Caged_Drifter

A Knight Radiant isn't enough. You'd need a fully powered, completely sane Herald at the their prime to compete with a Fullborn like the Rashek with all 16 metals. The Elantrian would need to be much better than Raoden, ideally with a few centuries under their belt and in their place of power. The God-King would need a thorough education about Awakening, they'd need more hax than just sending stuff flying around. The others aren't qualified to participate.

We know Ishar's kept contact with at least some of the Heralds and is all in all what could be described as "one shady af motherThis post has been reported for attempting to skirt the rules**". Knowing that he had a hand in helping Kalak "holding back" his darkness is suspicious as hell when we know what his advice lead Nale to do. He seems to be be playing his own game and I suspect he might have caused or encouraged the heralds descent into insanity. I don't have enough proof to build a cohesive theory yet but maybe someone here has examples of quotes or wobs that imply he's had contact and influence over some of the other heralds as well? Or some that bring light to what exactly he told Kalak and Nale?

Thanks for answering! That’s pretty much where I started from! I like to base my theory more from a narrative perspective than a crumbs one but I love your way to bring them together. However, bringing ruin and preservation together just doesn’t make sense due to how opposed they’ve been portrayed. So I’ll stick to my guess for now. Very interesting take tho! Even though I still think I’m correct, I also believe I could easily be wrong I see the themes, but I am 100% willing to bet my life on the fact that it will be four groups of four

Hey guys! This is my first post on the 17th shard and is my own take on a fairly common theory. I feel very confident that the shards are separated in 4 sets of 4. One set by dawnshard. Dawshards are stated to be the commands used by good ol’ Ado to create the Cosmere and I believe we’ve heard at least 3 of them already. The first one is obvious: CHANGE. That one is made explicit in Dawnshard and is currently held by Rysn. The second hasn’t been confirmed but I think a very strong contender would be the command to SURVIVE and has been heard by Kelsier (I do not yet have an explanation why and I do not think he’s ever actually held it as it’s the most likely to have been held by Hoid and Zellion). The last unnamed Shard would belong to that group. My third guess is the command heard by Dalinar to UNITE. This is due to him hearing it in a similar manner as Kelsier heard the 2nd one ( An order, or command , in all caps and no clear origin). The fourth and last one has caused me some headaches. I kept trying to make the distribution work using the command DESTROY but couldn’t make it work perfectly as I needed 4 shards out of the known 15 to fit in and every try required leaps of logic to make it work. However, I read a WOB stating the 1 of the dwanshards is different from the others and that inspired me to try to use the command FEEL instead and it made everything fall into place much more neatly. I also think that they will be classify with some sort of internal/external + push/pull division. I don’t know how to make the push/pull work though so I’m open to suggestions. So, without further explanation, I present to you my own personal Shards/Dawnshard classification: CHANGE: -Ruin (external) -Cultivation (external) -Invention (internal) -Virtuosity (internal) UNITE: -Dominion (external) -Endowment (external) -Ambition (internal) -Honor (internal) SURVIVE: -Preservation (external) -Mercy (external) -Autonomy (internal) -Unknown (internal) FEEL: -Odium (external) -Devotion (external) -Whimsy (internal) -Valor (internal) Obviously things could change based off how the Shards we haven’t seen yet express their intent. Ambition, Virtuosity and Valor being the most likely to be switched around imo. Anyway, lmk what you guys think.