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If for some reason they were fighting, who would win? EDIT: VIn as she was before she ascended in Hero of Ages, and Kaladin at his peak in Oathbringer

I agree that it seems unlikely Nale would ask for Nightblood, especially as he then gives it away to Szeth. But I do wonder why the Nightwatcher would frame it as a bane for Nale and a boon for Dalinar. Another interesting question is how the Nightwatcher acquired it. Was giving it up the bane of Vashar? If so, what was his boon?

Its sitting on my shelf, and something I plan to get to in a couple of days once I've read Elantris. Favourite character is definitely Vin- partly because she's the one that introduced me to it all. More of an unpopular opinion- I also love Shallan, not so much in way of kings but I thought what we got from her in Oathbringer was super cool. Also Szeth…. because why wouldn't he be one of your favourites

You could spike a beaver, but you could also do that to any human and get someone who could understand, and use, their powers much better, thus defeating the beaver overlord

It can be, as it can steal more than just magical abilities. It can steal things like strength, mental fortitude and intelligence. PHYSICAL COGNITIVE Iron Steals strength Steel Steals Physical Allomantic powers Zinc Steals emotional fortitude Brass Steals Cognitive Feruchemical powers Tin Steals Senses Pewter Steals Physical Feruchemical powers Copper Steals mental fortitude, memory, and intelligence Bronze Steals Mental Allomantic powers Chromium Might steal destiny Nicrosil Steals Investiture Cadmium Steals Temporal Allomantic powers Bendalloy Steals Spiritual Feruchemical powers Aluminum Removes all powers Duralumin Steals Connection/Identity Gold Steals Hybrid Feruchemical powers Electrum Steals Enhancement Allomantic powers SPIRITUAL TEMPORAL

While using I would say that using it on humans would definitely be wrong, there could be a case made for using it on animals. Imagine if you could take a cheetahs speed, or add a dolphins intelligence onto your own. In fact, taking an animals health and giving it to a sick person sounds perfectly moral, at least to myself, who values a human life above an animals. The risk is that by revealing it, even if you just intend to use it on animals, it could be used on humans against your will

My favourite book in the cosmere is definitely The Way of Kings, though the Well of Ascension definitely comes close- any book with Vin in would

According to the Coppermind: What exactly occurred is unknown, but it is thought that nearly everything on the islands was destroyed.[3][4] The largest island of Aimia is assumed to be altogether barren and lifeless.[5] However, the island of Akinah, which served as Aimia's capital, was not completely destroyed. Some crem-covered buildings can still be seen from its shores.[5] In her work Mythica, Hessi posited that Dai-Gonarthis may have been responsible for the scouring.[6] ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ While its not certain, as in the source we have Hessi herself only 'posited that Dai-Gonarthis may have been responsible', we do have an in world scholar who thought that the unmade, or at least one of the unmade, was responsible

Fair enough- I was just going off the information I had seen, but if there is something more recent that says otherwise I can accept that. Btw- I too questioned the 10 fabrials- to be it seems like we will see a lot more that 10

When you say 'for Ishar to ascend', do you mean to become odium, or just to take control of and unite the unmade, or something else entirely. Also super well researched and thought out theory- wow

Quantumplation (paraphrased) I haven't read Way of Kings yet, but I've read Warbreaker and Mistborn, and the thing I like most about them is the Magic systems. Will Way of Kings have multiple magic systems? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Depending on how you count it, Stormlight Archive will have 3 or 30 different magic systems. Footnote: Part of me wants to say he said "3, 10, or 30 different magic systems", but I can't remember for sure. Towers of Midnight Cambridge signing (Nov. 7, 2010) _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ rags You have told us there are more than 30 magical systems on Roshar. I am assuming there are 10 Surgebindings and 10 Voidbindings. Do the next 10 belong to another such classification? If yes, can you give us the name for it. Brandon Sanderson Fabrials are part of it. 17th Shard Forum Q&A (Sept. 26, 2012) _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Maybe there are some inaccuracies, but my interpretation of what is said here seems to suggest that there are indeed 10 forms of voidbinding, and it is accurate in that respect

I don't have a direct quote for this, but I am fairly sure we have WoB saying that there are 3 (or thirty) different magic systems on roshar, depending on how you look at it- surgebinding, voidbinding and fabrials. The two we know most about- surgebinding and fabrials- are very different, and so we could speculate that voidbinding will be equally different from both (with the obvious connections- such as spren and gems). Moreover, the thirty magic systems that he said there were can be divided up into 3 magic systems with ten parts (1o being roshar's number as you have already said). 10 orders of surgebinding and voidbinding (as shown by the charts), and we can then assume 10 types of fabrials.

