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35 minutes ago, Weltall said:

14. Brandon mentioned well before OB that a Shardblade can theoretically kill a spren but it probably doesn't happen often. More likely what typically happens is that a shardblade damages their soul but doesn't kill them and you have to hit them just right. We know for example that at Shardblade won't permanently kill the Fused, since Brandon has said that Nightblood did truly kill that one thunderclast and this isn't something Odium or the Fused are used to dealing with.

So in this case, Nightblood is "stronger" than any shardblade / honorblade on Roshar? What do you think?

33 minutes ago, Nameless said:

Yes, that's how he found out about the highking business.

Amazing! Is this mentioned somewhere / WoB?

34 minutes ago, Nameless said:

She was never taken over by the unmade, she was just evil to begin with.

Haha she is indeed! But when she swallowed the gemstone wasn't she taken over by an unmade? Same as what happened to Amaram?

35 minutes ago, Nameless said:

I would guess that there is some kind of time dilation caused by the heart of the revel.

Wow. This is interesting. Hope we know more about this is RoW

Hi Everyone,

I am continuing my first reread of Oathbringer and trying to ask any questions I still can't find answers for, here on this subreddit. This is the last part (Part #5)

Four previous posts gave me some much insight, so I am encouraged to keep posting similar topics

The links to the previous question posts are below:

Ch 83 to Epilogue: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/92532-oathbringer-questions-from-chapters-83-to-the-epilogue-33-questions/?do=findComment&comment=1099577

Prologue to Ch 18: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/92700-oathbringer-questions-upon-first-reread-prologue-to-chapter-18-33-questions/?do=findComment&comment=1102910

Ch 19 to Interlude 3: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/92745-questions-upon-first-reread-chapter-19-to-interlude-3-end-of-part-1-33-questions/?do=findComment&comment=1104220

Ch 33 to Ch 48: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/92908-oathbringer-spoilers-questions-upon-first-reread-chapter-33-to-chapter-48-30-questions/#comment-1113038

Questions for this part:

1- When Moash is being led by the Fused to the camp with the other parshmen, the Fused treat some parshmen very badly. When Moash asks for the reason, he is told this is because they worshipped a "false god". Who do they mean?

2- During Dalinar's first meeting with Odium in the vision, Odium asks him to release him from his bond? / oath?. Why is dalianr theoretically able to release Odium?

3- Why couldn't Odium see Lift in Dalinar's vision?

4- Did Taravangian end up sending Malata's spren to spy on Dalinar as he proclaimed he would?

5- In one of the gems in the Urithiru library, it says: "As a Stoneward, I spent my entire life looking to sacrifice myself. I secretly worry that is the cowardly way. The easy way out". Do we know who is this Stoneward?

6- If Aesudan was taken over by the Unmade, why did she want to execute the parshmen? What is the timeline on her decisions vs. her being taken over by the unmade?

7- Why weren't all spren corrupted in Kholinar? Shallan sees some regular glory spren there that weren't corrupted

8- How does Hoid conjure images without Lightweaving?

9- Who is the group that Hoid mentions to Shallan he used to know and that reminded him of the Cult of Moments?

10- Azure tells Kaladin that she already met Hoid once before he brought them the aluminum sheets to shield their soulcasting chamber. Was it in Warbreaker? If so, what are the details?

11- Why does Azure's shardblade turn the skin of the killed ashen-grey without burning their eyes?

12- When Adolin saves the guards trapped behind the door in the castle in Kholinar, they tell him they have only been captive for a few days because they ate only a couple times, while Adolin says they have been there for weeks. How did they survive without enough food?

13- During the battle of Kholinar, Adolin hears a voice in his head telling him "Sweet Passion". Is that the same voice that Shallan heard while she was on the platform with the Cult of Moments near the oathgate? Was that an unmade? Which one if so?

14- Kaladin was able to kill a voidspren with Syl during the Kholinar battle. Is this something usually possible - for a spren to be killed with a Knight's Radiant shardblade?

15- Aesudan mentions to Elhokar that Gavilar was able to find one of the ancient spren but couldn't bind it. Do we know more details about this?

16- How is Shallan able to repel the black heart from the oathgate in Kholinar?

17- Why is Sja-Anat more friendly than other Unmade towards humans?

18- Sja-Anat tells Shallan that she touched the spren of the oathgate. What did that entail? Were Shallan, Kaladin, Adolin and Azure supposed to be transferred to Shadesmar? What was the deal with this plan by Sja-Anat? / Odium? / the Fused??

12 hours ago, Chanarach said:

1.  Yes. An aspect or an avatar. Everything is part of the One.  

2.  Glys is corrupted. But, it might be a Truthwatcher spren ability. For instance, High Spren (skybreakers)  chose who hears and sees them, including their surgebinder.

3.  I think so.  Seems to align with one of the Windrunner virtues, leading.

4. I think later? On chapter 55 of my reread so unsure. 

5.  Not sure if there's any special significance.   Could be soulcast or altered by surgebinding.  

6.  Too much to unpack without its own dedicated thread. Largely a war of survival on the humans part and a war of genocide on the singers part.  The singers didn't want them around to begin with, and humans did things Singers didn't like.  

7. Greed, lust for power, axe to grind.  Giving your pain to Odium is definitely a thing. I'm sure some genuinely believed in the cause, as well. 

8. No. Someone switched then out.  Either because they wanted it or because they wanted to obscure Taln's identity.  

9.  A bit previous to the Recreance and "false desolation." Every generation of Knights Radiant learned "the truth," but was bolstered and reassured by Honor. That was the first generation where that didn't take place.  (Roughly 2000 years ago, 2500 years after the "Last Desolation")

10. Good question.  Odium's investiture may have been Obscuring.  Also. The surviving humans were using Aluminum to shield soulcasters from detection. 

11. Jasnah may have. It's a good bet Nale and some of his skybreakers have as well. 

12.  Another Lightweaver imprisoned her and "understood" her. I think it has something to do with that. Though Shallan's madness and fractured soul may play a part.  

13. Pattern was sensing the existence of the gem library/archive.  The Shadesmar part was an assumption on Shallan's part. 

14. I think Nale would only recruit those he thought would make good skybreakers.  The High Spren trust his judgment and won't bond anyone doesn't vouch for.

15. I don't think we do. He might have, Helaran was a skybreaker apprentice who hadn't bonded yet.  

16. Tien

17. I'd say so.  She mentions oaths that Teft swore.  

18. Because Kaladin exists.  

19. Cuz Lift is freaky! Lol I think because she has abilities that's shouldn't be possible under normal circumstances.  

20. Because Mr. T gave Graves permission to follow his own interpretation of the Diagram.  Killing Elhokar was Grave's jam.  

