CJ Feboris

On 2/15/2022 at 1:12 AM, Bacon said:

And I don't think Sanderson did that on purpose.

Of all things said in this post, this is the most insupportable. I'm not sure that there is anything that he has written by accident, he shows what he wants to show and obfuscates what he wants to, he is probably the best author I have ever read to do this. He is not putting a single line into his magnum opus without thought and revision.

I wonder if they can "fixed" after their interaction with Sja-anat? 

14 hours ago, CrazyRioter said:

The Sibling seems to be the spren powering the fabrial functions of the city. Whether they are the 'spren of the city' or not is an open question.

I think the Sibling is bigger than just the city, my guess is of the Stone or something like that based on all the strata references (even in Kholinar). 

Quick question. Did Shalan create a hemalurgic spike when she 

Personally, I think this warmth and light is related to Adonalsium. I think we see this at the end of OB as well

You are right about the third declension, I just messed up in my declining the ablative. It should be morte. 

I think War is beautiful should be Bellum est bellus since est is followed by the nominative case. But thanks for indulging my inner Latin nerd!

Matt, I'm not a software developer, but I did get a degree in Computer Science and I have five kids. I'm also approximately the same age as you. I think there are some faulty assumptions in your assertions that Navani is an extrovert. Sure she is out and about, but I think she gets her energy from being with her close group, Dalinar and close family. I think she is a strong woman, I think she is forceful, but this does not imply extroversion. These two qualities are often commingled, but I don't believe introverts and being strong and forceful are mutually exclusive. 

I am an introvert, I have a strong drive to be in leadership positions. (I didn't know I was an introvert until a recent personality test...then I asked my wife and she confirmed it). I love leading people, but I still need to recharge around my core group. I don't believe that leadership and introversion are mutually exclusive either. 

I do think that Navani is much more complex than the snippets that we have gotten to see. We have not delved into that character, and we saw some of that in OB. [minor OB spoiler: part 1]

I think this complexity is exciting to read about and I think it is what sets Sanderson so far above his peers. He really delves into the character development without sacrificing the plot. His characters are real and robust, they are full of life and you could reach out and touch them through the page. I felt that Dalinar was the least realistic until OB and it just solidifies the "man of extremes" that he claims to be. Navani is not plastic and she is not a psychological stereotype, but that does not make her less believable (I wrote "real" here first and then realized the irony of that statement). 

I think BS does not like to place people in a box, and he does that very well, I think Navani is an excellent example with this. 

On the flip side, Navani also claims to only be the patroness of the scholars. She is not the artifabrian, but rather she likes all the gadgets that they produce and she parades them around. So, maybe she fits your stereotype after all.

CJ

I like your latin, I'm in the first year so I don't know much, but here is what I came up with:

Vita ante mortem / Vita prae mortae (The ante implies place or time whereas the prae implies preference, both of which are supported by the text, but ante is followed by the accusative, and prae is followed by the ablative case)

my favorite for the "strength before weakness" is: Virtus prae debilitate, which google translates pretty poorly it could also be because debilita has the implication of feebleness and weakness where defectu is a failure

I like both of your journey before destinations, I think they both convey the same message, and your poetic version is very nice with its symmetry but it might lose some of the punch of the ideals. 

Thanks, that was fun!

CJ

10 hours ago, Fourth Of The Night said:

Huh! I've never thought to listen to the books at a faster rate! You don't lose anything with it going so fast?

No, it is the only way to listen, 1.5 feels like a normal rate and 2.0 feels only slightly fast. It is a bit hard when there are unfamiliar words but after a few minutes you won't even notice that the audio is playing fast. 

On 8/29/2017 at 7:58 AM, Killik said:

Is this in SA or another book or a WoB?  I haven't noticed anything though I haven't read everything yet, particularly Secret History.

You will need to read Secret History to understand the Lerasium reference. 

I think we are about to see a dramatic shift in Elhokar's personality based on his near death experience. But he was whining at The Lopen's mom's house so we'll see. 

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“Know you nothing of Patterns, old human?” Pattern said, huffing. When had he picked up how to huff? “Voidbringers have no pattern. Besides, I have read of them in your lore. They speak of spindly arms like bone, and horrific faces. I should think, if you wish to find one, the mirror might be a location where you can begin your search.”

One of my favorite quotes from the book. I cannot picture Iyatil having spindly arms, I I think she is tough.

Inadara was on the Shattered Pains with Shallan looking for the Oathgate and Iyatil  was in the war camps trying to kill Amaram. Unless she can transport herself she is not the same person.

I think you are onto something big here. I think it has something to do with why there are no spren in Shinovar as well. Possibly it is linked to the Bondsmith stuff we get to read soon. If they are held in their forms, they become static. Rushu mentions it in WoR when they are testing conjoined fabrials after Szeth tries to kill Dalinar the first time. 

I don't think they will clash too much because Jasnah takes people as they are with no illusions. Look at her interaction with Liss, she has a pragmatic approach to human interaction. 

10 hours ago, Pagerunner said:

I'm hoping that Bridge Four will pretty much all be Windrunners. I think Windrunners are a very structured order (with ranks and what not), and that Kaladin has been building his whole Order through his training. They might be squires now, but they might be able to 'upgrade' from squires to Radiants proper, and them the other bridgemen that Dalinar rescued from Sadeas could stay as squires. (Or work towards Radiants in their own right.)

I think Lopen will level up for sure. Hope he has a spren as cheeky as he is. 

