neil the beguiled

i restarted my computer and all my quouted posts died. bleh. i think after looking over the first raven anyways that im not.. sure what even i can get from that (esp since the idea of low volume kills isnt something im familiar with.) i guess that'll have to be acquiesced to ash then. theres a few things i'll respond to after i think (and also sorry kas if you thought i was pressuring you for anything ^^, i tend to... orbit around and rubber duck to my trs but it becomes kinda stifling sometimes i think) theres a few posts i wanna respond to tho so ill sniff back there when i have time o7

ive decided to keep this in the post editor so i can post it immediately after you respond to my last post nyehehehhe (inb4 i fall asleep first w/e) ah okay okay, i think that makes sense. tbh id like to get a better grasp on the lurkers, seeing as two wagons flipped t, im kinda reluctant to think the others may as well...? ie an utr maf team thats not getting focus and content to sit back? which would be kinda annoying to see if we're all just... eating each other alive here (sorry archer ;_;). seeing raven as also a new player getting killed just feels like a huge head tilt then. i guess low info whatever, but its just... weird too? i unno. ah okok. that does make it a weird kill for either killing party then acc- do you think this points to an UTR killer then? im not exactly used to nightless games like this, do you think my vague analysis in one of my prior posts (i think the first of this cycle) is valid? ah hm, okay. do you think devo would... be the type to get easily overturned by teammates though? though i dont think a teammate would purposefully want to kill someone who had a fos on her anyways hmmm. i think this probably is more generally indicative of a not-e!devo world then alright hm. :catblush: ^w^ (also noted edit even if not quoted here): yeah that'd be BM if it was a regular. who played in those games who also is a player here? maybe that'd help narrow down a pool? you sound genuinely frustrated at this. mmm i think in light of this im gonna move devo off my vote pile for today and look a bit further then; can i get your opinions on winnie the poohkla ? theyre someone i remembered getting gutpinged at earlier in c1 and theyve kinda flown utr for me otherwise edit: ravenclaw also very low profile ??? i dunno what to think there edit2: im so tired i think ill go 2 bed now. o/ also i think ive decided oohkla season is a plague to note you ahd poohkla in ur squint list. headinhands. weh. i should maybe habve a bit more time itt tmrw but the day after i have a final due so errrrm rlly shouldnt see much from me (and if u do, tell me off plz)

oh ive cursed myself. (new message to respond to. posts for analysis here.) i think my main thing to glean here was 1, suspicion thrown on devo, but also 2 a sort of frame of mind of being "a wild card" which to me reads more like my sort of stated potential kill as opposed to a direct kill for a concrete reasoning. hm. ill go compile ravenclaws quotes after. if we think this is a low info kill then im not sure id know who'd make those sorts of kills (ig thats the point hmph), if not theres a fos on devo. edit: are you proud of me i found the spoiler button : D EDIT:2 IAM? (or is that lam?) wdym? edit3: please respond soon i wanna respond to ur last post ;_;

(im not quoting that 2 respond bc im trying to pick up posts from the NKs LOL) okok swag swag. ill make sure to peer at all yalls secrets then >:3 ah yeah, that sort of thing makes sense. i think looking at raven (uhm the one with a raven as the icon atm) the maijn thing is that they mentioned having less time c1 and more c2 which makes me feel like it could be some sort of "potential kill" (as opposed to a kinetic kill???? lol [silly mode]). which is making me feel like my analysis may not be that helpful bc i dont know ppl here who would be more afraid of that. whcih leans more of a threat kill (side note i think with that id call aman a SPK [strong player kill] rather than a threat kill but im kinda bouncing along thoughts of how n0kills in chat games i play tend to be killing off people who *would* find the mafia if they were alive, even if they arent otherwise a strong player) chat mafia is quick paced xso uh,m its a lot of reactions xD. i mean i def struggle at later game so idt the way you play is like. bad at all, we're both just. wildly different skillsets. late game feels more like a chore to me past d2 ;_; forgive any typoes here i... cant be bothered. also i asked in ediot of prior post abt why cookie vote immediately, onions? EDIT: ninja'd xD. ill look that over once i finish compiling quotes 1 sec