21. We know they have them. That's about it.  

22. Esoteric knowledge is the Truthwatcher jam. Also might have to do with his corrupted spren and Renarin possibly voidbinding. 

23. Might have to do with efficiency of voidlight and how it operates. For instance, surgebinders accelerate faster, but voidbinders attain higher top end speed. 

24. Never a slave, his Bridge 4 tat is on shoulder. 

25. No. Its the hue not the color.  Dark gray would be dark eyes, tan lighteyes. 

26. No sure about this. Possibly looking for something specific. 

27. Nahel Bond

28. Souls are easier to detect there and some burn. Brighter than others.

29. I don't think we know much.

30. Skybreakers. Dead to the world.  

Great amswers. Thank you. Didn't know about the High Spren being the spren of Skybreakers

On 11/7/2020 at 6:15 AM, Honorless said:

 

Thank You! I have to research more details about your answers to questions 4, 11 and 26

On 11/6/2020 at 9:12 PM, Nameless said:

I think so.

I think it's because Glys stays inside Renarin. I haven't though about this before, but maybe Renarin has a gemheart?

He didn't do it on-screen, but I think so.

The first desolation was probably because of human greed, possibly Odium's interference, but the later ones were probably due to the fused.

Because they wanted power, thought the parshmen were right, or any other reason humans normally take sides in a war.

It was switched out during the journey to the shattered plains.

I don't think we do, although he was still alive during the recreance.

I would guess it was because of the influence of one of the unmade, although we don't know for sure.

Jasnah might have, but we have not seen anyone gain Plate onscreen.

You saw Shallan finding Re-Shepir, Jasnah didn't. For Jasnah, it seems like Shallan just found one of the unmade out of nowhere.

That is his spren, which he has already begun bonding. I believe he has said the first two oaths.

Because the Knights Radiant did return.

It was actually between Lift and Cultivation, and I would guess that the Stormfather was commenting on how Lift seems to be stuck partially into the cognitive realm.

Graves thought that killing Elhokar would make Dalinar into a warlord again, which is what the diagram wanted, while Taravangian wanted to kill Dalinar immediately.

Because it would have wasted wasted too much voidlight. I believe that when the fused use lashings on themselves, they are incredibly efficient, while doing so on other people is much less so.

He was never a slave. He joined the military, and they put him into the bridge crews.

It doesn't matter what color your eyes are, but what shade. A lot of darkeyes simply have a really dark shade of a lighteyed eye color.

I believe he is talking about the Nahel bond.

I believe he is talking about the skybreakers, and the way they began killing all the other Radiant orders.

Thank you. That was helpful!

Hi Everyone,

I am continuing my first reread of Oathbringer and trying to ask any questions I still can't find answers for, here on this subreddit.

Three previous posts gave me some much insight, so I am encouraged to keep posting similar topics

The links to the previous question posts are below:

Ch 83 to Epilogue: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/92532-oathbringer-questions-from-chapters-83-to-the-epilogue-33-questions/?do=findComment&comment=1099577

Prologue to Ch 18: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/92700-oathbringer-questions-upon-first-reread-prologue-to-chapter-18-33-questions/?do=findComment&comment=1102910

Ch 19 to Interlude 3: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/92745-questions-upon-first-reread-chapter-19-to-interlude-3-end-of-part-1-33-questions/?do=findComment&comment=1104220

Questions for this part:

1- Evi tells Dalinar that The One can be seen in the Valley of the Old Magic. Does she believe that the Nightwatcher is part of The One?

2- Why can't Rock see Glys?

3- Did Skar help Rock draw Stormlight? - because after he helps Lyn, he mentions this fact

4- Did anyone from Bridge Four bond with the leader of the Honor spren that Rock and Syl saw on the shattered plains while Bridge Four was training?

5- What were the Rock Formations that Navani saw while she was with Dalinar in his vision and she described as being like liquid frozen mid-motion?

6- What was the main reason the humans and the listeners fought during the desolations?

7- Why did some humans take the listeners' side in these desolations?

8- The Stormfather mentions to Dalinar that the blade retrieved from Taln in Kholinar is not his original honor blade. Do we know what happened to that blade?

9- Do we know when did Honor die exactly? Was it during the last desolation or after it?

10- Why couldn't the Stormfather see into Kholinar after the Fused conquered it?

11- Jasnah mentions to Shallan that a full radiant has armor as well as a blade. Has any radiant we know acquired a plate through the method of soeaking advanced levels of oaths?

12- Jasnah wonders how was Shallan able to find Re-Shephir in Urithiru while none of the soldiers in the tower could. Do we know the reason for this?

13- Pattern tells Shallan that the meeting room in Urithiru has memories in Shadesmar. Jasnah asks her to press him for more info. Do we know anything additional?

14- In the letter that the Ghostbloods left for Veil in her coat, they tell her that Nale either destoryed prospective knights radiant or recruited them to become Skybreakers, because Nale believes that people speaking the oaths of any of the other 9 orders hastens the coming of the desolations. Can Nale recruit a prospective Windrunner or Lightweaver for example into the Skybreakers order or is every prospective Knight locked in the order where he / she might fit in?

15- Did Helaran know about his mother's relation with a Skybreaker acolyte? Do we know who was her lover?

16- Who was the member of Amaram's army that bonded a spren and then was eliminated as per the Ghostbloods' letter to Veil?

17- Is the woman that Teft sees reflected in the water of the well, his future spren?

18- Why does Teft say that he was mistaken about his family, and that they weren't heretics?

19- Why does the Stormfather tell Dalinar that what happened between Lift and the Nightwatcher was "unnatural"?

20- Why did the Diagram want to kill Elhokar, and by doing that, giving the throne to Dalinar, while at the same time trying to murder Dalinar as well?

21- Do we know the status of these 3 shardblades in the Fused's possession: blades of Eshonai, Graves and Moash?

22- How did Renarin know that all the fabrials in Urithiru are just one big fabrial?

23- Why didn't the Fused lash Moash up in the sky while transporting him instead of carrying him?

24- Why doesn't Moash have slave brands like other Bridge Four members?

25- Is Teft light-eyed? - because it is mentioned he has dark green eyes

26- Kaladin was wondering why were the Fused attacking trading caravans? Do we have an answer for that?

