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I'm surprised so many people acquiesced.

Someone's trying to get this thread back on track. I can't have that... It's weird, I expected more Selish. It's a very powerful and useful protection.

I mean, canonically we're just banned. Maybe we made alt accounts.

What, you don't like me taunting you? There's also the fact that a lot of GMs give spoilers in the dead doc, which might be a better reason.

It's Yolen. It gives you the ability to summon dragons, which look cool, but don't actually do anything.

No. Was Nalthis just a party this game? Afaik both players being on Sel, or even taking actions without a target, is irrelevant to both Sel's protection and investiture requirements. I'll tell you when the game ends. Good question. (I'll tell you when the game ends)

Yeah, and what would you have done when you found out that Verdance made me a coinshot? Actually, because the GMs couldn't find a pinch hitter, they allowed me to submit Verdance's action. Also, I got a GM PM message meant for you, funnily enough. I thought Verdance had made me a coinshot, but it turns out it was meant for you. The GMs only realized/told me after Verdance died, but luckily, the GMs let us retcon the previous cycle's actions, having me instead submit the kill and Verdance making me a coinshot, as I certainly would've acted differently with correct information, and it made no difference to anyone other than me.

Ah, well you can't expect to get bailed out of certain defeat before the eliminators every game, can you? Made TJ an easy to decide nk. As soon as he revealed he was pseudo IM, boom. Dead. TJ, if you're reading this, know you were killed pretty much entirely because you were far too dangerous to the elim team. I mean, some people really do like to PM and chat with everyone. Coco might be one of them. I only had PMs with you, Myst, Striker, and Xino. Pretty much all of those fell silent after the first couple cycles. I wonder what the lore is around me still being able to post. Maybe I made an alt account, but still got locked out of the Shard's infrastructure?

Tbh I don't know much either. Myst is dead in the metagame and the (now defunct) pseudogame. As much as it would be funny to say someone alive is a meta elim, regardless of whether I was lying or not, I very much do not trust that the shard, particularly the se subforum, does not have the ability to determine the name of my firstborn child from some offhand comment. Edit: Despite the fact that I do not have any children, some people just might be able to figure out what I would name them if I do ever have any.

Admittedly I feel like it would be obvious I already submitted the conversion with the hydra quote. It's not xino, actually, it's you, Myst. TUM put several coinshots in the game and let several people make even more. I remember him saying somewhere that the pseudogame should end before the meta game. Now, I realize why. perhaps I mean, it could be the comics. You're implying that coco isn't lying and isn't—in fact—the boss of the whole operation. Stan Lee lynching some kid is certainly a interesting thing to imagine.

No, but "Cut off one head, one more shall take its place" doesn't have the same ring to it.

"Cut off one head, two more shall take its place"

Silly ninjas

No, hah, I'm telling the truth. I did get confused. So did you, as you had to change meta to pseudo in your message. "I didn't think it would end this way." "End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path, one that we all must take. The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all turns to silver glass, and then you see it." "What? Gandalf? See what?" "White shores, and beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise." "Well, that isn't so bad." "No. No, it isn't."

I...uh...didn't realize that actually. The pseudogame/meta game is messing me up. Oh, sorry I didn't get that. Do you want me to go back and edit it now?

Why would the elims have given me investiture? I assume because I was still alive in the pseudogame, along with Divergent, mippo, and Araris, who also don't have revealed pseudoroles. A dead elim murderer girl... Actually, wait, no, not murderer, you just banned people from the shard. Even worse! Three other elims would pretty much be an loss right? Would it even be possible to win with that ratio? I doubt the mentioned names will be helpful, as they're probably just random. No idea if she's lying or (partially) telling the truth and appearing to be lying. Probably does tell us that the elims have used their conversion, which we already guessed, but nice to have (mostly) confirmed.

I tried, but the GMs confirmed to me that pretty much all actions, except for one I forgot, required investiture to actualize, and the defense against actions applied to even those also on Sel.

The reason I first went to Sel is because I picked it at random, because I was panicked after forgetting when rollover was. Wahr proved this be telling us that I hadn't submitted a shardworld until a couple hours before rollover. Wahr edited his message so you can't see it, but it's in the quote I made of it. I decided to stay at Sel after cycle one revealed a coinshot had killed another coinshot. As I haven't played a game with coinshots before, I was scared of being night killed. This was exacerbated when Hoid revealed I would have been targeted by the pseudo elims had I not been on Sel. It seemed prudent. I also wouldn't have been able to get investiture to kill Star, as Sel prohibited me from using the action of my role as a shard to get investiture, and stopped someone from giving me investiture as well. I will mention I did make clear my suspicion of Coco. That was such a fun game. It was my first, and Doc totally blindsided me, but it was fun.

I don't think the lack of a pinch hitter is indicative of anything; Verdance asked for one a week ago and never got one. I just think the GMs are replacing people as pinch hitters become available.

I would like to point out that I was the first to vote for Lettuce, and I adequately explained my point. I, for one, am suspicious of @Divergent among the lettuce voters. switched from mippo to lettuce really soon before rollover, and, if I were elim (which I'm not of course), I would have no guarantee that lettuce would've been exed. (Especially so early in the morning for me) I doubt anyone will unfortunately, as the elims killed TJ pretty soon after he revealed he was pseudo IM. If there is another one, they're probably elim. So, yes, I agree. However, I would avoid using "conversion" to mean pseudo GM action as we have an actual conversion in play. For the mole, I doubt it was Star, for obvious reasons, TJ, because you're hard cleared, or Xino, as he's not really been active. That leaves Slayerman and Lettuce. Of those two, I'd lean towards Hoid being the mole. I agree Coco is evil. Honestly, I might lean towards 3 elims left. The pseudogame had the issue of coinshots opening the possibility of an extremely quick end (and probably at least one melim was a coinshot). Assuming TUM predicted that, I think an extra pseudoelim is reasonable. So, I would like to think we have hope. This, combined with the conversion, would put us at 8-4, which is a much better matchup. (although still not great) I mean, that could be true ig. I'm not supposed jazzed about it either though. Probably, at least, worth exeing Hoid or coco first though.

Sorry Lettuce. I guess I was wrong. I don't really love Divergent's switch from mippo to lettuce two hours before rollover though.

Okay, so I've taken another look through the threads and I'm beginning to agree with the sentiment that the elims bet on the pelims. If that's the case, then we should probably attempt to end the pseudogame fairly quickly, to avoid the possibility of an melim coinshot (which they probably have given Verdance's role) wearing down the village and potentially pushing the pseudogame too close for comfort. To that end, Lettuce.

Why were we exeing the pseudo elims again? I never totally got the logic behind that.

Tbf, I doubt the GMs expected the pseudoGMs to hand out steel allomancy like candy.

Okay, so the pseudo game probably has ~8 villagers and ~1 elim (although I could see 2 elims). So that probably means the pseudogame is going to end at most four cycles from now. I agree with Araris that we should try to exe meta elims now (tbf we always should here). To that end, I think Verdance is the best choice.