Parzival

If you're looking in shadesmar while they are in the physical realm then I would assume they are just another bead, unless god metals look differently when viewed in shadesmar. If you were to take a honorblade into the cognitive realm then it would likely still be a sword since that's just what they are, same as nightblood or Azure's sword.

On 11/1/2021 at 4:57 PM, Tglassy said:

 I don't think Sazed is any more powerful than any of the other shards.  The Shards themselves are Infinite.  Infinity times two is infinity. 

I agree with pretty much everything else you said, but this bit is actually wrong. Shards are not infinite, they're just so powerful that they have basically infinte power, unless going up agaisnt something else on the same level, like another shard. We have proof of this in Mistborn, Preservation had to give up a part of himself ot create humans, which made him weaker than Ruin, therefore shards don't have infinite power.

8 minutes ago, Frustration said:

What does memory have to do with Transformation?

Resonances aren't Blank of Blank, it's a cool bonus you get when you have two powers.

You have to know what something was to make it change.

I don't see how making a ball of light is a cool bonus, thats just a basic illusion. Like I said before, anyone with illumination could create something like that.

26 minutes ago, Oltux72 said:

Well, no sound, no distinct shapes ...
For all we know that is his resonance, not Illumination.

It's metnioned that some of the lightweavers couldn't make perfect illusions and especially struggled with sounds when they first started, and I don't see how progression has anything to do with making a ball of light so I don't think this would be a resonance. It looks like the sort of thing anyone with illumination could create

On 10/9/2021 at 9:07 PM, LewsTherinTelescope said:

Imo, yes. If the bond is a similar level of depth (and I think it'd be odd if it wasn't, though this is just gut feeling on my part), then it will probably involve significantly more Investiture simply because the spren has significantly more Investiture. Plus, Bondsmiths can do crazy things like create Light, and Dalinar can open a whole Perpendicularity. Combine that with the in general far more expansive access to the powers (which, as we see with the Bands, is something higher levels of Investiture can cause in at least some cases), and I think it's reasonable.

On 10/9/2021 at 5:19 PM, LewsTherinTelescope said:

Perhaps it's similar to how normally Allomancers can only Push and Pull on metal, but if you chuck enough Investiture into the spiritweb via something like the Bands of Mourning, you reach the point you can see and nearly interact with the souls of objects and people, like Marasi and Wax mention? A Bondsmith spren probably has enough Investiture that when it starts to enter your spiritweb, it pushes the limits of what's possible pretty far compared to a normal sapient spren.

Even if Bondsmith's are more invested per oath, which Is actually backed up by the fused's comments that Dalinar's abilities may have functioned in Urithiru during the take over, they don't have more investiture at their disposal at once than another radiant. The stormlight is the investiture they use to fuel their magic, unlike in allomancy where the metal is just hte key to the investiture, and they have limits to how much they can hold at once, so bondsmiths would be limited as well. Also, not all bondsmiths can create light, so far we only know that the sibling bondsmith can. So bonsmith's abilities can't just override limits based purely on a hgiher use of investiture.

2 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

The one whose Illumination does not work shows the best Futuresight.

Renarin has illumination, it just works a little differently, kinda like how Dalinar and Kaladin share adhesion but have vastly different power sets. He is shows to be able to make a glowing ball of light when playing with some kids in RoW, that would be illumination

And a seeker misting or mistborn could hear listeners rhythms I believe there's a WoB on it, so I think allomantic rhythm's work on a similar principle to the listener's rhythms

I'd say that when in the cognitive realm nightblood would remain a sword, like Azure's blade, cause I don't know if it would have been very easy for vasher to bring nightblood to roshar if he turned into a human in the cognitive realm. While in the physical realm I think nightblood would appear as a flame to those in the cognitive realm, tho it would almost certainly be different in some way from most people's flames.

On 11/14/2020 at 5:03 PM, Neturo said:

We know that the Dawnshards we used to unto/kill Adonalism and we also know that the use of the Dawnshards in such a way would require "the breath of understanding of a diety"

The dawnshards grant "the breath of understanding of a deity" to any who hold them so that a mortal is able to completely understand their power and use it to its fullest extent. You don't need the understanding to use one.

1 hour ago, LewsTherinTelescope said:

Though, there is seemingly a period where he's not aware, so we can't say for certain.

(I'm of the opinion that ultimately they are for all intents and purposes the original person, personally.)

I had forgotten he was unaware for a bit, but I figure that could be just a side effect of being so close to death and then being pumped full of investiture.

I agree, especially since Returned retain skills and talents even after having their memories wiped.

I think that most cognitive shadows would still retain identity and be the same person from before they died, not just a copy. We see when kelsier dies that he is not pulled into the beyond before his cognitive shadow is stabalized by the well. Instead the well seems to somhow fuel his continued existance, and I think there is a change that a cognitive shadow's spiritweb is altered, allowing it to persist eternally and not recognize age as a changing factor. So Returned have to absorb a breatha  weak to fuel the divine breath that tells their spiritweb to ignore age, whereas someone like keslier's spiritweb has been permanently altered to have this change. Probably a lot of holes in this thoery, but I thought it was an interesting take.