27- In Taln's ramblings that Jasnah was reading about, he says that in the last desolation, the humans have discovered something unexpected. Any clue what that might be?

28- Why does Ivory tell Jasnah that if they want to find Taln, they should look in Shadesmar?

29- Jasnah mentions her childhood illness which apparently no one other than her remembers in addition to a single event in her life where she didn't use her brain. We probably will have to wait for book 10 to get this story but do we have any additional details or WoB I might have missed on this subject?

30- Which order is Ivory talking about when he tells Jasnah that only one of the orders survived through Death? Is it the Dustbringers or the Skybreakers? And what does that have to do with Death?

43 minutes ago, ftl said:

We don't know; we've only interacted with Malata. Different spren of the same order might tend to think pretty similarly, but they're still individuals, and the first spren of an order to bond someone is probably pretty unique. So no way to tell yet how similar Spark is to other spren of that order, or how similar other Releasers are to Malata.

My opinion is that whether someone has "ulterior motives" and whether align with Odium or not or not doesn't have much to do with their order, but more with themselves. I think over the next books we'll see a mixing - the battle lines will be drawn between team Odium and team Honor/Cultivation, but that won't always neatly map to radiant orders or species. We've already seen humans on both sides, and a small number of Singers on both sides (well, just Rlain). We've seen Skybreakers split, with most but not all of them for Odium at the moment. Malata's with the diagram, but that doesn't mean all Releasers will be.

I agree and that will be much more interesting this way

13 minutes ago, Karger said:

Reading between the lines it seems that the Sunnmaker is to blame for this.  It seems that a large number of shardblades and soulcasters are in Vorin hands.

Maybe we will get more info in the back 5 about the Sunmaker?

14 minutes ago, Karger said:

Amaram is a member of the sons of honor.  A group of religious idiots that Gavilar made use of.  They wanted to start a desolation to return the radiants and heralds along with the power of the Vorin church.  Mraize was also present and tried to kill Amaram not Taln.  His reasons are still unknown.

Do you feel the Diagram is also opposed to both groups or do they lean more on the side of Sons of Honor?

16 minutes ago, Karger said:

No.  I think this to be a reflection of Odium's vessel Rayse who would look Shin to a Rosharan.

But in that scene, Kal saw one of the Fused not Rayse. What do you think?

17 minutes ago, Karger said:

Malata does appear to be the real deal.  Contrary to popular belief all it technically takes to make a radiant are a spren and human who trust each other enough to make it work.  Spark seems to really hate humans and thought it was worth the possibility of death to get some payback.

It would be very interesting to know more about this specific order. They seem to be less "good" than the other 9

21 minutes ago, Karger said:

He is not a proto radiant.

What is the difference between a proto radiant and a radiant?

2 hours ago, Nae'blis said:

I dunno answer to most questions. Yet i will answer those i know. Nice questions by the by.

2) Though i am not sure, I guess the answer to this is there in Rhythm of war preview chapters. Venli POV.

3) Pretty sure he is dead.

4) He didnt try to. Infact he dosent even know taln. His sub-lord Roshone recoomended taln to army because of his fight with lirin. 

6) Not any that i know of.

7) Yes . either compassionate or intelligent a day.

8) She is. But then regarding knight radiants ideals...its how the spren see the ideals right? With honor dead and no one to guide them, i guess some sprens may go in direction they believe suits their ideals/ needs.

9) shardblade.

10) ig no. no

11) It is 'old magic'. Dalinars boon was that he will forget the events but curse was that he will forget everything. But she said she will give it back slowly, Nurturing dalinar. A cultivation thing.

12) There powers are most destructive and along with that dustbringer is similar to voidbringer. 

13) To warn the fused i believe. and stop its usuage.

14) Was it Veil? Not sure. though i guess its shallans health problem.

15) what he meant was that honor asked him to choose someone to show this visions( that is choose that guy as bondsmith). Now either because of being a bondsmith or something else dalinar can call anyone to his visions.

16) In cognitive realm(mind one) humans shadows are inverted(is ot only humans..i forgot)

17) I guess they are caused by two different unmades, so no.

18) Midnight essence special.

20) screams of dead shardblades can be heard only by radiants. aramam isnt one.

21) that pagan picture is of cultivation who is primarly worshipped by those in west, while she is from vorin country who worshippes honor. so its a religious view.

23) 9

28) Most probably the fused.

33) some associate stormfather to kalak. misconception.

 

Thank you for the info!

2 hours ago, Weltall said:

I'll take a swing at these.

1. Recall that when people talk about Soulcasting, they almost always mean ardents using the fabrials of the same name, because the fact that you can Soulcast through surgebinding is basically forgotten. It's why Jasnah has a fake Soulcaster in WoK, to hide the fact that she's doing it all on her own. The fabrials are extremely rare and nobody knows how to make new ones so Iri probably just doesn't have any. Pretty much all the ones we do know about are owned by the various governments, with the one that Shallan's family came into possession of being an exception that they have to keep secret.

2. Pretty much any question to do with the Ghostbloods and their goals is a big 'we don't know'.

3. It was Helaran's Blade and we know the person Kaladin killed is very dead because of the way the blade and plate behaved, so unless he gave his gear to someone else (contradicting everything we've been told about what he was doing there) it's pretty safe to say that Helaran's very dead.

4. Because the Sons of Honor want the Heralds to return to guide Roshar and reestablish what they think the proper form of Vorinism should be, so getting a Herald to join them is a pretty big deal. We don't know why the Ghostbloods wanted to kill him but the two groups seem opposed in a lot of ways.

5. No and no, though it's a reasonable assumption that she's in Urithiru somewhere.

6. It might have something to do with how Rayse 'looks Shin' to Dalinar, with the spren reflecting the Shard that they're Splinters of. We don't know yet why the Shin look different from the rest of the humans on Roshar (including peoples who migrated from worlds other than Ashyn) but it's probably going to come out whenever we get details on that critical period in history where so much Important Stuff happened.

7. Yes, his intelligence and compassion are inversely linked and change daily, the story about an illness hides this fact from the public.

8. The Radiants are an institution and everyone is pretty much reinventing it as they go along. We know that the Ideals can be extremely flexible and depend on both the Order you belong to (ie, some could see 'journey before destination' as referring to the whole species) and the individual surgebinder and their spren. There isn't a contradiction in Malata being a Diagramist and a Dustbringer.

