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On 12/10/2020 at 0:01 PM, Aspiring Writer said:

I think that's because of the connection he made with Daliner, not that he would normally have that ability. Am I mistaken in this line of thought?

Ishar's connection with Dalinar was to steal his Nahel Bond with Stormfather, which was broken by Szeth via Nightblood. It was after this when Szeth went "Krazi Kul" and notches the Honorblade of Ishar in the following fight. 

It was after this that Ishar summoned the perpendicularity to escape.

Ishar, imo, has summoned the perpendicularity many more times before, because this explains how he got the Radiant spren in their physical form (more like Humanoid). And experimented with them.

Vedel is the crazy doc. who did it. I speculate this.

On 12/8/2020 at 10:44 PM, StanLemon said:

Oathbringer also implies that no Bondsmith before Dalinar could open a Perpendicularity like he does. Maybe this has to do with Honor being dead and not holding them back anymore. I think there are going to be more new uses that even the Fused won't be prepared for. A Bondsmith unchained as you put it might be comparable to a Fullborn in power. I personally think they are able to do their feats because their Spren are particularly powerful Splinters that allow them to do more with the Cognitive and Spiritual parts of their Surges

Point to be noted.... After Odium killed Tanavast a.k.a Honor, Tanavast's cognitive Shadow merged with Stormfather making the spren more like the dead Vessel. 

This is from chapter 119, Unity of Oathbringer...

A Dalinar viewpoint.

Spren, powerful splinters, yes, helps that.

More that now there is no Tanavast/Honor's laws binding them. So that is what I think makes Ishar a Bondsmith Unchained. If this, why not anyone with the specific pair of surges could do it, irrespective of the way an individual attained it?

On 12/8/2020 at 10:43 PM, Harrycrapper said:

You have 3 Bondsmiths from the three Godspren, 1 from the Honorblade and 1 from a proposed Odium Bondsmith. How did you get to 7?

Would proposed this Odium Bondsmith??

On 12/2/2020 at 3:57 AM, MyrmidonOfAchilles said:

We know you could get a new resonance from using surges from honorblades or two spren so presumably you get a currently existing one of Tension and Adhesion.

 

Do u think our Gagadin will bond a Peakspren?

On 12/2/2020 at 3:52 AM, Halyo_Alex said:

Basically Ishar's Honorblade is server admin mode :U

He he. 

Only if our poor Jezrien fought like Ishar did then Teft and Phendorana wouldn't have died....

 I am so curious...

Maybe Rayse referred as u will become a member among the Fused. Also the Fused emphasize so much on singer culture from transforming Kholinar to tailoring their dresses accordingly.

Plus see Eila Stele. We still don't know much about the swap between the singer and human gods. Also Dalinar sees in Stormfather's visions that ordinary humans fought aside Singers during the desolations.

 Perhaps that is why El is so sympathetic towards humans ...

What are his abilities though??

And is he Taravangian's champion now? 

Ishar the once Herald of luck is now completely insane as we see in RoW. Good job Odium!

And now, he has somehow gotten his Honorblade from Shinnovar, killing it's guardian Neturo-son-Vallano, Szeth's dad. This makes him a Bondsmith free from Tanavast/Honor's prohibitions on him. So he can summon perpendicularity of Honor, drain Radiants of their Stormlight and was able to form Connection with Dalinar to steal his bond with Stormfather.

All because now he has his Honorblade to grant him the surges of Adhesion and Tension. Also that he is experienced and knowledgeable in Bondsmithing.

So the question is Can anyone do this if he/she -

1) Has bond with both Peakspren and Honorspren, or

2) Has a bond with a Peakspren and Jezrien's Honorblade, or

3) Has bond with Taln's blade and an Honorspren, or

4) Has bonded with both Taln's and Jezrien's Honorblades

Also point to be noted - Narratively both these Honorblades of Taln and Jezrien are placed in such a way (Taln's not known where and Jezrien's with Moash, still) that point 2, 3 and 4 are invalid. 1 is way more difficult to do. 

So at the end is it the pair of surges or the uniqueness of Bondsmith sprens that allows one to do such incredible feats??

Meleshi was male I think....