where are you looking now? smh my head you forgot one- -seems youre not the only one to notice though? microreading not e/e with each other but meh hahhhhhhh. no worries i may also take a while^^, i think im also gonna take a look both over vote stuff and NKA in the morning (*cracks knuckles* i love NKA <333) Winnie the Pookla so that you dont fall under my radar : P four? also why not pressure (pookla and) aman and I for voting a villager too (even if not the final wagon) do you think theres a connection there or what? whats the point of this? seeing as the person i was voting ended up being a kill at night i think that leands a bit of credence to aman tbh- i kinda wonder if the reason nobody swaapped onto them there was bc of a sent kill and the elims didnt wanna vote their kill target? esp as there were quite a few ppl then who could have plausibly seen my request to switch but didnt? id need to look over eod but not the greatest look for raveness/ash/devo eh actually idm this- aeoryi's sheeping wrt kas (in a blinder sense) pinging me as well, tho... idk i dunno what to think exactly with those kills. and... maybe? i dunno. i think id need to actually get to NKA but atm i think its more likely the elim kill ah icic. i kinda dig that tbh, it kinda forces elims to either risk it and kill you as a VT or play the wifom game. well good thing you now dont need to reread raven as a vote candidate! bad thing is you need to reread raven as a kill target. lol. also no worries, youre not the only one with energy/time problems ;_; its definitly something to nkeep in mind and have as a skill, but its also nebulous and ive seen. a very amusing 6 person pure wagon on town. i think my main wheelhouse is a mix reaction testing and #for science, and kill analysis. i dabble into vote analysis a bit but its not smth im too familiar with (its. rlly hard on chat mafia to analyse tbh). def get that though, sounds like youre a much better late game player then also xD that quote out of context jumpscared me i was so confused seeing it bc im enjoying my time here ^^^ but thats nice to know : D (maybe the fr mafia people are just mean, hmph (silly)) low info shot? do you mean to kill for... being unstanced? considering aeoryi self voted to save ash im not rlly sure what to think of either wagon atm. VCA is for nerds (im a nerd, just a tired one.) and sure, talk to me about it. i can give you self meta you can ignore if you want. "its a fun play" said by someone who also voted raven doesnt inspire much confidence though. why did you end up joining me on raven anyways? oh i see. idt ive ever played a game that allowed PMs out of game ^^ are others like. actually not allowed to open them? or is that meming ? i think my plans for later are 1 nka my beloved 2 vca my beloathed 3 collect my thoughts on the players i dont have very big opinions on, and work through devo 4 secret fourth thing if anybodys here for some real time maybe i have a bit of sleepy brain acc ^^ EDIT: actually, kasmir, question, why is coffee cat your immediate c2 vote there? ALSO IM a fool. 5 dont let winnie the poohkla slip under my radar. EDIT2: im ngl i may have realized in my sleepy tiredness i may have confused one raven for another in here but idk which :wowee:. im so tired.

this is so.... headinhands. id rather not go either of them- would anybody be willing to swap to ravenjedi instead?

if i could entice either of you to change or make a vote to prevent a tied vote for #wagonomics i think that'd be more productive than a rng selection tbh. ugh im kinda annoyed at being here so late to the bell but ive been kinda busy waugh EDIT: ill be back in like 10 but rng ties make me anxious ;_;