9. We have no reason to think she isn't exactly what she presents herself as and by her own admission she was bonded to Spark before she approached the Diagram, so unless you want to imagine that she somehow James Bond-ed her way into wherever the Shin are holding the Honorblades and stole one without getting caught.. xD

10. I don't believe so.

11. Bear in mind that what the characters know isn't necessarily the truth. But the Old Magic appears to be something the Nightwatcher uses on people, while Dalinar went directly to the source and got a boon/curse that was wrapped up in one package and served Cultivation's interests very directly.

12. Yeah, because it sounds like 'Voidbringer', which is why they try to get people to call them Releasers instead. The name doesn't seem to have caught on with anyone outside the Order however

13. They're warning Odium's forces whenever they detect fabrials in use, they may be compelled to scream or it may be just how they've decided to signal what they're detecting. It certainly gets attention quickly.

14. Some of it seems to be Re-Shephir's influence on Shallan but it also probably has to do with Shallan's personas and how she starts losing herself in them over the course of the book.

15. No, they're two separate statements. He uses the visions to find potential Bondsmiths but whether they become surgebinders or not is up to them. Sending the visions as a way of communicating is just something he realized he can do now that he's spent time bonded to Dalinar and doesn't imply that everyone who sees the visions in this way is a potential Bondsmith.

16. We know that reversed shadows have a common source and it seems to be a Cognitive Realm thing.

17. Same things, Midnight Essence.

18. The Midnight Essence is a Re-Shephir thing, which is why she's known as the Midnight Mother.

19. No, for various reasons. You need a recovered and intact body to be Soulcast in the first place, you need somebody nearby with one of the fabrials and you need to be able to pay for the service, so it's a safe bet that plenty of lighteyes (even important ones) don't get the Soulcaster Funeral treatment. But the ones whose families can afford it, yeah.

20. Amaram isn't bonded to a spren, so he doesn't hear the screaming when he touches a deadeye blade.

21. While we don't know how the religion developed, Vorinism treats Honor (the Almighty) as the only divinity, meaning that Cultivation is seen as a pagan goddess

22. It's presumably because they both share the Surge of Illumination.

23. There are nine of them

24. Shallan has a mental block where it comes to the fact that she killed her mother with Pattern. She deals with it by creating Radiant as a new persona that can deal with it, meaning that when she as Shallan summons Pattern it causes some issues. Again, it's setting up that whole plot thread that Shallan has to deal with during the story.

25. We don't know, but the fact that a Bondsmith was essential to the plan to capture Ba-Ado-Mishram is suggestive.

26. Not that we know of, nor do we know what type of spren he is for that matter.

27. Dunno, maybe he just had a flair for the dramatic.

28. The fused. Note that later in the book we see references to Knights Radiant as gods, in the same sense.

29. We don't know yet, either someone was given it or Team Odium is sitting on it and waiting for the right person to hand it off to.

30. Nope, the transformed listeners from the end of WoR are Regals (bonded to voidspren that give access to Forms of Power) while the Fused are the Cognitive Shadows of singers from long long ago when humans first arrived on Roshar, possessing the bodies of their distant descendants. Kaladin has no way to know any of this however.

31. The Parshmen are the ancient singers who had their Connection and Identity damaged as an unexpected consequence of the aforementioned sealing away of BAM, the listeners (Parshendi) were a group that fled beforehand and weren't affected, but lost access to almost all of their Forms. Post-Everstorm Parshmen had their Connection/Identity restored (with some tweaks as they now take after the humans in the regions they were inhabiting) and are now able to bond with voidspren to take those more advanced Forms again, and as mentioned the Fused are their own special thing.

32. She gets the sense that something is missing in Re-Shephir and thinks that maybe at one point she was human. This almost certainly isn't the case but we know the Unmade were 'first made, then unmade' so she's probably not entirely wrong. Again bear in mind that the characters don't know a lot of things and a lot of their knowledge is (to our perspective) either inaccurate or flat-out wrong.

33. We know there's a belief in land within the Origin (see the story Hoid tells about the Wandersail) and we've seen a similar conflation of Jezrien and the Stormfather so it's probably just more of the same.

This was illuminating! Especially the referrals to WoB. Thank you!

Regarding Malata, does that mean in your opinion that all Dustbringers have ulterior motives / their spren want vengeance for the recreance?

10 hours ago, kaellok said:

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And answers to all your questions!  Hidden behind spoilers because this got super-long.  There are some spoilers for Oathbringer here, but I tried to heavily limit them for now since you're re-reading it.  Also, I am too, and so I've forgotten some of what I remember.

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1. Odium was not captured in a gemstone, nor was he released.  We know that he has been trapped in the Roshar system by something that Honor did.  At least some of the Unmade, which are ancient and terrible spren born of the power of Odium, were imprisoned in perfect gemstones.

2. The reason the Listeners fled their gods is because they liked being individuals, instead of bodies to be inhabited by their ancestors (who, as a result of the possession, destroyed their minds.) (I'm in the middle of a reread of Oathbringer right now, so I might be mis-remembering this a little bit, or putting my own assumption here.)

3. I don't think that we know the 9 shadows are the 9 Unmade, but it's a really good assumption.  There has been at least one novel that Sanderson has written where there is a contest of Shardic Champions, and basically it's the power of Inifinity vs. the power of Infinity.  That was at least somewhat unique to that situation, though, so it will likely play out differently this time.

4. I don't think the differences between Stormlight and Voidlight has been explored in detail in-book yet, nor has the difference between the Surges.  Look to Renarin and Venli on-screen.

5. The visions as a whole aren't wrong just because one line from one person in one vision gives the generally accepted truth by the vast majority of all humans to have ever lived on Roshar, even if that supposed truth is a lie, and even if the person saying that knows it's a lie (and there's strong reason to believe that if Kalami was modeled after a real person that Kalami would have believed what they said to be the truth).

6. The Singers (parshmen) pre-date Honor, Cultivation, Odium, and humans.  Honor and Cultivation pre-date Odium and humans.  Odium and humans traveled to Roshar at approximately the same time, but Sanderson has been cagey about whether they traveled together, at exactly the same time, etc.  (Source: answers to questions the Sanders has given over the years.  Nothing at all in-text.)

7. Dalinar is busy trying to lead all the nations of the world.  Kaladin is busy scouting Kholinar, and also seeing to his family's safety.  That leaves exactly two known Radiants.  If you're someone who has a hard time giving up an ounce of power once taken, do you give that to someone you know, or some rando who might, possibly, at some point, show up?  Also sometimes giving people responsibility causes them to rise to the occasion to become worthy of it.  (I love Shallan and Renarin, but boy howdy do they not do this in Oathbringer lol).