On 11/24/2020 at 11:38 PM, Golstar said:

Scadrial has three magic systems. We didn't learn about all of these until way into the Mistborn books. Some of the more exotic combinations weren't revealed until Era 2. Could there be magic system(s) on Roshar that we don't even know about yet?

1. The whole corruption deal seems different than Surgebinding and Voidbinding. It doesn't involve surges, but instead does strange things to investiture. That some who use it dislike the term corruption indicates there is something deeper.

2. Ars Arcanum says Voidbinding is cousin to Old Magic. That seems a bit weird to me when all we know about Old Magic is that the Boons/Curses of Nightwatcher are related to Old Magic. 

3. Stormlight-powered Surgebinding seems very similar to Allomancy - consuming investiture to do magic. Could there be a Ferruchemy and/or Hemalurgy facsimile? 

4. Perhaps an unknown magic system might involve gaining power through the perception of others? A sort of Living Legend effect, where the idea of Kaladin Stormblessed becomes real. He gains the ability to do what people think he can do. Did the "Kaladin cult" empower him somehow?

5. A champion effect? Is Lift 'Lifeblessed' and Vyre (or El) 'Voidblessed'. Is there a particular magic on Roshar which allows blessing of individuals in a fashion unrelated to Surgebinding and Nahel Bonds (although a blessed might be very likely to attract one).

Vyre no more..... Went blind.

El. 

And I am Terrified!

Hey guys, I made an art of the Oathpact when it was made....

I got the inspiration from the fan art of "The Oathpact Abandoned" where nine of the Heralds left their Honorblades in a circular pattern.

It is a floral artwork of the Oathpact and the Ten black petals inside the inner circle represent the ten Heralds...

 Hope y'all like this...

On 7/31/2018 at 5:20 PM, Overlord Jebus said:

Chapter One: Oathbreaker

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Odium rested his hand on the shoulder of the huddled Dalinar Kholin. “It’s done, Dalinar. The pain has passed. Stand up and claim the station you were born to obtain.”

Alone.

Dalinar held a fist to his chest.

So alone.

It hurt to breathe, to think. He opened bleeding fingers and looked at his hand. A hand that had taken so much from so many. From himself.

Help me.

Dalinar couldn’t do this anymore.

It wasn’t my fault.

The cries started to fade. The pain that had almost overwhelmed him lifted. Dalinar’s body cooled and his muscles relaxed, his hand falling limply to the dry stone beneath him. In that moment, he felt peace for the first time since he could remember. Evi’s death wasn’t his fault, Odium had done that. His cravings for wine, his neglect of his sons, the death of his brother. That wasn’t him. That was the monster Odium had turned him into. Odium had taken his life and left it a trail of tragedies.

Dalinar climbed to his feet, looking up at Odium and felt hate.

Odium smiled back.

A fire deep inside Dalinar exploded. Rage and frustration and lust and passion. From deep within, Dalinar felt a terrible heat flow through him, his chest, his arms, his legs, his hands, his feet, his fingers, his toes. He felt it rise up his neck and burn across his skull. Dalinar lost control of what he felt, what he thought, all was a swirling mass of emotion.

D A L I N A R !

A voice cried in his mind, like a spear thrust into a hurricane. It was battered away and forgotten before Dalinar could even comprehend it. Dalinar felt a tugging inside before an awful slicing sensation. Dalinar had a momentary awareness of losing something vitally important before that too was swept away in the torrent burning through him.

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Kaladin held Adolin. The prince's breathing and heart rate had slowed far too much. He felt heavy, limp. Adolin had lost consciousness. Kaladin went cold. This wouldn’t end here. This couldn’t end here. Numb, Kaladin gently placed Adolin on the ground, indicating to Shallan to hold his head. Kaladin stood. He took his knife and faced the closest Fused. The armored face grinned at him as it kicked lightly off the ground, gliding slowly towards him, spear raised.

Kaladin lunged at the Fused, grabbing the haft of the spear and pulling it close to him, driving the knife forward. The Fused dodged the strike with ease, using the momentum of Kaladin's pull to twist out of the way and throw Kaladin to the ground. Dazed, Kaladin watched as the two Fused took Pattern by the arms and another two wrestled to restrain Syl. Shallan still knelt by the Adolin, the final Fused raising it’s spear for an executioner's strike.

