neil the beguiled

war is a dark and lonely path, and yet i march on

[FONT=Comic Sans MS] why does this feel like a funeral and not an eod [/FONT] edit i feel deeply embarressed by this mistake >///>

maybe a little bit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ah. we better not mss then. i think my vote is probably stance enough at the moment. i kind of think that csh promoting suspicion onto wiz right now is decent look (as opposed to just forcing a ararisvote...?) but that was... a while ago and then ive not seen much more from it. do you think an eliminator would try and gun for the opposing wagon or instead try and start a new one...? but then theres nota lot of... oomph for it right now...? i think if cash flips w i think id actually look at wiz next for a distancing ploy. araris right now i think is a better bet. if nothing else, i like the wagon members more overall than cashes (sorry kas), but also thinking the wagon is pure doesnt bode well ever... i just think cash is a shruglunch over arasis at the moment

i promise if we miselim a villager then i will take the guilt from you. but if we eliminate an eliminator we shall ride towards victory!

i think if that was the team id need to take a break from mafia for at least a month

@ Araris noted, though id have to revisit that personally. what did you make of coffeecat's earlier push against aman this cycle ? also aman no rand ;_; rand killed my ganrmother (this is a joke)

hmm noted. youre reminding me i didnt get a look over the no voters from c1 either (;_; every day i make myself silly little to do lists and dont follow them) why do you think coffee is aligned with cash atm?

mmmm. cash has a vote off wagon atm while araris is going for self pres atm. @Winnie the Pookla if you got a cash flip rn (of any alignment) where would you look next? where do you go if cash flips w? or t/sk?

wait why is this the case? if anything araris i feel has had more prominent discussion and input to look back on? meanwhile cash feels more like a shrug atm

the shard hates me for my sillyguy emoji span

i asked them because i saw that they had posted recently/were somewhat active then. fwiw my opinion does tend to be that ties should... not happen if preventable. idt it needs to be said that the main two wagons i disagreed with, but even if i didnt, imo a clear vote gives better info (especially if there is a redflip tbh) sidenote: for ur readslist i can assume theyre tl/null/sl respectively, with more of a keenness to vote in the bottom tier and... yeah thats roughly where id place things myself too ;_; which hooopefully means easy game ez life?

i was gonna sleep but i wantedto get this thought out but the one thing that i keep kinda revolving around wrt aeoryi is the uncanny progression with sheeping shees been doing. i nmoted it first with her response and play around JVN after kas talked about him c1, but also devo as well c2 here. the thing about sheeping is that its an easy way to not take credit for an elimination, miselim or otherwise, which looks worse in the context of a voted town, but if aeoryi sheeped onto an elim it'd be a better look for her because of that lack of cred grab? which then brings my thoughts back to aeoryi's self vote eoc1, which... i dunno, gambits aside its probably more v!indicative of anything else, unless you would specificallyu know to have elim teammates to make sure you dont go over? but i struggle to see aeoryi teamed with quite a few ppl (kas,devo,wiz all come to mind tho im sure im mmissing a few others) which is kind of all to say i think aeryi is probably town after i work myself through all of it, even if i do think theres some suspect behaviour its relatively nai in consideration?

first of these posts i thought the introspectiveness of it was kinda towny and the indigniance in the second is as well. mild wording thing but the (italizicsed but specifically) bolded line feels very natural as well to think from a villager. i must have misremembered wiz getting more but both coffee and cash voted there initially c2 edit: yeah i think ararsis themself did, and i may have as well buit tyhe posts are bledning together. edit2: holy typos batman i need a nap.

