Sophrosyne

I think Harmony COULD have invested Wax to make him into something that was more or less an avatar, but I don't think that was necessarily the plan, even Wax (Spoiler for end of Lost Metal)

was accidental. So, I concur with others. I think it's somewhat likely though that this is abit of set up for Harmony eventually doing something like this.
A) splitting off chunks of ruin and investing people to Insite change and destruction. 
B) Respliting his shard into two more manageable and aligned intents. 

Umm. just off the dome?

Attack
Range goes to your typical mistborn and while I’m sure you CAN fashion your plate and blade into a bow, I’m sure we all agree that’s not a normal use of the power of an unoathed.
Melee goes to unoathed. Shard plate makes striking power dangerous or deadly. I'd be open to making this a tie however cause I think I recall vin cracking a guy’s skull with dura-pewter.
X-Factor here goes to a Mistborn. Mind you shardplate should shield from emotional allomancy but if that’s overcome for any reason and that’s another tool, speed bubbles are terrifying if you’ve never seen them before and A-electrum is underrated.
Speed 
    I’m calling this a Mistborn. Flared pewter lets you move at above a sprit indefinitely, but plate does something pretty comparable. But steel and iron is where it’s at the most important factor to combat speed though, maneuverability and Mistborn have that in spades. 
    
Durability
    Unoathed. Handdown. MAYBE I'm missing some pewter feat but I think a shardbarer can walk through high storms and I’m not betting a mistborn can do that.

Endurance
    Assuming a normal amount of metals (albeit all 16) and stormlight. It’s the unoathed. We see shard bearers fight all day without huge concern for stormlight but it’s a common issue for a mistborn to need to top off on metals. 

I’m saying that we set battle IQ and Intelligence to equal cause of course.
This gives 3 to Mistborn and 3 to unoathed. So a tie? But in your specific scenario

8 hours ago, Frustration said:

grabs an era 1 mistborn, gives them a set of sixteen metals and some coins, and a trained unoathed and dumps them in an arena across from each other.

 I’ll take the unoathed. The mistborn doesn’t know how nearly HALF of there metals work. So it’s can a peak human with A-iron & A-Steel beat a shard bearer? THe answer is no. but. If they were an era 2 mistborn. Say Wax’s mistborn 3rd child? I’ll take the mistborn. They have more tricks and could prolly speed blitz an unprepared shard barer. That said

~Written inbetween tasks @ work so hopefully it was legible!

I have the First Ideal in Women's Script on my forearm. I love the tattoo personally, but I wouldn't recommend it. The sharp lines will age really poorly, and I got it with the knowledge I'd like need to get it altered/covered.  I'm sure you can get it to a point it might look better over time but that would require talking to you artist and /or altering the look of women's script. Maybe try glyphs?

On 10/21/2025 at 8:33 PM, IHadAThought said:

All this said, I’m not an expert on this, I’m sure there are people who know more about this than me, so don’t take what I say as fact.

I'm not sure the experts know stuff like this it's just not information to draw much of a conclusion.

 

On 10/21/2025 at 9:19 PM, Treamayne said:

It's not likely unless she was only using those two surges for years. It's about consistantly using more than one power so that, over time, both applicable portions of the spiritweb for powers are slightly altered and affect each other or affect the weilder.

I hadn't considered any time aspect of it really. Though the thought that use of powers affects a resonace is kinda scary as they'd be in some level of flux all of if not most of the time if you had 3+ MoIs.

Say Wax became an Elsecaller and had access to both surges. What resonance(s) would he get? Would he get any? Would he loss anything?

Resonances have been bothering me for a while. More specifically how we just don't know anything about them. We know that 16* (or 10?) abilities from being mistborn is too many to develop a resonance and we’ve only seen them a few time all in individuals with only two MOIs, Raidents and twinborn. Notably there’s no sign of them with aviar? That said, I've always just assumed that if you had 3 powers you'd get at least 3 resonances, but that’s just… That’s too many right? At one extreme a radiant twinborn gets 11 resonances. But the opposite is that the same person just loses access to their unique twinborn resonance? I suppose that Becoming Raident is worth it but it does feel weird. So since neither to me feels right I wrote this post to ask the above question.