8. Speculation abounds!  But doubtful.  After 3 novels, we have not seen any evidence that epigraphs from an in-world book will be seen outside of the our-world book sharing its name.

9. Voidlight is different, and operates under different rules, than Stormlight.  Why does plugging a D-cell battery into your wall outlet not charge it?  They're both electricity, right?

10. There is very strong significance to the general timing of Dalinar being able to hear Evi's name again, and recovering his lost memories.  We don't know that it just happened at that particular second, because how often do people go around mentioning his dead wife's name when he's nearby?  (Not very.)  But recovering those memories, gradually, is part of Cultivation's plan, who has always been much better at Foresight than Honor was.

11. Vorin is a religion that places the Almighty, god, above the Heralds.  Those are two distinct aspects to the religion.  The Azish worship the Heralds, but not the Almighty.  So, while they are heretical and blasphemous, there's actually a lot of similarity there.  Think the difference between Protestants and Catholics.  As for why the Azish believe the way they do, probably because it makes sense for the religions of the world to have a fractured history of what happened and get different aspects of it right and wrong.  If everyone believes the same thing, then everyone is the same amount of right and wrong; having people have different things right and wrong is more interesting than everyone being the same.

12. Navani has very strong faith, and faith in what she believes.  That does not mean that she also has very strong adherence to the mortal strictures that have come into place over time.  There is no contradiction.

13. If you're asking which specific oaths Navani broke before, I can't think of any off-hand.  There's probably allusions to them to be found in-text somewhere that I have missed, or it may be something that we'll encounter later, or it could be that the oaths weren't anything that we as readers would consider important or worth mentioning but that the very literal embodiment of keeping promises does.

14. Vorinism is about the worship of the Almighty.  They believe that all authority comes from the Almighty.  They do not recognize any relationship between spren and the Almighty, at all. Honestly, there would probably be less friction with the ardents if Elhokar had married them, because the ardents do say that Elhokar holds the throne due to the will of the Almighty.  Think about it this way--how would the Pope react if Prince William said that he was going to be married, as a Catholic, by the Ghost of the Tower of London?  And oh, by the way, the Ghost of the Tower of London is actually the ghost of Jesus Christ, so it's all legit and legal and perfectly fine?

15. Time and again it's said that ardents are slaves, but they're not like other classes of slaves that we see in-world (like Kaladin was, or like the parshmen were) nor are they like most slaves that we have seen in our world.  They more closely resemble the idealized 'educated and respected indentured slave' that appeared in Roman days, although tend to be highly exaggerated in modern times.  People can leave the ardentia, and while Kabsal isn't necessarily to be trusted, Shallan did not doubt his word when he said that he cannot be forbidden to leave.  So joining the ardents allows you to be a scholar, gives you shelter, food, and the like, and you can leave when you want; in turn, you also have to deal with some religious rules, and do what the Brightlords tell you when they tell you (which, honestly, you'd have to do anyway).  The type of slavery that they mostly seem to experience is one of not being free to go where they will as they will, and so the cost may have seemed very small for the benefits that he gained.  Especially if Kadash also was seeking forgiveness from the Almighty for the terrible actions he was responsible for.

16. I could be wrong, but I'm 100% sure that Syl is referring to Tien.  I'm also 100% sure that Tien could have grown into a Radiant, although likely something along the lines of a Truthwatcher or Lightweaver instead of a Windrunner like Kal.

17. The Stormfather summoned a Highstorm against the Everstorm because he's...cranky...at humans.

18. I can't think of other explicit synergies between powers off hand besides the map you reference.

19. Dalinar probably says that because it's true.

20. Renarin has seen the future before.  He hasn't reacted well when what he saw was coming true around him and threatened him directly, but this might be an occasion where he is directly faced with a vision of the future that wasn't about his impending death for a change.

21. The red lights floating in the Everstorm are corrupted spren floating around.  Syl sees them from time to time in WoR as well.

22. Anyone who has Bonded a spren should hear a deadBlade screaming when they touch it.  Pretty sure other spren can hear it as well, at least the sentient ones.  Others who have a similar connection between the Cognitive and Physical Realms would probably hear it, too, but other than Radiants those are fairly rare on Roshar.

23. The Stormfather answers as unhelpfully as he does because he is...cranky...at humans.  Or because Sanderson made him that...cranky...because otherwise critical plot points would be given away way too early or Dalinar would act out of character by not answering.

24. I can't recall of anything specifically happening in the negotiations between the supposed Voidbringers and Azir or Iri or nations in that part of the world.  I'm sure we'll see more of that pretty immediately in RoW, though.

25. Oathgates have been fairytales for centuries.  Anyone who knew died long ago, and anyone who believes now is someone who is desperately looking for answers and believes that the fairytales may contain truth they are seeking for.  (See: Jasnah.)

26. Thaylenah is one of the Silver Epoch Cities.  And they probably follow the Passions because it seems a lot less restrictive and prohibitive than the Vorin religion is, and they seem to be very much a nation of people that prize independence.  Vorinism would be a hard-sell that hasn't managed to adapt enough yet for large-scale converts.

27. Roshar is a big place with a lot of people.  We see dozens, maybe hundreds of named people on screen.  There were likely thousands, but not tens of thousands, of Radiants at the height of their power.  We also saw quite a few examples in WoR and Edgedancer of other Radiants and proto-Radiants, so we know that they are starting to appear even if their appearance doesn't play a giant role in Oathbringer.

28. The Parshendi that fought at Narak at the summoning of the Everstorm had largely assumed the form of Stormform, which requires them to have bonded (this is probably the wrong word, but I'm sticking to it) a specific type of spren during a Highstorm.  Khen and their people have not done this, as their minds remain entirely their own.  They are not in warform, or else Kaladin would have noticed that right away.  So it could be workerform or nimbleform, or possibly an unknown form instead.

29. Pattern is a Cryptic spren.  If he dies, other Cryptics will nominate one of their number to continue his work.  They have one of the great societies built in Shadesmar.

30. Honorblades were crafted directly from Honor's power, by Honor's Will.  The Stormfather may or may not predate Honor (Highstorms definitely do).  However, Honor also 'prepared' the Stormfather to take up some portion of His power after being Splintered, and so a large part of the Stormfather's power now is of Honor, even if it wasn't always the case.  There is probably more of Honor in the Stormfather now than in any one Honorblade, but there might be more of Honor in the 10 Blades combined than there is in the Stormfather.

