mark_61

nale says that when a knight says an oath he touches the spiritual realm and about the gods being omnipresent I don't think it's true because we

u raise excellent points and this is the actual reason I posted this so people could counter my theory so I could measure it against them I still think it holds marit for multiple reasons reason one is if honor truly is located in the spiritual equivalent of shinobar it makes to me at least still perfect sense because shinobr is the place in which humans settled after the distraction of their other world and a god would want to be in the hearts of his people unfortunately for me I could never meet Brandon but if I could the one question I would have for him is this what is the true meaning of the saying "honor lives in the hearts of his children" I think the meaning of it is that honor lived in the hearts of men and men lived in shinobar perfect logic to me but another explanation could dictate that it means that the spliinters of honors powor is in the honor spern or even in humnes them, selfes I don't think its the case because throge the course of the cosmire multiple times we are faced with profacic and saying not meaning their liturel words but the spirit of the words but to me this theory is the one and only way to inticapte the end of the story I'm most likely wrong because while I have more evidence then I thot I did the more I read the more conflicting evidence I find so will this happen? most likely not but I will sure as hell enjoy it

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You're not really thinking this right? There is one reason that Sezth was able to take 2 shards and that's because he could find the balance of distraction and creation but with honor and odium it's simply not possible and if it was it's still a bad theory tbh sry

Just now, mark_61 said: It wasn't as far as we know It doesn't make sense for it to be splinters beacuse of the existence of 2 things - stormlight the light of honor, and honor's "portal" through the 3 kingdoms (sorry I don't know the name of the "portal" I read it in a different language)

It wasn't as far as we know

4 hours ago, alder24 said: Could you provide a quote or a chapter? So sorry I can't seem to find it but this is the quote sorta "oriafo was ment to be built in(old days althkar) but it was Decided it will be in the west twords honor" this is the gist of it

Aredor: we can theorize that the same will happen to the other two. Lift has been changed to only accept Lifelight, Cultivation's light. Dalinar was changed to become closer to Honor so that he wouldn't accept Odium, and possibly to accept the same as Taravangian did. This will be interesting but I have a counter point honor had his own planes unlike odium that didn't prepare for his death he created the stormfather and I think he created/influenced a bloodline of honorable people - kaladin's bloodline his dad is also very honorable but the biggest point I have against that cultivation groomed dalinar into becoming honor is that I think she knew of honor's plan she did know him better than odium did but more over she dalinar fulfilled the purpose she intended for him I think that beacuse he got back all of his memories in "oath bearer" so I think the to overpower odeum's influence

Ok Im new to this and don't know how to directly respond but the parshmen named god isn't odium rather it's "eal" I don't know how to spell his name in my native tongue it directly translates to god and I'm aware of the fact that nale is a sparne due to being a herald and not the fifth oath but I think that there is a significance to the fifth oath beacuse we don't know of anyone other than nale that said it and the one of the stormbreakers is really abstract like becoming the law? So I think if kaladin will say the fifth oath it'll probably prepare him to being honor. And I don't mean kill the stormfather like Mia rather like the spern of teft who died completely and I didn't say that it's something that's bound to happen (the stormfather dieing and syl transcending to his job) but rather something I would enjoy seeing

7 hours ago, Aredor said: While Kaladin could end up with honor, I find this result unlikely. Kaladin does not have access to the vast majority of Honor's power, and so that makes it less likely to happen. Also, Syl needs Kaladin, and vice versa. We have seen that when Kal is in his darkest moments, Syl is there to cheer him up. In RoW, when Syl starts to remember Relador, she starts to need Kaladin to cheer her up. I find it much more likely that Dalinar becomes Honor. Dalinar is the one bonded to the Stormfather, who is the largest remnant of Honor's power. Also, Cultivation has visited 3 people that we know of - Taravangian, Lift, and Dalinar. As (RoW spoiler)  Reveal hidden contents we can theorize that the same will happen to the other two. Lift has been changed to only accept Lifelight, Cultivation's light. Dalinar was changed to become closer to Honor so that he wouldn't accept Odium, and possibly to accept the same as Taravangian did. You raised some excellent points, though. I wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong and you were right! U do have a point but I'll give you an answer to it first kaladin is going to say the fifth oath of the windrunners the order that is closest to honor and we only know of one other character that said the fifth oath and it's nale who is basically a spern himself and as I said or at the very least implied kaladin will go to shinobar were the body of honor is and he is going to fight the herald ishar but he isn't going to have enough stormlight in the sphere's he brought with him and then he'll start absorbing more stormlight directly from the body of honor that with the fact that he'll have the fifth oath of the windrunners the order closest to honor and the fact the he is called son of tansavat he will become honor but regarding to syl she really doesn't have to live him there is a good chance that the storm father will die beacuse the parsnaby known as god knows how to kill sperns and the storm father is bond to dalinar who's going to fight "god" so a new slot will open and after kaladin becomes honor he could turn syl into the new storm father which also is logical in the lore of the world because syl is the daughter of the storm father

so I know this may be bizarre to some people but here it is Let's start by saying this Kaladin is going to Shinobar in book 5 a place heavily associated with honor in one pre chapter it is said that honor is in the west so it shinobar they also don't have the storms but somehow have straight to train with the swords of honor suggesting that the body of honor is there but why will paladin become honor? well he is one of 2 charcters refferd to as "sonof honor" by the storm father along with dalinar but he is the only one ever refferd to as "son of tansivat"(honor's real name) by the storm father also he has sill who is a chiled of the storm father who is a chiled of honor but let's circle back to "son of tansivat" this plus the fact that his father is as honrble as kaladin himself implais that much like how Cultivation groomed cirten charcters to fit her plans and how odiam tried to do with dalinar(but it's also implaid that that is something he is used to doing since one of the rules honor forced on him is that he couldnt influince anyone diractly) that honor did the same and influnced kaladins bloodline to ivantualy get someone that fits his needs a.k.a replacing him after he died beacuse we also know that he had just engthe time to sculpt the storm father it's totlly reasenable that he suclpted a bloodline of his new subjects(the humens) so that one in that bloodline in our case kaladin could rise up and take his palce as honor. (sorry if i boched any of the names i didnt read the books in english)