On 8/4/2025 at 10:13 PM, Lesser spren said:

I forgot about that part but the question about what happens when a non-radiant gets injected with stormlight still stands.

I'd suspect you'd get base line stormlight enhancements as drawing stormlight and using surges is what spren give. but simply holing investiture is shown to give phiscal boosts. So you'd be a surgeless raident?

How many gloomspren to does it take to tell a depressed person is SUPER depressed?

One of my favorite topics! 

I think that finding the most dysfunctional dual shards is less to do with finding opposites and more to do with shards that don’t interact at all. Mercy & Virtuosity come to mind. Mercy The force of release and endings? And Virtuosity self-expression and creativity? They’re not opposites, they have very little interaction outside of the suffering artist which Mercy wants to help in some way and Virtuosity wants to create.  And maybe artistic catharsis. Outside of that how do they blend?

On 8/18/2025 at 10:51 AM, Duxredux said:

I disagree on using Wax's movement as a basis for plausibility because he was a master Coinshot and used Steelpushes for the rapid movements that dashing would be useful for. BoM in the very beginning of the attack on their train he deflects bullets aimed at Marasi and rockets into the hallway by Pushing off the side of the car to slam into the wall before shooting the bandits. Keepers similarly had a simpler and more scalable speed technique available to them as well.

So, I'm saying that Wax not doing or even really trying this is evidence his using A-Steel as much as he does weaken this evidence, but it remains none the less, even after being directly informed that this was possible, he doesn't do it or even attempt, and I don't think that should be disregarded.


That said this is likely a Doylist thing in that Brandon just didn't think about it and or didn't want it in his system because it DOES step on f-Steels toes. It's also pretty granular, even for a Sanderson magic system.
 

I think the fact that wax does do this with A-steel & F-Iron but not any other time is evidence that you can't tap and store fast enough for it to be practical any other time. I mean when you think about it you don't spend long air born when you're running and none at all when walking or jogging by definition.

I also think intent could be abit of an issue here. If you're specifically wanting to go faster while using f-Iron that might muck up the whole thing?

Oh! Neat~ that's why we haven't seen voidspren or other splinters do it then. Haven't had the right circumstances!
 

11 hours ago, Nitpicking said:

In Tress of the Emerald Sea we find

Is this a mistake? Cause that's a Yumi spoiler, which apparently I need to re read.

11 hours ago, Nitpicking said:

It seems to be a pretty general but not universal thing about Splinters.

I'm not sure that I follow our logic. Are you saying that because we've seen some splinters can become shardweapons, all splinters should be able to? In which case I'll again point to seons. But don't let me straw man you.

 

On 8/8/2025 at 5:45 AM, Valigus said:

a point regarding their sentience though is that it may not actually be indicative of lower levels of investiture given that the sentient spren of Roshar were seemingly intentionally shaped, furthermore they only gain sentience in the physical world with the bond, and honorblades connection to their wielders seeming to be much weaker than bonded spren, it could be they cannot manifest minds as easily. 

Point heard but I think you misunderstood mine. I'm saying that seeing as larger lumps of investure seem to be more sentient then smaller ones the fact that radiant spren talk is a indicator that they have more investure. I'm not sure that connection has anything to do with it. (Thinking Emoji)

On 8/8/2025 at 6:33 AM, Trusk'our said:

I think it would be best to state this idea as an idea then, not as fact. It's kind of misleading otherwise.

I'm going to hard agree here. We could debate this. Pulling out books and siting page numbers and that fact alone which makes this an opinion, a valid opinion to hold as it's clear there's something special about the honourblades, but opinion none the less.

it is however a fact that all spren are slinters of one shard or another.
 

4 hours ago, Nitpicking said:

Hey! Why don't any Voidspren ever become Blades?

I don't think any void spren bond. and in case you meant for Enlighted spren, I don't think anyone's sworn a high enough oath.

I don't recall seeing anywhere that they, the honourblades, are more invested then shardblades. if anything, they'd be roughly the same or LESS so due to having lesser sentience compared to radiant spren. 