31. The Honorblade that Szeth was using, that Dalinar now has, grants all the powers of a Windrunner to whoever wields it.  There are 9 other Honorblades.  Each Honorblade grants access to two of the Surges, and presumably mimics the same pairing as the Orders of the Radiants.  iirc, the 'stick Lopen to the wall' Surge is Adhesion, which is shared by Windrunners and Bondsmiths.  Windrunners and Skybreakers share a different Surge, which allows both of them to fly (although with the combination of the two, Windrunners have superior mobility in the sky).

32. Saying 'if the king is captured the game is lost' is foreshadowing for sure.  In every story to have ever been told, or that will ever be told.  Even in a story in which there are no kings, and nobody has ever heard of kings, and nobody knows what a king might be--it's still foreshadowing because the reader knows.  It may be a very deliberate red herring to make us think that we know where the story is headed, but it was absolutely placed there for that specific reason.

33. The copycat murders are directly and conclusively, 100% cause and effect addressed at the end of Part 1.

 

LOLLLLL so funny!! thank you for the detailed info and the sense of humor

9 hours ago, Honorless said:

Some of your questions might be answered by the Coppermind, which is like a Wikipedia of Brandon Sanderson's works, do look into that! 

Thank you for the detailed answers!

Hi guys,
I am "rereading" OB on Graphic Audio after physically finishing it just to make sure I understand all the intricacies of the plot before DS and RoW. I am having some questions which I am sure you guys on this board will be able to help me with, being the subject matter experts

I want to try to finish the reread before November 17 in order to evade any potential spoilers while I post my questions. I know the number of questions is somewhat large but I am giving it a go. Any answers are appreciated.

I am planning to make a similar answers request post every 20 chapters or so in order not to have too many questions in the same post.

So for the chapters from the Prologue to Ch 18:

1- How was Odium previously captured in a gemstone and how was he released? Was this part of the plot alluded to / explained or not yet?

2- Do we know why did the listeners escape their gods? Or will it probably be addressed in RoW?

3- We know now that the 9 shadows of Odium's champion are the 9 unmade. When Amaram was overtaken by one of the unmade he was given access to all surges. So what do you think Odium's champion will have access to with all 9 unmade at his disposal?

4- What is the difference between the surges given by the Nahel bond between higher spren and humans and the "voidsurges" provided by the bond between voidspren and parshmen?

5- Knowing that the humans are the actual voidbringers, does that mean that Kalami's story about the voidbringers and Dalinar's visions where he fights black shapes are false? In his visions, Dalinar thinks he is fighting voidbringers, while in reality the humans were the transgressors. So are his visions wrong?

6- Who was the parshmen's god before the arrival of the humans to Roshar? Did Honor, Cultivation and Odium exist on Roshar before the humans's arrival?

7- In chapter 2, Dalinar tells Renarin that Renarin and Shallan will have to lead the radiants. Do we know what he meant by this?

8- In chapter 4, Navani is writing her memoirs. Do we know if these memoirs will be the name of a future SA book or whether we will see them in future chapter epigraphs?

9- Why doesn't the everstorm charge spheres with voidlight?

10- Is there a significance to the moment Dalinar was able to hear Evi's name for the first time? Why at that moment precisely?

11- Why did Navani say that the Azish were "almost" Vorin? And why do they put the Heralds above the Almighty?

12- When talking to Dalinar before their marriage, Navani proclaims that she is more religious than most other women but then tells him she doesn't mind if a "confused dishwasher" marries them. Does that contradict her proclamation?

13- During the ceremony between Dalinar and Navani, why did the Stormfather tell Navani that she broke oaths before?

14- Why doesn't the vorin church accept the notion of spren having religious authority, for example to marry people?

15- Why did Kadash willingly accept to be a slave as an ardent?

16- When Kaladin visits his parents, Syl tells him she remembers them. When he presses her for more info, she says "there was a voice pure with a song like tapped crystal". What does she mean?

17- Why did the Stormfather summon a highstorm against the first everstorm? Was he instructed to do so?

18- When Shallan and Dalinar feed off each other to create the map, it shows the first synergy between two radiant orders. Do we know of any effects of similar interactions between different orders?

19- In the preface of his book, why does Dalinar say that the heresy thoughts were with him since he was a child?

20- What was the issue with Renarin staring weirdly at the murdered body in Urithiru? Does it have anything to do with his corrupted spren?

21- When Kaladin asks the ardent in one of the villages about what they saw during the everstorm, she tells him that they saw red dots in the night, but that those were not the eyes of the parshendi. What were they?

22- Are knights radiant the only ones who can hear dead blades screaming?

23- When Dalinar asks the Stormfather what happened during the Recreance, why did the Stormfather refuse to answer and told him that there are things better left unsaid?

24- Did anything come out of the alleged negotiations between the Azish and the voidbringers? or between Iri and the voidbringers?

25- Before the discovery of the oathgate at Narak, did the people know that the monuments in their respective cities were actually oathgates but they didn't know how to activate them?

26- Isn't Thaylenah one of the Vorin kingdoms? How come they follow the "passions"?

27- In his first meeting with Queen Fen, Dalinar tells her that he expects Knights Radiant to start appearing all over Roshar. How come we don't see anyone new other than Malata?

28- What is the difference between Khen and her people from one side and the parshendi that fought in the battle of Narak? Why the difference in carapace color and the difference in powers granted by the Everstorm?

29- Pattern tells Shallan that if he dies, "they" will send her another spren. Who does he mean by "they"?

30- Are the honor blades and the Stormfather both a part of Honor?

31- What is the surge that Dalinar uses to bind Kadash to the ground during their fight? It is the same one that Szeth and Kaladin use. Can Bondsmiths, Windrunners and wielders of honor blades use a common surge?

32- In the card game that Kaladin explains to his parshman captor, he tells him "if the king is captured, the game is lost", do you think there is foreshadowing in that about Elhokar? Dalinar? Jasnah maybe?

33- Do we know how were the copycat murders done?

1 minute ago, Honorless said:

Can be inferred from the books themselves but confirmed via WoB, both Returned and Heralds are Cognitive Shadows.

Neat!

8 minutes ago, Honorless said:

Happy to help!

All things in the Cosmere, including people, exist in three Realm of existence: the Physical Realm, where their body resides, the Cognitive Realm, as the name implies, is the realm of the mind, and the Spiritual Realm, where one's Spiritweb or Spiritual DNA (sDNA) resides. When a person dies, their Connections between the three Realms are severed. Their body remains (usually) to decay into the soil, their Cognitive self passes on to the Beyond (whether that is the Afterlife or non-existence is left up to the reader's interpretation), and Spiritweb also eventually decays back into Investiture, going back to the Cosmere. Sometimes instead of passing on, the person's Cognitive self can linger behind as, what is called a Cognitive Shadow due to having to much Investiture. Different kinds of Cognitive Shadows exist within the Cosmere: we've seen them on almost all the worlds.