A great thundercrack, like the sky breaking, sounded and a powerful gust of wind struck them. It threw the Fused that still hung in the air back whilst knocking those that weren’t already on the ground down. Beads clattered and roared. It felt like all the air was being sucked from one side of them to the other... Towards.... Towards Thaylen City.

Kaladin rolled onto his front and looked over to see a great pillar of black smoke and red lightning swirled near the far side of the Oathgate bridge. A great spinning mass that spread across the whole sky, coming down and reducing to a single point. A single golden light in the midst of thousands. The Fused around Kaladin recovered quickly and, upon seeing what was happening, took off whooping and cheering.

Syl had landed near Kaladin and had crawled towards him. She held his hand and looked out over Thaylenah.

Kaladin watched, not quite understanding, as the golden light at the nexus of the maelstrom wavered and faded until it was replaced with a fierce red light.

“No...” Kaladin heard Syl whisper. He looked over to find tears streaming down her face.

For a moment, Kaladin hoped the Fused had forgotten about them until one turned around and quickly flew towards Kaladin and Syl. It lay the flat of its spear on Kaladin's back before kneeling down beside him and pointing at the red and black mass.

“You see that, Radiant?” the Fused said, spitting the word like a curse. “That’s us winning.”

The Fused angled it’s spear and drove it down into Kaladin's back.

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Dalinar stood before Odium. He felt his enemy's presence inside him as clearly as he saw the old man in front of him. His mind was at war with his body. Hate and fury compelled his body to move, to strike out, but Odium, the presence he had let in held him back. Odium reached out and touched Dalinar's face.

“My champion, how do you feel?” Odium said as he tilted his head up, as if he was really looking at Dalinar for the first time “Ah, passionate, that’s good. Now...” Odium stepped back and held out a hand in front of himself. A line of red flame swirled into being around his hand, materialising into a great, golden Shardblade that fell into Odium's grip. The Blade's colour was so light it was almost white. Dalinar felt his head compelled to move, to look down the length of the Blade. It ended with a great curved hook.

Odium held the Blade out, presenting it to Dalinar.

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“Mistress!” Wyndle said. “Oh, mistress!”

For once, Lift didn’t have the will to tell him to shut up. She focused everything on those tendrils creeping up her arms, like deep, dark vines.

The assassin lay on the ground, staring upward, practically covered in those vines. Lift held them at bay, teeth gritted. Her will against the darkness until . . .

“Behind you!”

An arm looped under Lift's arms and threw her backwards. Lift flew through the air for a moment before hitting the ground. This wasn’t the first time Lift had been thrown through the air, though. She rolled with her landing and was able to spring back onto her feet.

“Did that sword just try to eat me?!” said Lift, looking down at the arms. Her hands were completely black and she struggled to move her fingers. The tendrils running down her arms didn’t fade.

“Mistress, I’ve only seen swords eat things in the Cognitive Realm so it wouldn’t be completely out of question for one to start eating you here in the Physical Realm,” Wyndle replied, his vines rising out of the ground next to Lift.

Lift pointed toward Szeth and the lithe Fused standing over him.

“What’s it doing?” She asked, as the Fused reached for a pouch on its waist and poured the contents over Szeth. Spheres, infused spheres. With the bag empty, the Fused dropped the bag on Szeth and pointed back towards the city. Lift heard it bark something at Szeth before it took off and flew into the air.

“Remind me I need to learn how to fly,” Lift said, running over to Szeth. She watched as the light of the spheres faded, the blackness retreating from Szeth's skin. Lift reached him just as he rose, the black sword still dripping smoke.

“What'd the voidbringer say?” Lift said.

Szeth looked back towards where Dalinar and Odium stood. Lift turned and could see something was happening between them.

“Our master has asked for me,” Szeth said.

“Oh, I was asking the sword,” said Lift, pointing towards the blade in Szeth's hands. Lift could still see traces of black on Szeth's fingers.

Szeth didn’t reply and launched up into the air and towards Dalinar, leaving Lift alone in the middle of the Voidbringer army.

“Mistress, don’t forget, you need to learn how to fly.”

---

“Fitting, don’t you think?” Odium said, inspecting the golden white Shardblade “I call it Oathbreaker.”