But if we presuppose Honourblades are more invested then shardblades the effect on cutting force would be proportional to how much more invested they are. Full metalminds, shardplate, spren, etc. resist being cut because investiture resists investiture. My understanding is that it takes a large difference in investure level to overcome that resistance (or tricks). A radiant holding stomlight , or a mostly empty metalmind offer minimal resistance because they have, relative to the blade, little investiture.
 

Sooo... I doubt that helps much but there my 12am thoughts.

Looking at the Cosmere RPG there's mention the certain Spren need certain gemstones and before I start looking through books I wanted to know if there was a list of any kind I was missing?

Have you read Stromlight 5? Because spoilers for Wind and Truth.

I've dmed a few times now and find that's it's fairly common for players to group up in this way. My first ever game DMing two players decided to be mother and daughter without skipping a beat. The only time I've not seen some level of this happening was in groups that don't focus on RP.

 Pretty!
Umm as far as I can remember it's pretty book accurate and very well done.
She's always described as girlish and though I think of her in a silk/gossamer dress myself she's one to change outfits all that time so the outfit's fine.
The closest to criticism I have is they samey coloured background may be hard to read in some senecios but that's stylistic prefence more than much else.

Sorry I didn't have much helpful, but I couldn't let you go responsless!

12 hours ago, Treamayne said:

Hope that helps

It's a rare thing if you aren't helpful my friend!

So at some point I was told or read something to the effect that the name of a shard, say ‘Ruin’, is the same as a given shard’s intent full stop. Now I don’t know why but I was always under the impression that shardic intent had a little more to them. 
For example: Ruin isn’t JUST “ruin” but something like “Change things so they end.” 
I even have a google doc musing on these and I’m sure I'm just being semantic, but it has big implications to shard mixing and interruptions. I’d love to know more. Like is Harmony’s intent completely different to Preservation and Ruin’s? derived from it?

Me I wanna see more on compounding. 

Surely, it's possible to hack the system to supercharge other invested arts. and reverse compounding is a thing right?

I also want to see more god metals in general. All of them seem to have some innate magical property Trellium of course repels investure  and Harmonium explodes but surely the Scadrians would experiment with any they got their hands on.

24 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

Is it because they'd become corrupted by Honor's Intent?

My gut tells me this is more to do with intents and Tanavast's loss of control over his shard then with anything else. but I struggle putting to words WHY Tanavast's lack of filtering would be the issue you'd think being infused with pure "I will do what I said I would" would reinforce the Heralds not weaken them right?

28 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

I was under the impression that more Investiture was a good thing for beings

More Investure makes you more powerful and healthier but isn't strictly better as it also algins you more and more with the power's intent, See Nomad, his torment and the racking guilt of not being able to defend himself and others. or Yumi and the torture being a yoki-hijo caused her.

I think Preservation would drive me insane. I thrive on chaos, change, and having to work through whatever is going wrong and have found that stasis is the bane of my everything. Reason just seems like the safest option for me even if I'd prefer Cultivation or Devotion. Devotion would consume me too quickly I'm already prone to hyper obsession so the shard and I would make one hell of a feedback loop. Meanwhile I like to have... pets? Little things I keep because their familiar and remind me of a spefic time and I think any change-based shard would slowly break me as we fight over small stuff like that.

So, then I come to Reason. A shard that I think I could appease easily enough. just put myself on the most hectic world and start taking note and live my best life.

Ruin isn't evil, Ruin is destruction but just because you burn a forest doesn't mean good can't come of it. Likewise, Odium isn't evil, ever hear the term righteous anger? Shards are simply parts of ourselves and the universe segregated from each other. as with anything too much of something can be a bad thing. Devotion seems like it could be good but what is Devotion  without Cultivation or Autonomy?  

16 hours ago, RefusesToElaborate said:

When you cut a countable number off a piece of infinity, there's still an infinity. Slice infinity in half, you just get two infinities.

This is true IRL but in the cosmere it's more complicated. Shards are NOT infante. If they were the likes of Harmony and Retribution wouldn't be any more or less concerning than Ambition and Odium. therefore the lack damage is still a useful point of reference.

Relevant portion underlined at the bottom.