Hello all! I started reading Mistborn just before the start of quarantine, and have since devoured the rest of Era 1, Era 2, Stormlight and Warbreaker, and am currently making my way through Elantris, and have been absolutely loving all of it! I have so many ideas and theories I want to discuss- but please be patient with me, my memory is questionable and I'll probably get a lot wrong- but I'm excited to learn!

I'm new here, so I'm sorry if there's some sort of online consensus about this, but the coppermind says: The abilities demonstrated by the Fused have so far been typical of Surgebinding, but it may be that their powers may be related to, or be a manifestation of, Voidbinding, or "Voidish Surges". It is currently unknown what system the abilities they have demonstrated fall under, and they might even belong to a yet unnamed system. If the observed abilities are not Voidbinding, it is possible the Fused might still have access to the system. It also says: The only ability currently confirmed to be related to Voidbinding is Renarin's ability to see the future. Though it is not known precisely how they are related, the Voidbinding chart was referenced as part of the confirmation. While I agree that the powers of the fused are linked to odium's power, I think that it is more likely that it is odium 'hacking' or gaining use of surgebinding, rather than a completely separate magic system. I think that voidbinding might have more to do with Renarin's abilities, and perhaps the voidspren.

While there are 9 orders of fused- its not confirmed that they were using voidbinding. The voidbinding chart (attatched) shows ten different orders, equivalent to the 10 orders of knights radiant

Of course- I can't believe I forgot that. But that would make voidspren very different from highspren. Highspren such as Syl are not sentient in the physical realm until they have fully formed a bond, and are close to their radient, instead appearing and acting like their lesser spren counterparts. Ulim is not bonded with Venli, and yet seems perfectly capable and distinguishable from lesser voidspren. Although, one must ask if voidspren even bond with people/ parshmen in the same way that highspren do. The oaths and bonds seem much more of honor than they do of odium, and it seems strange that odium would use them. Moreover, this topic is founded on the principle that truthwatchers are the bondsmith equivalent for voidbinding, and yet within surgebinding, it is the bondsmith who first created/ discovered the Nahel bond. Assuming that truthwatchers are the voidbinding equivalent of bondsmiths, are they responsible for the creation of voidbinding? And would voidbinding use something other than oaths and bonds- something more akin perhaps to the truthwatchers surges, or things associated with odium.

Do we even know that voidspren are a thing? We know that there are corrupted spren, and the unmade, but I believe that a separate class of voidspren is yet to be introduced- correct me if I'm wrong.

I think that the one in Aimia is still uncorrupted by Odium, and therefore not one of the unmade. The Scouring of Aimia probably happened in an attempt to find/ capture/ corrupt this last remaining one in order to cover all his bases. But if he failed, that explains why there is one dawnshard that is different from the rest.

I think that the unmade being the Dawnshards would fit both of these assertions. So far (and correct me if I'm wrong), it seems like each of the unmade aligns itself with a different surge (though perhaps a slightly twisted version, which could be accounted for by their corruption by odium), which means that by saying the dawnshards destroyed Ashyn, it would also mean the surges did.

I may be wrong, but aren't there 10 orders of voidbinding- the voidbinding chart, at least, seems to show this, which could suggest that odium's number is also ten. My theory is that the reason why there are only nine unmade is that they came from 10 other spren, of which odium corrupted or 'unmade' nine- he probably didn't choose to leave out the tenth, I imagine he was prevented. The question remains- what were they originally? Contrary to what @Darontal said, I doubt the unmade are the same as the sibling, as we know (I think, someone tell me if that is just speculation) that the sibling is the third spren that can make a bondsmith, the spren of Urithiru. Therefore, the unmade being the same as the sibling is unlikely, not only because that would mean one of the bondsmiths bonds with a spren of odium, but also because then we would have 12 spren capable of bonding with bondsmiths (the stormfather, nightwatcher, sibling, and the nine unmade), when we know that there can only ever be three bonsmiths at once. I think that, perhaps, the unmade were originally the dawnshards. Link to where this theory is discussed: Despite that sidetrack, I think that the sibling must be something different from the unmade