xD, on MU my user is neil the eel (and my icon is also an eel). sandile is one of my other icon choices because the neil comes from sandile misspelled as sad neil. here im neil the beguiled because i want to sound cooler than i am, and if you squint, beguile looks like it can rhyme with eel i rlly ought to get back into it (running) tbh no i did not! i chose those names bc i remembered tling TKN early but your commentary about not appearing much made me reconsider and id wanna work through a recency bias there to see if thats... well, well founded or not. and then wiz because there was an early surge onto them at cyclestart. feel frtee to share about ash and arasis as well, but wrt ash i think the best bet is waiting for NKA from them and i feel like ive talked about arasis enough earlier with kas so i wanted to look elsehwere for a bit sk motivations are probably a mix of: who isnt going to be targetted by elim nk And who is directly suspecting me the latter being less involved at the current moment (points at low info kills). and this is subject to change as the gamestate evolves but hm. i dont think an SK wants to shoot out an elim early though- their best bet is hoping an elim gets voted out. sk's probably have a better grasp on who the elims are anyways tbh (because theyre able to concretely root out who made what kill) (and vice versa for elims abt the sk kill). so.... i dunno i feel like an sk still wants to scumside for the first few cycles. but ur right its probs not best to focus on the sk even though i feel like its taken up a lot of thought and... yeah youre right that doesnt rlly feel feasable when theres so many ppl that are more nebulous and harder to get a grasp on. im ngl i thought i was a lot more active than i was (i noticed theres a top poster sidebar which is cool ^u^) but also like.,.. holy cow. :9 i think you could consider yourself both among the active and the strange xD

meh fair enough. never rlly been much of a baseball guy though. i liked running though. as much as anybody could like running, which is never in the moment and always after that.

you think i know about sports? (i played soccer xD which. uses subs ironically) edit: surprisingly, this eel has legs.

uhh towncoring is the proccess of building a towncore that you think has no wolves in it and voting outside of it- ie take the people you have strongest belief are town and work together through the rest. typically theres a goal of building enough town to "lock" the game (ie a towncore thats pure and large that you can comfortably vote outside it and risk miselims). its kinda like basic poe taken to the next level? ...pinchhit...? AH. RIGHT THANKS

....towncore anyone?

ah thats. thats fair ig, though i didnt really like it coming from... well, someone else who vote the same? especially saying that you would do that *as* killer. im glad you think i exude competance LMAO im feeling a lot more unsure of myself after jedi's flip. fwiw i'm like... nowhere near stick's level of gameplay. thats not to say that im bad at the game, but i get really tunneled into worldviews that make it hard for me to flip off of, and as wolf i get like. physically ill LOL. but self meta and all that. hmmm, im trying to compile a list of ppl who im considering atm or think are probably worth to see votes on; i think in general im fine keeping kas town, i think you're fine off the claim?, cookie i lt from their push there, and in general think aeoryi is probably okay...? i honestly think i could subscribe to sk!aeoryi but i dont get the feeling that shes an elim? devo up in the air, minimum dont think she killed raven of MO info, probs not main target today this leaves a batch of: wiz, bald, arasis, jnv, alpha, ash, cash do you want to talk to me about wiz and TKN? also wdym pinched?

i wouldnt deny that sk probs wants to be somewhat suspicious, but i dont think a sk wants to bait a nk like that for wincon reasoning. and if aman is e anyways sk probs wouldnt fire there anyways because the uninformed evil perspective is that elims will take care of claims and strong towns, while the sk would want to take the sort of... second option, so to say. the sk doesnt want to kill someone whos a top town or claimed role, because thats the mafia's goal. instead theyre more viable to pick off middling towns who are just above poe (early game) and then flirt with shooting in poe later game if they feel otherwise at risk. its a delicate game of scumsiding and townsiding for sk to acchieve victory and its not exactly easy. theyre not gonna wanna risk a maf shot because they need to scumside sooner, and scumsiding means they need kills, and they need mafia not to risk one on them. i could probably try and math this out a bit, but they probably dont start townsiding until just before a presumed cylo? which roughly means 2 more expected town kills minimum from a sk (but depending on how many mafia can be elimnated before then) also so sorry i love acronyms, feel free to ask me what i mean at any time (i dont bite^^) ik im also coming in with some like... newer or stranger ones bc im from out of site ;_; wrt= with regard(s) to nka = night kill analysis vca = vote count analysis edit: i recently played a game with a bpv (bulletproof vest) sk where she mainly went after those sort of middling town slots and also ate a nk attempt (she got spewed town LOL). which is where im getting this idea from fwiw. idk what to reason with low info kills in the mix but thats my 2cs at least

headinhands why did two people named raven have to die at once. i think id still remove aman tbh for the claim (i think sk is the last person who makes that claim) but i got confuddled there,,

sorry! 2cs= 2 cents , ie my own thoughts on the subject edit: side note, disagree wrt sk discussion as a general rule, but my basis of that tends to come from closed setups where theres no certainty there *is* a 3p where 3p discussions become more mafia indicative, but meh.