That's very interesting!

Do we know that Shashara and Shalash are Cognitive Shadows from WoB?

On 10/21/2020 at 10:06 AM, EggArdent said:

i will try my best to answer these

 

4- nightblood is something else entirely, but it may have been inspired by shardblades, azures sword is... odd its like half shard but made kind of like nightblood i think, and investiture can be converted if you have the means to do it

5- no, not as far as we know, because shardblades are parts of spren, so summoning dead shardblades and sprenblades wiill just get a reaction from the spren. honorblades though i am not sure

6- I think it depends on if they knew his father or not, szeth gives the excuse of not soiling his fathers name and making things harder for him.

8- nightblood still turns things into smoke

10- nightblood is not a spren and yes, it is the same as breaths

11- maybe, copper hides things allomantic wise and stores memories feruchemical wise it stores memories so im not sure. and i cant delve into it deeper without spoilers for people not reading the preview chapters.

12- two things, bondsmiths dont really do violence, or at least keep it to a minimum, and also the stormfather dosent want to.

13- the metal that falls from the sky is aluminum, which is magically inert and will just absorb investiture. shardblades cant cut it like other things but will still cut like you were using a normal sword. 

15- yes, which is all of them any blade or plate that is used by a non-radiant is a dead spren and will scream for people bonded with spren.

16- ico's daughter is probably timbre

18- its either lies or most of her physical form was destoryed and the rest was captured.

19- spren are native to roshar and so are the singers, but when the humans came to roshar from ashyn they started worshipping honor instead of odium then when the desolations happened honor and the spren sided with humans while the singers sided with odium.

20- my best guess is that it is because dalinar was both odium and honors pick to be their champion

21- vasher probably has been to the nightwatcher and might have shared something, the nightwatcher is also really old so it had ample time to talk to cosmere aware people who might have known a bit.

22- his wife's name, his curse from the nightwatcher was to forget everything about his wife, not just the battle where she died

23- yes, odium will look different to singers and humans mostly just to make them feel more comfortable

25- I dont think lift ever actually got her curse and boon as far as we know, but she asked to stay the same, or remain young, but what actually changed about her was that shes nnow partway in the gognitive realm and can touch spren.

26- amaram bonded to yelig nar bot thats all, and the red smoke is nergaoul or the thrill

27- bonding with yelig nar gave him access to all 10 surges. so it was either soulcasting into something or he shaped the stone into a more liquid like form

28- heralds are dangerous, and I think they also wanted to test if the knife would actually permanently kill one

30- yes

31- szeth lost it, then kaladin gave it to dalinar who hid it, then it was stolen by fused and given to moash

32- some men still learn to read just like some women learn to fight most of them bieng ardents, its more of a taboo than anything

33- if dalinar touches the cloth he will hear the screams of the dead spren the blade is made of.

 

I hoped this helps

 

Many thanks for your answers. I really liked how you explained questions 11,12 and 25!

On 10/19/2020 at 3:45 PM, Honorless said:

I'll try to answer all of them, also great job on the note-taking!

Many thanks on the detailed answers!!

For your answers to questions 3, 4, 9, 15 and 24 were specifically eye-opening!

One question - what do you mean when you say Shashara and Shalash are cognitive shadows?

Answering your question, I am not following the preview chapters. I am preferring to wait for the release of the full book to indulge in it

I will try on the reread (audiobook) to take some notes for the chapters from the beginning to chapter 82. Thank you for your help! 

6 minutes ago, Nae'blis said:

3) Venli did bond two sprens. A void spren that gave her new form and timbre who makes her a radiant. As to whether other humans can do it or not, Brandon has mentioned it as theoretically possible though i dont think we will see this(personal opinion). Other listeners could have multiple bond.

4)Azures sword is not a shardblade, though it is hinted it is desinged after the shard blade. Nalthis and Roshar have magic systems that can substitute each other easily.

9) There are two people.

10) Nightblood when unsheated will drain any type of investiture including souls. Yes the process is similar. Every object has a spren ig. (not sure)But nightblood isnt 'a' spren.

12) I believe its a restriction on bondsmith order. Their powers arent meant for destruction, for unity hence they dont get a blade.

14) Well, Vedens i believe have red hair and is paler. not sure on llanguage.

15) Yes, the ones the ones whose oaths were broken. So all the shard blades before the new radiants.

16)Timbre .

17) Not sure but i believe he is saying szeth that all must act according to what they believe their oaths mean them to, and hopes they follow him.

18) Deatroyed as maybe captured in Urithiru and no longer a threath.

19) Roshar was once inhibated with listeners and spren lived with them. Humans came and began the desolation. Howerver for some reason they changed sides and joined humans leading to formation of radiant orders.

20) He was nurtured by odium to be his champion. And i believe being a resident of roshar or being a radiant makes u a child of honor(kaladin is reffered as son of tanavast).

22) he cant hear his wifes name when spoken by someone else.

24) Ig its a void spren.

25) That he wont kill her.

26) The thrill was the unmade there. Thunderclast arent unmade. And the araman bonded unmade

27) Most probably. yes

28) They saw passion in him and ig it is stated somewhere they are afraid to be near jezeiren.

30) yes

31) kaladin had collected it from szeth at the end of wor. Taravagian stole it from bridge 4 and maybe gave leshwi after odiums visit

33) if he touched directly he will hear the screams of the dead spren.

Thank you for the details!

5 minutes ago, Nae'blis said:

3) Venli did bond two sprens. A void spren that gave her new form and timbre who makes her a radiant. As to whether other humans can do it or not, Brandon has mentioned it as theoretically possible though i dont think we will see this(personal opinion). Other listeners could have multiple bond.

4)Azures sword is not a shardblade, though it is hinted it is desinged after the shard blade. Nalthis and Roshar have magic systems that can substitute each other easily.

9) There are two people.

10) Nightblood when unsheated will drain any type of investiture including souls. Yes the process is similar. Every object has a spren ig. (not sure)But nightblood isnt 'a' spren.

12) I believe its a restriction on bondsmith order. Their powers arent meant for destruction, for unity hence they dont get a blade.

14) Well, Vedens i believe have red hair and is paler. not sure on llanguage.