On 4/6/2021 at 3:53 PM, Eternal Khol said:

while Intent and power are deeply intetwined, i dont think one of the Shards having more power means that the Intent is stronger/weaker on one side. i think that a Shard at half power would be affected by their Intent just as much as a Shard at full power. I dont think Intent can be quantified like the power can. Its either there or its not. And with Shards, the Intent is always there

I agree, the strength of the intent would not lessen, but perhaps it would be easier to break through the resistance if one side was weaker. However, I think it should be possible for him to meld the intents to create a knew one, capable of both ruining and preserving. That way he could act, perhaps in ruining something, to preserve something else, fulfilling both intents

1 hour ago, Frustration said:

OB epilouge

Thank you, I agree, not massive spoilers, and very much like Hoid to do, not to hard to see it coming.

On 4/7/2021 at 6:29 AM, Random Bystander said:

It's a massive RoW spoiler. If you really want to know, look at the Hoid coppermind page.

Or, I guess you could PM me. I guess that would work too.

Could you give me a hint? I'm not certain what I'm looking for.

On 3/29/2021 at 10:31 AM, CephandriusTW said:

I don't think that would work. God metals are invested so it would be way more difficult to awaken a God Metal Sword than awakening a normal sword.

It would be harder, but the investiture in the god metal isn't actively fighting agianst the awakening so I still think it would be possible, tho it may take an awakener of the same level as the God King to accomplish it

I had a theory that to make a more accurate shardblade using the nightblood method, that is awakening a sword using 1000 breaths, you could make the sword out of a godmetal, so it is already special, and then awaken it, and it would essentially be just like radiant shardblades, highly invested swords made of a godmetal.

5 hours ago, therunner said:

Do these seem like reasonable ideas? Or do you have some other ideas on expanded/modified abilities of living plate?

The first one defintely seems like a reasonable ability of at least windrunner plate, but I don't think the second idea will be as accurate.

I think, using the windspren that make up their shardplate, that windrunners will be able to redirect, or maybe even control storms and highstorms, like how Kaladin did for a short time in Oathbringer. I also think that Kaladin being able to gift his plate to others to protect them might be a windrunner plate ability, and other orders might not be able to do that, but could be able to do different things with theirs unique to their order.

Just now, Chinkoln said:

The situation is hypothetical. We have LITERALLY no way of knowing, unless someone asks Brandon or he writes it into a book.

Of course we have no way of knowing, that's why we are discussing the strengths and weaknesses of both sides to determine which ability would give their user the advantage.

Just now, Chinkoln said:

But what if they didn’t want to kill another person?

Then why are they in a fight to the death in the first place? By your line of questioning the seer may not want to kill anyone either. We aren't discussing morality or motivation, we are asking if they were fighting to the death, both willing to kill the other, who would win?

1 minute ago, Chinkoln said:

Someone is holding a bazooka, and someone is holding a knife. It doesn’t matter if the bazooka person has the better weapon, because they might be unwilling to risk getting caught in the explosion, or the knife person might be a cold hearted killer.

Good thing a gold compounder would be willing to be in the explosion or to get stabbed

2 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

How about value of the item for a standard?

Althogh that will heavily favor the Compounder

the only way to make it “fair” is to give them both limitless amounts, but that would disadvantage the Compounder 

So maybe each one gets 5 metalminds/Beeds to be used but Atium burns faster

There really Is no way for it to be equal because the fundamental concept of compounding is that he has more than the Seer

I think even unlimited resources for both benefits the bloodmaker, cause then they'll just constantly draw on health and make a mad rush with no regard for self preservation cause they know they can't get hurt permanently and would eventually overpower even a seer. 

I like your idea of equal beads and metalminds cause that is probably more realistic than the unlimited resources or equal resources scenarios. 

Just now, Chinkoln said:

This conversation is going in the same direction it went before. 
It comes down to personality, knowledge of opponent, and fighting capabilities.

That's true of every fight. We are determining if all these things are equal, whos abilitites would give them the advantage. In my opinion part of a compounder's ability is that they are able to get massive amounts of their feruchemical store while others are more limited, so based on powers only, the compounder should have much more health than the seer has of atium sight.

2 minutes ago, Chinkoln said:

This is kind of my point. The gold compounder has to be constantly healing. They can heal from all that stuff, but only if they are conscious. They can’t start healing after the blow. And the atium kinda does make them a better fighter, solely because they can see the exact movements of the compounder. 

But that doesn't increase their technical knowledge of pressure points, weaknesses, etc. So unless they were a trained fighter they wouldn't know about solar plexus and pressure points. Also your average fighter doesn't just go the eye, unless they panic and are already close to their opponent

3 hours ago, Chinkoln said:

A finger in the eye

An elbow into the solar plexus

Hitting a pressure point

Hitting any one of these spots would put the seer in the compounder's grasp and would be very hard to pull off, being a seer doesn't make them a better fighter either, just lets them react to future data faster. Plus a compounder would heal from any of these easily. And a single hit to the head wouldn't neccessarily be a KO, I do martial arts and I've kicked people in the head, and been kicked in the head, and it takes a lot more force in the exactly correct spot to knock someone out than lots of people think. And if the seer has the skills and know how to complete these techniques the compounder would have the same knowledge.

4 hours ago, Bejardin1250 said:

The entire brokenness of Compounding is the limitness of it

If you take that away he might as well be a ferring 

You can’t take away his biggest strength 

I agree, with even healing and atium its just a gold ferring versus a seer not a gold compounder vs a seer.

3 hours ago, Chinkoln said:

Why? Depending on the drawback he would be fine. A broken bone doesn’t kill you. 

Yes, but it would slow you down, and every time you put wight and pressure on it it would flare up and get worse.

1 minute ago, Halyo_Alex said:

Nothing else really fits quite as well as that does.

Exactly, and it feels like the sort of cool resonance that would help crashers and that Brandon would definitely use.