no worries. you dont hold the entire village on your back, atlas xD looking abck at ythat i think ive realized that i did not say words i intended at all. uhm, basically, if we're working with the concept of a more utr elim team, i think theres a decent chance that none of them were really wagons at eod? and working with a tl on aeoryi this kinda affirms that theory, and then UTR elim team + unflipped wagon + unflipped wagon + two other wagons flipping t = more likely the other wagons are t? (add looking at ash to my to do list today plz). i think this continges on my theory being correct though. #wagonomics i guess mmmm okay. this kinda feels a bit wifomy though to think about then... bleh its too early in the day for this. i dont know if i want to point out the fact idt an teamed/e!devo would probably want to not kill a low info person with an fos there though but. i unno, especially with the concept *of* low info kills. though i think quite a few ppl had sus there so this might be a moot point? wifom territory tbh. i do agree that i think raven was the sk!kill and jedi was the e!kill tbh (confbias my beloved) even though it probably doesnt mean much for us to discern in the long run. o7. im kinda getting to the point that i think your bleeding emotion is like. evidence enough that you didnt. kill raven LOL. for lack of better reasoning. just like, mild stuff to re-affirm my tr here. a lot of times i think mafia end up being more performative with it but you just feel.... aching? and noted o7 will look forward to it LOL. okay ill uhm. ill keep that in mind then. i def get that (me @ stick tbh xD[tho idt ive ever played with e!stick acc. only e!stake : P]) kinda in regard to above and the edit after but if you think theres somewhere better for me to look today, ill bite and take it, but as it stands atm; asaris is in my willing to exe pile (but i will admit i should probably be looking more at my nulls then- acc.) yeah no thats. fair. thats kinda what i wanted to do there anyways, but i dont get why you opt to shade me for it at the start of c2? can i have a readslist from you maybe? or a general wolrdview ig my 2cs here is that this probably isnt a thing to get caught up on c2. either aman is killed for FPS, killed for telling the truth, or doesnt die. its probably not worth the cycle to focus on him as a vote target. fwiw i think of either evil that SK is the least likely option (why would sk, who wins when everyone else is dead, want to bait a elim kill on them when they want elims to kill off people too? thatd be a -ev play) question, wrt the early sus on arasis here today (actually, 2 questions) 1, do you think that the suspicion on him holds no merit and why do you think its negligible? 2, say you Know arasis flips t right now. where are you looking at immediately? ill kinda defer to you wrt this, amans not on my vote list 2day for it regardless. agree its a good look from coffee tho i do not have a lot of time and i hate VCA i might be forever xD. do it whenever and we can compare notes ^^ im not sure i follow your entire progression here but i can probably agree theyre probs not e/e? a bit shakier reasoning than i tend to go for (#wagonomics) (oh who am i kidding my not w/w reads are based off aimless fuddle anyways) but i understand this from you yeah i mean. this sorty of reasoning is why its just. not the play to vote you here. i think its better to just... not talk abt it but generally agree to give you a c2 pass. though id still put e!aman over sk!aman purely bc theres an abundance of plays you can push with this sort of thing as e and less as sk, and as sk youre not even... incentivised rlly to play this way. noted and seconded (though with a lot less knowledge of coffee themself : P)(side note is there a way i can disable smilies :[ i like my silly emoticons and i dont like spaces). i in general think that sort of push seems more rooted in villager paranoia and responsiveness than an elim pushing for a miselim- especialy from coffee taking a step back and wanting aman to give a response before an expressed desire to vote #self meta, love to hear it hate to trust it. i think its still a fair shout to let her give her 2cs even if you may disagree. meh edit: saw pool of <Wiz, TKN, Labyrinth/Alpha, Coffee, Neil, Aman, Ash, Cash>. i think ill take aman/coffee out for today's vote personally to focus on ash/cash/wiz/tkn o7 (and ill make sure i look over neil too for you, im kinda familiar with his meta

ah alright. good luck with that ^^ glad to chat whenever i do have the time... sigh. wrt ash and nka its kinda just frustrating to think i cant rlly do much there ig? i like doing nka and finding results off of it but im just... kinda limited here in what i can do by not knowing the standards or metas here ig? ok fr goodbye ill probs catch up in an hour or 2