ah oki ty ^^ im ngl i saw your comment on "kas gets nk'd here" and saw that kas was already popping into a leader slot and kinda just assumed they would be. noted noted on the meta, ill keep a note of this ^^ side note: plz dont use they/them for me ^^ i use it/its and he/him mostly i think in general i like your readlist here, its pretty aligning with my own worldview (if not more commented on xD) hopefully we'll get more from the nuller inactives? i think that'll end up being a c2 problem for me thoughwhen i have more time ^^ i mean, at this point, do you have anybody who's alignment you DO know? the same can be said about anybody in the game, i dont like this focus here about specifically not knowing archers? and i was asking/commenting on archer's read on you there^^ you can feel free to disagree with me (i assume you would) but i think of everybody's reactions to the sk claim that i disliked yours o7. wdym aman's wheelhouse though? okay that makes sense from you ^^ i think regardless id rather wait on my tr though, and see how that holds out though (and ive also enjoyed archers other contributions even as ive disagreed with some of the conclusions) another comment in which i nod and stroke my wise beard sagely. (i do not have a wise beard). cf? i will again stare and assume this means that they know of this meta then and thus how to work around it? bleh i love nebulousity. i think even with meta handwaving out in the air theyre probs the best place for me to vote today. Ravenclaw (Ookla the Present Particple) the way im reading it is its like. youre an eliminator, you know that everybody else is not an eliminatoir aside from your buddies. but theres also a third party in game. if you see someone comment like that, you dont know their alignment technically, but you arent aligned with them. and here you have raven say archer is probably elim or sk, which at least isnt aligned with archer, but to me i think comes from an eliminators perspective of wanting to weed out a competing faction? uh take this with a grain of salt because im new to thse convention goals and such, but jumping immediately to "oh this is convention indicative" rather than "this is alignment indicative" feels less concerned *with* finding a players alignment? thus a immediate pressure of it feels more e!aligned than t!aligned because... eliminators i think would focus more on convention goals to appear busy? i prefer raven to devo atm regardless but it didnt sit v well with me ig skip ahead a bit ~ yeah nah thats fine; i def get it but its still just... idk its weird i guess? not rlly much more i can say aside from it being weird. if youve got any concerns with me id feel free to work that out with you bc i love talking about myself : D uhhh ive not looked at them (ravens) much at all but ill get a look over after this post ^^ ah okay^^ that makes sense. tbh i get the sense that this forum in general might abide to that sort of nicities tbh. we'll see : D mhm! chat mafia is like... way different to forums, i feel like forums have made me better at chat though which is swag ^w^ but no im not drastically inexperienced (though im not like... i dont consider myself insanely talented at either alignment) hmmm noted. i dont often subscribe fully to analysis like that as opposed to typical analysis of posting though. fmpov stuff like wagonomics for example can be... easily manipulated by mafia? its always a secondary tool to me, not something id ever fully base a read off of. tbh the commenting on sticking your head out makes me just think its less likely for archer to be an elim, unless it was some sort of huge bussing strat, but that itself just seems like a -ev play so id rather not assume that to be the case. meh id acc gather that aeoryi's joking around so comfortably town points in and of itself (though im gleaning this might be meta related). still not rlly looking there fmpov, esp with the recent like... whole page re-reactions to everything this just seems like bored villager play than anything nefarious) also LOL trust me dw MU is like... scary. i dont blame u. its kinda weird to be playing on forums that do allow editing (like here and FR i promise im not addicted to the silly dragon website xD). noted on your leans, will./... get to it later here xD seconding a; dont feel inclined to show up if youre not feeling it! ive got better fish to fry than you today ^^. just get some rest and we'll find you tomorrow (i should have more time c2 as well fwiw, but final stuff has been lacking me for time ;_; as well) stick is toxic i hate stick (this is a joke i love stick) there was a post by Aman that i wanted to respond to as well but i didnt initially multiquote it so im responding here bc i think this is roughly where it would have been anyways. clarification to my v!read of you then: it wasnt exactly a v!read it was a "off vote option list", which i kinda realized i didnt have anything substantive to move you off of that anyways...? which is a shrug to say you probably shouldnt have been there anyways but youre regardless not where im looking today anyhow. as with kas, feel free to prod me for stuff or concerns ^^ side note i... have no clue what on earth is up with these "thread pms" and im afraid to quote posts with them because of that ;_;. can i get an explination bc my greedy clicky fingers wanna open them i wanna dissect this further but i will answer the question of me bc time :wowee: generally id say stuff like that skews more v than e, but depends on the player. i wholeheartedly dont believe theyre *both* elims here because that'd be *too* bold for an elim to do itt but ~vibe check is fine generally im a lot bolder, uhh but on MU im never nk'd early meanwhile on FR despite being new there ive been a n1 target twice ;_;. which. i kinda dont wanna be here lol. but also outside of early game ive not had quite as much time to devote into thread so im mostly popping in with larger quotewall responses. depending on context, account or actually. i tend to use it to mean actually more often so thats probably how i used it. okay whoops that is not what i thought bucket strat meant. to me i thought it was a pr claiming early so that doc (lurcher) would be on them (at this point i hadnt realized that sk was immune to elim kills). but also generally speaking thought it was joking this wagon formation always kills a something something. i dont rlly like any of these wagons ;_;