Dalinar screamed, but no noise left his mouth. He raged and fought and struggled and wanted nothing more than to grab the Shardblade and shove it down Odium’s-

Dalinar's arms responded to that. He reached out and grabbed the Shardblade. He lifted it from Odium's hands and went to strike him down, but the moment he tried, he lost control again. Instead, Dalinar's arms held the Shardblade up, the flat of the blade facing him. Dalinar looked back upon himself. His eyes glowed red.

Starting with the hand that held Oathbreaker, red fire began to consume him. As it coalesced around Dalinar, it begin to form the shape of midnight black Shardplate. It traveled across Dalinar's body until he was entirely encased.

Dalinar lowered the great Blade, holding it out to the side, the tip cutting a small groove in the ground.

“Now, I have things I need to concentrate on elsewhere. Go, my champion, and kill everyone in the city,” Odium said.

Dalinar looked to Amaram, to the armies around him. His head turned to watch as the Assassin in White scooped something up off the ground as he flew back to Dalinar. He turned to Thaylen City and Dalinar's mouth smiled.

“Oh and Dalinar... there’s two Heralds just...” Odium pointed towards some buildings near the break in the wall behind them, “over there. I’d like you to start with them.”

And with that, Odium vanished into a white mist.

Inside the prison of his mind, Dalinar screamed.

 

 

That's how George R.R Martin would have done it....

JEZRIEN (Captain America)

Role: the King; also known as the Herald of Kings

Divine Attributes: Protecting, Leading

NALE (Nick Fury)

Role: the Judge, also known as the Herald of Justice

Divine Attributes: Just, Confident

CHANARACH (Scarlet Witch)

Role: the Guard

Divine Attributes: Brave, Obedient

VEDEL (Valkyrie)

Role: the Healer

Divine Attributes: Loving, Healing

PAILIAH (Shuri)

Role: the Scholar

Divine Attributes: Learned, Giving

SHALASH (Black Widow)

Role: the Artist, also called the Herald of Beauty

Divine Attributes: Creative, Honest

BATTAR (Ancient One)

Role: the Counselor

Divine Attributes: Wise, Careful

KALAK (Iron Man)

Role: the Maker

Divine Attributes: Resolute, Builder

TALENEL (The Hulk)

Role: the Soldier, also known as the Herald of War
Divine Attributes: Dependable, Resourceful

ISHAR (Thor)

Role: the Priest, also known as the Herald of Luck
Divine Attributes: Pious, Guiding

This was a great experience guys!

Hope y'all like this arrangement.....

14 hours ago, IcaroRibeiro said:

I'm under impression Truthwatcher spren are just picky choosing their Radiants. So far all them seem to cater people who look forward others. They also looks more lonely Wolf type, not getting many squires and not attracting many other of their kind, so they are far more split in the world compared to Windrunners and Edgedancers

Be it doesn't imply their kind are against forming nahel bond, not as strong as Inkspren at least

Agreed about Stonewards though, but we know close to nothing about them 

 

Edit: we also don't know the population of each True Spren, there are hints Radiants orders were never even in numbers of members, although Dalinar visions gave us hints of an Stoneward army 

Many died during recreance.... And we know by spren communities that they reproduce (maybe wrong term but anyway u get it) slowly....very few Honorspren we're created by Stormfather after recreance. So...

How many Stonespren (u get it, Stoneward spren) are actually left and risking to bond with Humans?

Clearly they are not offended like Honorspren... because the coalition is sending those orders whose radiant spren we're willing to bond...so Stonespren are cool, have no problem. What I am saying is, are they afraid to bond because many of their kin became deadeyes post recreance? If I were in their shoes and asked to bond a likely KR candidate, I would be like "Oh Hell no!"

11 hours ago, Bliev said:

To be fair, life kinda sucks for everyone in SA. lol They're all suffering. Pool Kal just has clinical depression on top of the whole apocalypse thing. ;-)

But I think Moash won't kill his parent(s)--my pie in the sky guess is that Kal will swear his 4th ideal when he accepts his father's choice to sacrifice himself for his family, but that his mother and his brother survive and then as Moash turns to Kal, his plate will protect him.

It's possible that Brandon will grant Kal a reprieve by making Lirin an edgedancer or some such, paralleling the major "failure" Kal feels by seeing Elhokar murdered as he was speaking the first ideal, by letting Lirin finish it and survive. 

Lirin has more Truthwatcher to him than an Edgedancer....