15) Yes, the ones the ones whose oaths were broken. So all the shard blades before the new radiants.

16)Timbre .

17) Not sure but i believe he is saying szeth that all must act according to what they believe their oaths mean them to, and hopes they follow him.

18) Deatroyed as maybe captured in Urithiru and no longer a threath.

19) Roshar was once inhibated with listeners and spren lived with them. Humans came and began the desolation. Howerver for some reason they changed sides and joined humans leading to formation of radiant orders.

20) He was nurtured by odium to be his champion. And i believe being a resident of roshar or being a radiant makes u a child of honor(kaladin is reffered as son of tanavast).

22) he cant hear his wifes name when spoken by someone else.

24) Ig its a void spren.

25) That he wont kill her.

26) The thrill was the unmade there. Thunderclast arent unmade. And the araman bonded unmade

27) Most probably. yes

28) They saw passion in him and ig it is stated somewhere they are afraid to be near jezeiren.

30) yes

31) kaladin had collected it from szeth at the end of wor. Taravagian stole it from bridge 4 and maybe gave leshwi after odiums visit

33) if he touched directly he will hear the screams of the dead spren.

Thank you for the details!

28 minutes ago, rhythmwraith said:

9- Shashara is one of the five scholars from nalthis (along with vasher, denth, arsteel and yesteel). Shalash (or Ash) is Jezrien’s daughter and is also one of the heralds. 
16- it is strongly theorised that Ico’s daughter is timbre (venli’s spren). Timbre mentions that the radiants did something to her grandfather and we see Ico’s father is a deadeye. 
27- Yelig-nar gives access to all the surges (I think) so that was amaram using the surge of cohesion. There’s a lot of confusion about what constitutes voidbinding currently but as far as I know it’ll be covered in ROW.

33- I can’t quite remember the context for this one but it seems like he takes it through the cloth because if he touches it directly, it screams.

Many thanks for your answers. Those are clearer now

Hi guys,

I just finished the first reading of Oathbringer, just in time before the release of Novella 3.5 and Book 4, and I am delving through this forum to read theories now that I am caught up on the SA books.

I am planning to listen to OB on Graphic Audio soon but starting with the last 35 chapters or so, I started taking notes on some of the unclear things to me. I am reading analysis articles about the book and the various events, but thought to ask you here the questions I have in mind because I am sure I have missed most of these answers.

So thank you again for those who have some answers to the below:

[SPOILERS BELOW FOR OATHBRINGER]

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1- Interlude I-7: Venli mentions that the Alethi mistakenly thought that the greatshells were the gods of the singers. Has this been discussed elsewhere? Is there more info on this point?

2- Interlude I-10: Is the Hog that attacks Sheler a greatshell or a new animal?

3- Interlude I-11: Did Venli bond two spren: the voidspren in her gemheart and Timbre? Can humans and other singers do the same or is it a unique case for Venli?

4- Ch89: Are Nightblood and Vivenna / Azure's sword shardblades? Do swords on Nalthis and Roshar contain the same type of Investiture?

5- Ch 89: Can a certain type of shardblades be summoned / used in Shadesmar: Honorblades, Dead Shardblades, Sprenblades?

6- Ch 92: Why do some people call Szeth by his dad's name (Neturo) and others by his grandfather's name (Valano)?

7- Ch 92: What does Szeth mean that he knew a voice similar to Nightblood's in his youth? We probably have to wait to his flashbacks to know more?

8- Ch 92: Why does Nightblood only burn eyes on Roshar?

9- Ch 92: Is Shashara from Nalthis the same person as Shalash on Roshar?

10- Ch 92: Is Nightblood's consumption of Stormlight on Roshar the same mechanism as him consuming Breaths on Nalthis - as both are types of Investiture? Is Nightblood a spren on Roshar?

11- Ch 99: Do the Spren use the copper on the ship in Shadesmar to communicate through vibration? Is this related to some Cosmere metallic quality (Should I find something in Mistborn about this)?

12- Ch 100: Why can't Dalinar use the Stormfather as a shardblade?

13- Ch 100: What is the metal that falls from the sky and can block a shardblade (is it also a reference to a metal from Mistborn)?

14- Ch 100: Why do Vedens look Alethi but speak a foreign tongue?

15- Ch 101: Are screaming blades only the ones left during the Recreance by the Knights Radiant?

16- Ch 101: Do we know who Ico's daughter is?

17- Ch 106: What does Nin mean when he tells Szeth: "The others must interpret what they have sworn before and I hope they will see the truth?"

18- Ch 108: Mythica book mentions that the Midnight Mother was destroyed at Aharietiam. How is she still in Urithiru?

19- Ch 109: What does Venli mean when she says that the spren betrayed the singers for the humans?

20- Ch 114: Why did the Nightwatcher call Dalinar both son of Honor and son of Odium?

21- Ch 114: How does the Nightwatcher know about Nightblood?

22- Ch 114: When Dalinar returned after meeting Cultivation, he hears only leaves rustling and thinks he should hear something else. What should have he heard? Screams of children?

23- Ch 115: Does Odium change his appearance depending on who sees him - Dalinar sees him human, Venli sees him as a parshman?

24- Ch 116: What are the yellow spren leading the Fused?

25- Ch 117: Why did Lift say that the Nightwatcher lied to her?

26- Ch 119: In the battle of Thaylen Field, there were 3 Un-made? The 2 in the Thunderclasts and Yelig-Nar as the Black Smoke, or there were any additional ones?

27- Ch 120: Amaram's transformation of the ground to liquid after ingesting the crystal (Yalig-Nar??) - is that some form of Voidbinding?

28- Ch 121: Why did the Fused instruct Moash to kill Jezrien?

29- Ch 122: What does Adrotagia mean when she tells Taravangian: "The Herald's insanity prompted us?"

30- Ch 122: Is Renarin's spren, Glys, still corrupted after the end of OB?

31- Ch 122: How did Jezrien's honorblade go from Szeth to Leshwi (who then gives it to Moash?)

32- Ch 122: Nohadon knew how to write and read. When did the men stop reading and writing?

33- Ch 122: Why did Dalinar "accept the sword "only through the cloth"? What does it mean?

Thank you for answering any of these; I know they are too many to be all answered by one contributor

Hi guys,

I discovered Brandon's work ealrier this year and I have just finished Oathbringer before Dawnshard and RoW are released

A plethora of info is on this sub and I will try to use it to get more detailed info from more veteran readers of the Stormlight Archive books. Best source online for this I believe. Great community!