Musicspren

I like this idea, but it has some very significant implications. We see in the spren-measuring interlude that mentally noting the length of the spren is not enough, but writing it down is. This would go along with your idea. Now what if you saw a spren (of any sort) do something and noted down that it "acted honorably"? Would that mean that the spren, for the rest of its existence, would act honorably? Or what if you had any freely-moving spren and you wrote that it "moved upward," even though that wasn't it's normal state (any more than a certain length was the "normal" state of the spren in the interlude)? Is that spren going to have to keep moving upward indefinitely? I am inclined to agree with what Logain said (he's far more reliable than Mazrim Taim), but are we prepared to take the idea to its logical extreme?

I am a sophomore studying music composition/theory. I might get a second major in economics, although at the moment, I'm more inclined to take more music classes and only get an economics minor (and I can continue to read things about economics anyway). I don't have an exact plan of what to do with either, but I definitely want to continue composing (and economics is interesting and always good knowledge, whether or not it ever becomes part of a career).

What I like about this idea is that it makes sense (particularly on Sel, and it could be extended to Awakening (positive), Returned and Nightblood (negative), Innate Breath (balanced) on Nalthis). What I don't like is that it feels a lot like what we read in Mistborn, and I don't think Sanderson would want to repeat himself on something like that. The three realmatic aspects of everything are essential in the Cosmere, but I don't know that the positive/negative/balanced trio is.

I like this part a lot; I had thought something similar. I suspect the Dor is somehow tied to the land on Sel, thus why the Aons are like "maps" of Arelon, while I suspect (although I have no confirmation of this) that the characters in the Dakhor's bones might look like maps of Fjorden. Breath might be the naturally-occurring medium on Nalthis. The latter part seems similar to this theory: , except that you have applied allomantic quadrants, while they applied more realmatic quadrants. I'm not convinced on the idea that shards come in sets of two and four yet, but it would make some sense. Clearly 2 and its exponents are important, as they appear in other things like the Well of Ascension filling every 1024 years (210). I would say that, to a lesser extent, are 10 and 3 are also important. (10 being particularly evident on Roshar, 3 because of realmatics).

You mean like "Dun dun DUN" (last panel)? Also (to no one in particular, and not exactly on topic), it makes me very happy that the Casuana Ball is moving again. Aldwin had to stand there, soaked, for a long time (I suppose he still is, but now we also have a pink shirt to fear).

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But if you're wrong and you're a Shard, you can claim it was all part of a greater plan to bring debate in a certain direction. Or you can blame it on Hoid's interference.

I suspect that "Keeper" might be the name of the copper Ferrings. The reason full Feruchemists were called that before was most likely that because their main purpose was to keep the past knowledge in copperminds. "Allomancer" I think of not as a technical term, but as a general term; it applies for mistings and mistborns. Because, during the trilogy, all feruchemists had all the powers, no term was needed to distinguish a user of feruchemy from someone possessing all feruchemical powers. It's possible that "Feruchemist" became the overall term (equivalent to allomancer, rather than mistborn) and feruchemists with all powers would now have a different name. ...And there I go disagreeing with the Shard of Flame again.

Ferring makes a bit sense. The words "Mistborn" and "Feruchemist" both have two main parts, and we call people with one allomantic power by the first part ("Misting" rather than "Borning"). By the same reasoning, people with one feruchemical power are Ferrings rather than Chemlings. And "Chemists" would be confusing in-world, as there would be chemists who aren't magical.

That was amazing. I hope we get a viewpoint from Wayne at some point while he's fighting; it would be interesting to read what he's doing from him, not just an explanation from Wax. And the number of tricks Wax used with only two powers was remarkable. Interesting that adding weight allows you the strength to not crush yourself; I suppose that, as weight is just force, it makes your muscles push with more force too. In close combat, that could be as useful as feruchemical pewter; you could hit someone with an unnaturally heavy, unnaturally strong punch. I noticed that Harms anagrams to Marsh. It probably means nothing, but it's an interesting coincidence. (That fact that Tarson anagrams to OnStar I trust to be completely insignificant.) I wonder... What would be particularly dangerous, compared to Wax? My first thought is double-pewter; he could burn pewter and store it at the same time (making for no real loss in strength). Then he could burn your feruchemically-charged pewter like we believe TLR did with atium and get a massive strength boost. He'd be practically invincible. Wayne's lucky hat would appear to be simply an absurdity. Which means that it likely isn't. Extra metal stores (gold or bendalloy) or aluminum shielding, perhaps?