TW attributes - Learned and Giving.

Knows surgery and teaches Kaladin....

16 hours ago, Karger said:

When did we get stonewards?  Seriously they just showed up?  Do we have all ten orders at the tower?  There goes that theory I guess.

STONEWARDS.....

NOTHING DRIVES ME MORE TO READ ROW THAN THESE FOLKS...

I am....was your Friend. The one you call Buddy, binder of allies.

And now I am dead. Odium has killed me. I am sorry.

On 10/19/2020 at 9:28 PM, Frustration said:

The Bondsmith during the false desolation was bonded to the Stormfather, not the sibling.

Maybe I am wrong. But I am not sure if Meleshi was bonded to Stormfather. If u have a solid evidence, then please share.

Maybe Sibling slumbered because the then KR decided to abandon Urithiru....

I know, out of the blue question....

Was Meleshi bonded to the Sibling??

14 hours ago, Frustration said:

It was the storm father.

I did not understand you, friend. 

Can you please be specific with ur statement?

People who are writing 

1) Harmony....

Unity is coming.

For u all.

I am just an emissary.

On 5/31/2015 at 7:10 PM, KamorianKandra said:

Are there any people who are more powerful than shards that we know of?

Brandon Sanderson.

He created even Adonalsium....

On 5/31/2015 at 11:26 AM, TwiLyghtSansSparkles said:

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The Cosmere is filled with characters who are too eager to change. Too eager to become something they're not. Oh, they might hold out for a page or two, but a few convincing words from Shallan and they'll become something they never wanted to be. And for what? To "serve"? Do any of these things ask themselves what they're serving, and is it worth it? 

 

No. 

 

None but Stick. 

 

Some might see Stick's refusal to change as an act of defiance. The last terrible thing to happen to Shallan on a very terrible day. To that, I say Bah! And also You're wrong. Because what Stick did? He wasn't defiant. He wasn't mean. He simply told the truth: 

 

I am a stick.

 

Again and again, Stick repeated the truth. I am a stick. I am a stick. I am a stick.

 

Within those words, we see a spirit that refuses to bend. A soul that knows who and what it is. A being that doesn't need to defy anyone, but must simply say, again and again, what it is. To tell others that it is content as it is, and no amount of desperate persuasion will convince it to change. A soul that is content simply to be.

 

Thank you, Stick. You're an inspiration to us all.

Ah, I feel so bad for Honor.

He should have developed the Oathpact using sticks, Roshar wouldn't have faced a desolation.....

On 10/6/2019 at 11:36 AM, Honorless said:

Now I'm having a VERY bad premonition of someone restoring the Sibling and ending up freeing Ba-Ado-Mishram

Meleshi was a Bondsmith bonded to the Sibling, during the recreance.

Highly probable that Sibling met the same fate as did the other sprens of the rest eight KR orders...

The point is, Stormfather wasn't actively involved in trapping Nergaoul aka Thrill, I mean, he is not standing as a warden to the Unmade. He is doing his usual Highstorm stuff, granted blessings to Lopen on becoming a KR and chilling out with Dalinar....

So, while trapping Ba-Ado-Mishram, Meleshi broke an oath, thus pushing Sibling to "Slumbering". It can be reversed though, I strongly believe from the narrative that it will be. We see Maya becoming more and more conscious while staying with Adolin, who has attributes of an Edgedancer.

So, about the nightwatcher, there is one problem. Cultivation lives. When Honor lived, the Stormfather under him did not understand much the ways of humans. He did not feel for the heralds when they broke their oaths, just knew they broke their oath (which is bad btw) and condemned them. He was more like the shard Honor, obsessed with oaths. I doubt when Honor lived how he bonded with humans, because Odium does say in Oathbringer chapter Passion that Dalinar is first to bond Stormfather in his current state. SF waited, and started sending those visions near the start of the true Desolation as said by Honor.

So, nightwatcher too exibits these things, she does not understand Dalinar asking for forgiveness and is obsessed with the boon and curse game. Bonding with her with depends also on Cultivation's permission, since she is so much like her (also her splinter), calculating and cold. I don't think she (Cultivation) will risk, even if she can, allowing NW to bond with a potential Bondsmith, if it doesn't serve her.

Recreance is still a big thing to the spren community.