xD yeah ill hold off on my thoughts for a biiiit yeah i mean. im gonna state that i fully dont know anypony here's meta but in general im decent at reading into those sorts of claims? dgmw ive met my fair share of people who fly with audacity there but meh- i ahve a bit more though, but lemme get to that later in this message ^^ ( and xD gl then king actually. good point. i was kinda throwing that name out bc i remembered them doing *something* notably when i posted that, but then realized there wasnt much from him. i think i just remembered him being nice whoops ravens/archer not e/e expz ah yeah that makes a lot of sense. i'd generally feel more swayed to see reaction testing as v indicative rather than anything else, but the elims needing to weed out the sk makes that harder to gauge as well (er, i suppose sk could also want reactions but. what a sk wants reactions for is a lot more nuanced than an e or a t. my gripe with this, and thus my earlier squinting, is i read your prior comments as a soft defense of archer, and a lack of a read on such a contriversial member read moreso partnered, but the other quoted post makes me think this is less likely. but i didnt want to air such a gripe so early as it was mentioned you're a likely n1 kill... lol. i dont like the hedge in this fwiw. i can get not trusting a persons reasoning for a claimed reaction test, but you can also reap the rewards of said reaction test. consider a t/sk!archer as opposed to a e!archer world. if you assume archer is uninformed, then you should be looking for the informed in response to his reaction test, or whos trying to push sus onto him. if you think archer is informed, who is defending him? i think theres a lot you can get out of things like this even if you dont know what alignment archer is by the responses to him. but also with devo, youre unsure on, but you just kinda parse it off as "interesting" which is baffling to just... comment on and disregard? oh good,. its kinda confusing here ^^ im only known by/played with stick on this site fwiw; aeoryi i saw inned on a game im helping host but otherwise have no experience with ^^ anyway; why do you think that an v!player would be less likely to respond? would you not assume an e!player would rather avoid a rt? though ig this gets to wifom territory now. you say that e!you would respond to a test like this, which brings up 2 questions 1. do you think that your playstyle is similar/common to the general playstyle of this site? 2. how would you describe e!you to react to this, assuming someone else posted the exact reaction test there? for araris/kas: wdym in their metas? like just in general you think their reactions are NAI? for me: xD, its easy to capitalize on as wolf when someone pulls this stuff in maf gg pubs; i kinda generalized that this website is a bit more methodical in how yall do things here. gth id say ppl who *would* call for your death are more likely to be elimers, but the fact you have a meta of doing this kinda muddies those waters. for past participle/ravenclaw: can you detail more how their indecisiveness makes your read more neutral here, especially while calling out kas/devo for their caution? i dislike their response the most tbqh for devo: this i understand most actually- i think as v! youd be more compelled to find an AI reasoning than convention reasoning. for bald: can you explain more on this, given youve put the least thought here for the bald and still placed your vote there? aeoryi: im ngl i kinda buy your reasoning wrt a sk!aeoryi, esp with the comments to raveness... otherwise im kinda shrug though, i dont rlly wanna vote aeoryi d1 for kinda nebulous reasons. which actually. Aeoryi i feel like i had something more to say on this but i forgor. curious to see ur response tho can u explain what you mean by this? i dont rlly think archer's sk claim was obscure at all, id acc claim it overblown tbh. i agree with your conclusions but i dont really understand the reasoning for getting there. disagree wrt raven atm, i think theyve been plenty placatory here, will get back 2 that later tho ive not acc played on a bunch of forums ^^ just 2, im new to forum mafia actually xD! but ive played chat mafia for longer and thats where im more experienced. tho what does FNG mean? i assume it stands for forum new guy? idt id mind voting devo this cycle tbh, esp from their prior comments, i think theyre a decent bet for an elim. id like to know what youre tling me off of tbh- ppl generally find my playstyle scummy as town, its odd to be tl so easily here. yeah mindmeld to the first paragraph here tbh, thats roughly my sentiments wrt archers test conclusions. i dont rlly get anything else thoug, i assume its some meta of other games? ig i kinda gave my own responses to the rt in this post as well, if youd like to scan through those as well ill take one i like the bringing up an acc response there to the rt thing, esp with the conclusions offered by archer intiailly, dont see an elim-er being willing to do that tbh ive thought kas has been overtly towny so far (er except a brief paranoia wrt archer pairing) and ive mindmelded and agreed with a lot of his processes posted itt. why do you think its a good idea to bring up it not beinf a good idea to elim him d1 tho? - i think after all that my scumpings are mostly in like: devo/raven(claw)/winnie and i have some townleans in: kas/archer/jnv/aeoryi? maybe bald as well, i kinda liked the introspectiveness in one of their early posts with everybody else unsorted? @Kasimir is there anybody you think i should take a look at to sort specifically that i havent?

mildly amusing to see your own name among the people you'd be okay condemning xD i think atm i feel ~decent with you/aman/kas and maybe bald being off my vote list but im struggling to put some other names to users (theres too many gosh darn ravens xD). i dont think i remember much abt half the ppl in your unwilling to vote list; can you offer me a bit as to why some of them are in there ? lol all good. theres just a bit of like. speculation i have in my brain but i dont rlly wanna put it into the thread bc id rather not start doing like. kill speculation itt xD. not my job at all i would love a quokka... theyre so cute zomg... i think wrt archers claim i still just... i dont know. i dont think it comes from an eliminator at least, and i wanna say its villagery though...? but mmm. lame answer but ig itd be better to see more from them /shrug unrelated but Kas whats up with the bolded stuff mreow?

