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All of the scenes in which Kaladin swore his ideals appeared in depth rattles. This has probably been laid out before but it's new to me

love this so much

10 minutes ago, Nameless said:

You must hate Dalinar.

Also an asshole and a bad parent. But no I don't hate him for all the obvious reason

F*ck Lirin. Such an asshole and bad parent

He wasn't executed 

Nah

"Not everyone deserves to be protected"

On 12/9/2020 at 8:37 AM, Govir said:

See, I've always thought that his "punishment" is really just a duty that he's trying to avoid. I would have to re-read (maybe just the beginning of RoW), but I don't think Rock ever uses the term "punishment".

So the rough outline of what I think happened: Rock has either always been some sort of important station with his people or became so when his group was killed after coming down from the mountain. Rock doesn't want to be that important station, and so delayed in returning (being a slave was a good excuse). But now that he has taken up the bow and fought, he can no longer ignore his duty and must return to his people. Rock is sullen because he will have to take up a mantle he does not want, and everyone else is thinking this means he will be punished.

Rock's punishment is certainly leadership 

I hope Brandon changes his opinion on this. No reason to shoehorn a name into an arbitrary thing

14 hours ago, mariapapadia said:

 But basically she was a scared child left with dealing with a sick mother, while her sister was out wondering the world and looked at her family as limited. I feel that it's natural for Venli to grow resentment towards Eshonai and want to compete with her.

This is an awesome point I didnt think about at all

I think Adolin is going to be our hero of books 6-10 and the biggest reason that will be possible is because he's NOT a Radiant. I haven't worked through all the possibilities yet but Adolin is being set up for some big developments in this book and because of timelines, those moments wont come in book 5

Raboniel was awesome. She was super valuable to build Navani's character to show how similar they were but still different at the same time. Also she was useful to show that not all the fused are the same or in agreement with each other. The Raboniel, Pursuer, Leshwi dynamic was great. All fused, all different

So I was really bored by the flashbacks in the book. I personally have no emotional investment in Venli as a character so seeing her come to be was not interesting to me in the least

BUT

I am very interested in what other people got from the flashbacks. I think other perspectives might make me appreciate them more. Your thoughts?

I absolutely hate Lirin and no ones mental gymnastics or rationalizations will convince me otherwise. Dude is a coward and a fool

Pretty sure Wit has stated explicitly that he's too old for almost everyone on the planet

She glanced to him, then—instead of being provoked—seemed to relax. Adolin had that effect on people.

Adolin the Allomancer (Soother)?

So this big long post to say "Azure and Shallan might work together"?

You didn't even actually conclude your post into a final thought

No way. Killing the Normie is way too easy, the Normie needs to live until the 2nd arc to be the leader 

My off the wall guesses are: another personality of Shallans or Adolin

Just now, Innovation said:

He probably just practiced dueling and learned tactics. 

seems pretty boring for one of our main characters 

Could Adolin be a/working with the Ghostbloods?

SOMETHING had to have been going on with him while his dad was away or drinking himself into a stupor during Adolin's youth. Who would we least suspect among Shallan's group to be a ghostblood agent?

It would make tons of sense for them to have approached him as a youth when he was vulnerable

If we are talking 5E. I think the best way to make a Surgebinder fit into the mold would be to have players be able to pick 1 surge at each class feature level. 3, 7, 11 etc. I would try to find existing spells that fit the mold of each Surge and maybe slightly modify as need to make sure the Surges aren't too OP.

I'm one of the few stoneward #1s. Nerd bros unite

Just now, Karger said:

I said problematic.  Read misleading.  Not wrong.

Its a persons opinion? He (and I) think the Veil personality is the most authentic and closest to the "real" Shallan.

There is nothing problematic or misleading about that. 

33 minutes ago, Karger said:

 Adolin for example would not consider Veil the most important part of Shallan because Veil lacks any real capacity for intimacy.  Jasnah would find Veil a summation of Shallan least valuable traits.  Her brother probably like Veil but none of them would stick their necks out for her.  .

Other characters opinions have absolutely no impact on the opinion that " the Veil personality is the most authentic and closest to the "real" Shallan."

20 minutes ago, Karger said:

I think that way of thinking is somewhat problematic.  Sure Veil is arguably the most complex of the three "fake", for lack of a better word, personalities Shallan uses but that does not mean she is the closest to the "real one" just that it is the one she uses most often and the one she gave more of herself to.  Adolin for example would not consider Veil the most important part of Shallan because Veil lacks any real capacity for intimacy.  Jasnah would find Veil a summation of Shallan least valuable traits.  Her brother probably like Veil but none of them would stick their necks out for her.  Veil is Shallan's idealized version of the parts of her that don't need help.

Nothing you said contradicts @Rainier 's post. Lost of strawmen in your post. Nothing is ever said about which personality is "most important" and other characters reactions to Shallan's personalities are all irrelevant when discussing which personality is the closest to Shallan's "real" personality