1. Duralamin super push yourself to Elendel. 2. Bendalloy to move super fast. Ask god where are his servants\allies\anyone that can help. 19 mins. 3. Locate them and ask for reserves of metals including cadmuim and steel and anything the city can muster. 17 mins. Super push yourself and your resources (metals, grenades, kamikadze pulsers, anyone else willing to help (would be nice to have Wax around as well)) 16 mins. Put your plan into action. ( I have MANY plans, those that I mentioned are just the tip, and that is why I was so upset on how such a smart super being is being so stupid). Now, and this might be a point i missed- You tell me that for Marasi to speed up time she needs to burn cadmium all the time? Hmm... So.... How did Duralamin helped Wayne in his retarded suicide? Like for him the time acted normal, while for everyone else it was one moment, right? So why would the inverse not work? Yes, for Wayne and the bomb it would be one moment but for everyone else it would be an eon. Sure, it is still a risky endeavor for Wayne and it would be better to use actually safe methods (which I thought of :)), but it is sure as hell a lot better than what HE did. Well, actually that wasn't me saying that, I was just conceding and willing to work withing this framework. My initial thought was- "He is GOD ! Simply magick it away, for Sazed sake"... Then the ideas started to flow in and I just gave myself to the river :)... 1. ? Several days? I kinda assumed the had several minutes after seeing how Wax has broken their defences. 2. hmmm... Like... if they did have several days then theoretically they could rig not only the stirring but also add sensors to their systems... but... would they? I mean to think that the enemy will discover them and decide to bend the rudder in order to make the ship steer off... And then actually do something about that? IDK,from my limited experience normal people just don't do those type of things. I do, but I'm not normal, and it takes much much much MUCH more than a few days to prepare for all eventualities. Try few years. They were hurrying, they had a very tight deadline... People, just don't work like that. It is far more likely that the simply attached the bomb to the stirring mechanism but left all other systems alone. But fine, I can to work in that framework as well. How about then, when Wayne comes back with the resources, he'll bring several ship mechanics along? That way, he and the other allomancers could pull the ship apart and let the mechanics dismantle any sensor and then stop the ship. All this under heavy cover of a duralamin shifter bubble of course. Not exactly,no. The version I offered here (I have several versions) is: 1. Wayne leaves the ship with a duralamin steel push and hits Elendel using the same logic as how Wax jumped off the tower and managed to land on the tiny spec (well, relatively speaking) that is the ship. If the ship is too far then wait until it comes closer. 2. Get stocks of metals, pulser grenades and a pulser, yes. 3. Returns to the ship with them 4. The pulser put a slow bubble around the bom- Ahhhhhhhhh... I see it now. The barrels have their electricity cut out and explode. Alright, that is okay, one of my other plans does something similar. How about this- Wayne puts a charge that is connected to a barrel of water. all the charges go at the same time and all the harmonium explode. all this is surrounded by a slow time bubble from multiple grenades? Wayne jumps off... As a safeguard i would have put a metal platform underneath the contraption (grenades and barrels) and duralmin push them into space after he harmonium is being exploded. Just in case if something goes wrong. (preferably if Wax is present to assist). Now that I think about it... Ummmm... Waxes sister is not very smart, is she... Why would the Set need to experiment Nazi Germany style on their faux rocket when they have MAGICK!!!!! Yeah, IRL, Scadrial is screwed. Good, that is what I would want to hear of Sazed and chatgpt. Well, and that is why I came here, to hear the flaws in my plans because I see so many possible solutions with EVERYONE being alive and hale. including Wayne. (or to hear condemnation towards Sanderson and his sloppy cobbling of the narrative, I guess that could be a consolation prize). I obviously searched my question in google first and this approach was debunked in quite a few threads here and on reddit. I dont recall the entire discussion but tl;dr such an explosion would disintegrate the metal minds. Harmonium+Trellium is modern mega atomic bomb, but harmonium alone is like an early atomic bomb. Or that was my understanding from those discussions.

Fisrt of all WOW, it is so nice to have a response from a human being on this topic, I'm so tired of chatgpt agreeing with me and not counteracting my arguments. Second of all, you actually raise a good point (even though I'm still right and hopefully will prove my point)- God is blind. Okay... Still. Even if Sazed didn't see that particular ship at this particular moment surely he knew how steam ships operate. It is not a new technology and he had at least several years to know where generally are engine rooms. Hell, you know what? forget the engine,like you said the ship has a momentum (and while it is indeed a point I missed- I doubt the momentum is THAT strong for the ship to keep sailing forward much despite its engines not working. Its not space... nevertheless, lets assume I'm wrong)... So God is so oblivious to shipping technology that he doesn't know how such a vessel steers itself? Like a fin or the direction of a turbine? He cant tell wax to increase its weight (or were his metalminds empty? I don't remember) and push the ship from down below? He cant tell Wayne to make duralamin steel push to the nearest platform where Wayne will get steel from the natives or from the Kandras whom god will direct to Wayne? (Hell, if he can talk to Wayne then he probably can talk with the autistic broad and heave this mission on her shoulders. No?) Then Wayne makes duralamin super push from the shore and steer the ship just a little bit. Not holding it back, I get it 1 in a 100, but gently change the trajectory of the ship by a few degrees. (Throwing Wax off was stupid as well since he could make things much easier by being in comunication with god and giving Wayne feedback about his efforts...) Those are just things that come of the top of my mind, WITHOUT knowing that world on a native level like Sazed or The heroic duo would have... there are tons of other soultions I can think of. As for the Cadmium- increase the size of the bubble? what? Wasn't even thinkning about it. No need to engulf the THE SHIP! The electricity! All you need to do is to super charge your tiny pulser bubble to slow down the electric flow between the bombs and cut the wires. If that is dangerous (some convoluted dead mans switch against pulsers which I doubt Sanderson meant or thought of) and you have to put Wayne in danger then engulf the whole bomb and let the ship hit the shore. Then you have a billion years to try to think of a solution while wayne and the bomb are frozen in stasis. Maybe god will heal by then and think of something. Maybe you can throw a pulser grenade (or several) and pull wayne out of the buble. Maybe you can have your own atomic bomb to threaten your enemies. Maybe... whatever. Just buy time. Either the donkey will be dead, the sultan could be dead or I will have died! So why worry? So gods advices are also actions? Okay,he is conflicted and cant act. He cant even use his intelligence. Fine, i accept it. Then I guess Wax or Wayne should have thought of this by themselves, it is so simple! Also, actually... then how he could converse with Wayne about... well anything including the vials? Isnt a deadmans switch is just about disconnecting the device from the electric current? How would changing the direction activate it? Its not like they had GPS technology or even a flywheel. Considering how hastily they had prepared the rig, would they have the time for something so convoluted? Hell, you know what? Lets say the deadmans switch is that sophisticated. Then why not jumping to the city, take a couple of grenades (or a shahid pulser) and do the same thing wayne did throw water on the bomb and jump away (if possible with the rope you tied to the kamikadze beforehand so he will have a second mission ).

Isn't God supposed to be like super smart or something? Its not that Waynes death could have been avoided its that you need to work really hard for Wayne to DIE!!! Bendalloy? Lerasium? Allow me to introduce the alomantic powers of a "wrench in the engine room". Or a knife in the fuel line... Or moving the ship so it will keep sailing until a cadmium reserve could be reached and transported. Or the myriad other solutions that are out there which are much more abundant than the solution where Wayne is dying. Its like 99 course of actions Wayne survives and 1 he dies and God has told him to take the only one that involves suicide.