The only problem I can find with the theory is the POV book. I don't think Brandon would make his readers suffer through a book where the protagonist is a   violation, his plot twists don't generally destroy our faith in him as a human being and it would be very hard to have a protagonist that you cannot cheer for throughout the entire book. Even GRRM gives his characters some likable traits with a possible good outcome, with Taln as a villain, we could not cheer for him and we don't want him to die and go back to being tortured. This seems like a bad conundrum, but maybe if Brandon double crosses himself and has Taln turn again..?

Edgedancer spoilers

It could be that the senior radiants are the keepers of advancement or at least work in tandem with the bondspren to make it happen, this would fit with a militaristic structure of the windrunners and the skybreakers and their squires. But maybe it is also individual by order. There is an in book WoR quote that says someone was having a hard time with the lightweavers' oaths because he wanted them to be straightforward and they were truths instead. I'm with @Calderis on this. I think it is most likely #1. 

Edgedancer spoilers 

So in think we can safely assume the one order is the skybreakers. I also recall a WoB about it too, but don't have the time to look it up. 

This discussion is missing a crucial point. The heralds. They will certainly be in Oathbringer and they will need their blades back, I think that we will see the heralds reclaim their blades. 

7 hours ago, Green Hoodie Mistborn said:

I thought he was more protected even than full form since he already has a bond and would have to want to Change like Eshonai 

Rlain might also be bonded as a scribe of Kaladin . . . it seems that some of the lads was glowin. . .

Isn't it Khriss that wants the data from Shallan? 

On ‎5‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 5:18 PM, maxal said:

Ah sorry. My mistake then.

Just as the Kaladin lovers are over-playing what it might have looked like from an above eye just as they are down-playing the crowd magnet which is Adolin fighting multiple Shardbearers 

Truth is, this isn't about Kaladin nor Adolin lovers, this is about what your average Alethi would have perceived within the scene and while Kaladin is the main protagonist of the story, to your average Alethi, Adolin is the important guy. He's the one they came to see fight which is why all eyes were on him and fight he did. Ever heard of the Invincible Gorilla? It is a scientific experience on how people asked to focus on a sports game completely miss the black dancing gorilla who jumps into the arena... I believe the same applies here: everyone was focused on Adolin, they didn't notice Kaladin nor did they pay attention to what he did. 

For my part, I find the scene very plausible: people often won't notice the obvious if they aren't looking out for it. To the average Alethi, Adolin was the awe-inspiring fighter, not Kaladin, hence they aren't abundantly talking about it. It is stated how duels for Shards are only fought once every few years and right here and there, Adolin had just won an insane number of Shards within nothing more than a few weeks. Within their world, this is probably more impressive than Kaladin dodging a few blows providing they were even looking at him when he did so. I would even wager most of the attention Kaladin got was from his boon and not his fight, but we haven't been privy to this side of the story.

Now, this does not mean there weren't those who noticed Kaladin, especially among the darkeyed spectators, but I feel the reason why no big deal was made out of it merely is most people just weren't paying attention to him.

I don' disagree that Adolin was the man in Alethi society, which is why I think that Kaladin would have made a bigger stir in the arena. The fact that darkeyes were not normally even permitted in the dueling arena paired with the fact that they were only recently allowed to watch the bouts at all indicates that a darkeyes fighting in the arena would have been cause for scandal among the lighteyes and triumph or scandal among the darkeyes depending on their take on the whole situation. Yes Adolin was the star of that show until Kaladin jumped down to defend him with a spear that would do less than nothing against a shardblade, but after his descent, he would have caused quite a stir, I'm actually surprised that it did not violate the dueling conventions somehow. The noteworthiness of Kaladin's entrance was not his fighting prowess, but the fact that he was there at all. The fact that he did not die in the process gives strength to the argument because now he was able to turn the tide of the brutality intended toward Adolin and help him eek out victory. Just my $0.02.

It is certainly alluded to as mentioned by @muco but it is not overt. I think that some of the Adolin lovers may be downplaying the awe-inspiring nature of the fight for a Darkeyes and I think the original question is quite legitimate. It might be on the cutting room floor to keep the story moving since it is already quite long. I think it would have caused quite a stir, but we don't get much of a PoV during that timeframe except from Shallan who is stalking the Ghostbloods and Kaladin self-hating in prison, that is the movement in the story. We don't even get any Dalinar PoV since he is bonding the new shardblade at the time. There is the initial Dalinar PoV when he is talking to Elokhar and trying to talk some sense into him. There is quite a bit of praise from Dalinar at that point. For completeness Sadeas does have a small part, but he is just concerned about his own skin. It would have been nice to see the warcamp's reaction to the duel, but it does not overly detract from the story.

On 5/15/2017 at 8:07 PM, Jaconis said:

I've been thinking Kaladin's next ideal will deal with leadership and protection. He has expressed several times the idea that he should make his men go home to keep them safe, and Syl has responded each time saying they made their choice. His ideal will be something about letting people make their own choice, even if it puts them in danger. 

This is my favorite take on the leadership bent so far. There seems to be a considerable amount of foreshadowing to support this theory. 

Shallan also "sees"/draws Shallash defacing (literally) status of herself. I think this may be more than an easter egg, I think it may have something to do with as yet undisclosed abilities. I think she may be able to use this farsight to see things that are important to her/the world. I have no proof of this yet, but BS mentions it a couple times so that if we are paying attention we will notice.