That is indeed a crazy idea, but I sort of like it. To follow one crazy idea with another: Could it be "Barl" who Wax mentions in the prologue? He's someone from the Roughs, which the bandit's comment would indicate.

Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking of. It fits the description perfectly.

I found it spot you mentioned (on page 114): It does sound sort of like the Allomancy table (or a Feruchemy or Hemalurgy table). I find it a bit odd that they would put a table for another planet's magic system on their main doors. And I'm not sure if the Allomancy table could really be described as intricate; it's really quite simple from a geometric perspective. More likely, I think, is that it's one of those diagrams like are on the insides of the covers of TWoK (in the hardcover at least). Those also have circles, lines, and glyphs, and are more intricate and would make more sense being on Roshar.

I like those! The second one's my favorite; (for any Wheel of Time people) it reminds me very slightly of the Snakes and Foxes introduction. I have a new Elantris one: Within the Spirit, motion halted by death - a city within a city - death halted by motion, the Spirit within

I agree. I also suggest that, as this is feruchemy and must always be balanced, he "stores" this ability by letting the koloss have control over him/his mind. This could be what we see when Jak says: He had used up his "control" or was starting to store it again. Obviously, Jak is not one to be trusted, but I suspect there is a grain of truth in this. Or perhaps I just want to believe that we have seen something new of Feruchemy.

Thanks, Gagylpus, but don't give me credit for the memories idea; that was Silus, and I've been the one resisting it. Thanks also on the ketek; I'm hoping to come up with one for each book, but they require a bit of thought.

I've have this in my signature at the moment, but here is my Well of Ascension-themed ketek on the Ketek thread: Words in steel/ unchanged reveal/ truth/ revealing unchanged/ steel in words

I do suspect that it's always related, and the people on Roshar just don't always follow the relation. I still have some problem reconciling that with his thought about "Was not losing all memory of his wife enough?" However, if he asked for her to "Heal his pain at losing his wife", and the only way to accomplish that was to remove his memories of her, that would then allow for the "losing all memory" part not being expected or intended. That would also connect it to "healing", one of the aspects of Shash. It would be like Sanderson to twist it so what appears the be the curse was actually supposed to be the boon.

One objection I have to this is that, right before the first quote about Renarin, Dalinar thinks: If it is common knowledge that Nightwatcher gives a curse of some sort, he should know that something he requested was "not enough," and that there would be some sort of curse. One problem I find with theorizing on Nightwatcher is that she seems to make too little sense. Magic in the Cosmere consistently makes a lot of sense when you know enough, yet Nightwatcher's blessings and curses feel rather arbitrary so far. I'm wondering if it could be connected to the essences in the Ars Arcanum. I remember reading about someone whose curse was that his eyes saw everything inverted, but that he adapted rather easily. The eyes are the body focus in the same essence as Loving/Healing; did he ask for healing, by chance (I haven't found the quote)? If Renarin's condition is the curse, that could be of blood to Dalinar both figuratively (as his child) and literally (a condition of the blood). By this reasoning, we could think that Dalinar might have asked for something about creativity or honor (those being of the same essence as blood). If the curse is the loss of memories of his wife, it's a bit harder to say which essence that would be (the second seems most likely, but that's very tenuous). I like the theory of Shallan healing Renarin's blood illness. It would make a bit of sense. I'm new to 17th Shard (although I've lurked without an account for a while), and it now occurs to me that perhaps my first post shouldn't have been one to disagree with the Shard of Flame...