o7 hmmm. ok i didnt think about that. i think anything else that i want to say on this matter isnt rlly pro-town to disclose but i am nodding sagely along. :wowee: associatives my. beloved anyways i didnt think sk could win jointly (and i double checked and idt it... can?) but im gonna be oiff thread a bit, might read through but ill smell yall later

honestly ive been kinda wanting to throw out some reads myself so it'd make me feel a lot less awkward if you did ;n; okay wait i rlly need to read then- kriller on my homesite needs to be within the final 2 alive and can't joint win idt . holdup-

ah okay. i will... sit back and let you cook for a moment then, ill keep an eye on that then. [i have some other thoughts but ill hold off for now and let u cook^^] yeah fair enough!!! all the ppl ive met through it have been chill, theyre all a lot of fun ^w^ mmm typically in chat games ive played with killer (sk) people just kinda flailed around. i think in geenral the approach should just be to find scum as a whole, rather than specifically look for eliminators or sk? though sk could potentially kill elims here for us. a lot of waffling to say, lets find scum but if possible, find eliminators over sks? though id hate if there was just the last scum left being a sk wrt associatives, i put a lot of stock into them so an independant party isnt great. weh. idrt this hypothetical helps much when theres no flips yet anyways cheers!!!

:noted: idm leaving my vote there for now at least tho. just better hope i dont forget by the end of the day xD. felt w self meta tho, though introspection on that is ~decent points top ten things i did NOT read. whoops oh yeah theres a dedicated community there ^^ its kinda chill and lowkey, n theres also apparently some rp maf? it vibes. ironically i think arcane is the main flight that plays maf xD mmm alright. i guess general scumhunting in general is the best way to play then...? wrt to archer; if you dont think i should tl archer for that, how do *you* read archer then? (i will use context clues to assume archer openclaimed a scum role in the game youre referencing). do you disagree with the people voting him or think theres a scum possibility there? dw stick told me abt that owob. ive kinda opted to sit back though in terms of posting 9and doing quotewalling now apparently xD bc of it. and dw i found the rules and etiquette page ^^.

sandile!!!!! feeling very welcomed ^w^ i will write down aeoryi/raven not e/e regardless, and become bamboozled when you flip SK then :3 ive not played with a sk in a while though, im kinda hoping that sk will end up getting taken care of regardless by the eliminators here. are they common here? how do most ppl revolve around SK knowledge?

ahhh icic. so when you flip red i can hard town raven xD?

think like a lizard but big ^^ im ngl i was rlly confused for a moment bc i didnt realize archer from earlier was the same person who claimed SK b4 TvT. was gonna question why everyone was poking for this new guy who claimed and not the first one xD. fwiw i kiiinda think that a SK claim like that leans town though? this is a person whos comfortable enough to joke. plus i kinda dont buy that sk or mafia would say that just to put all the pressure on them. i wouldnt trust a pr claim from this slot tho e/v? anyways also howdies to everybody else who said hai o/ [also i learned that quotes dont bite.... still kinda scary]

yeaaaaaah. for sure (btw im just afraid of the quote button dont mind me.) fr is like... a lot more chill than MU as well (10ppp helps lol) and theres a lot less tryharding there as well, which is why i think that experience better correlates. but also i dont know how many dragons are on this site xD

i know :curtain: (im one of the game hosts of that mountainous game LOL). nice to see ya o/. im kinda itching to post and poke around but i feel like at this stage its kinda meh to do so and i think id get like. carried away with myself (soemthing something chat player on a forum something something hyperposting). @ aman lol no worries, stick mentioned you repped here for champs at one point but thats abt it. also said its a lot quieter here? im kinda expecting it to be more like the FR forums in comparison to anything else ive played :3 but im excited to be here (even if ive never brandoned a sanderson in my life)

o/ aman sadge no reaction :[ yeah, ive played on MU and a bit on flight rising, but i mostly play chat mafia ^^ stick invited me to play a game here and i wanted to check it out so here i am!!!!

OH lol. here let me help you out then smile :3 Aeoryi (Ookla the Resolute)

oh right thats how yall vote here? whats up with the self vote? is it some sort of meme meow? edit: im slowly watching my post count go up and its so amusing to me. sorry i love hyperposting :D. this will only end horribly

planning a bucket strat early hmmyes

neil the eel

id like 2 join >,>