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Thank you for all of that, Sightless Light Weaber. You made great points, and even said things I forgot to consider.
That moment when a blind person forgets about things relating to being blind.
I want a guide cremling now!
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4 hours ago, BloomAgeOne said:
I wonder if Kaladin may be able to swear his own 4th ideal that takes him down a different path from previous Windrunners, particularly after Jezrien died in Oathbringer.
I would love to see that! I think it could very well be possible. We’ve already seen Kaladin do something that, as far as I know, was unique when he used all those windspren to get people to safety in a highstorm. That may hint at Kaladin at least being able to make his own way.
I do hope that he manages to say a fourth ideal, even if it isn’t the typical one. If he doesn’t, he won’t be able to progress. I can definitely imagine Kaladin finding a way to progress without turning his back on his morals and previous development. Plus, I remember reading somewhere that Radiant ideals have some degree of flexibility from person to person. I think Kaladin can and probably will use that to his advantage.
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17 hours ago, Cammac said:
What about,
"I will protect only the ones I can save, even if the only one I can save is myself"
I think this would be perfect for Kaladin, it follows suit with the second part of Teft's 3rd ideal "even if the one I hate most is myself". The 2nd part of Tefts 4th then would have to be less personal, as was Kaladins 3rd "so long as it is right". Perhaps
"I will protect only the ones I can save, and accept when I cannot"That’s definitely a possibility. I don’t think that’s it though. It doesn’t quite fit with what Kaladin was thinking about when he failed to say the ideal. If that was it, why would he be thinking of all the people who, in his mind, he failed to protect?
I also don’t know if it quite flows with the earlier ideals. There’s a scene earlier in Oathbringer where Kaladin is thinking about the ideals and what they mean. He thinks about how difficult the ideals he already knows are, then he thinks something like, “If the first three ideals are this hard, what will the fourth one ask of me?” Then I think it says that he had an idea of what it would be, and it terrified him.
I’m not sure if your suggestion is something that would scare Kaladin to consider. Maybe he’s scared of the implication of having to choose who to protect and who he can’t save. Viewed that way, I can see how this could be very difficult for Kaladin to say. I still don’t think that’s it though.
I could definitely be wrong, and this is all speculation anyway. That’s why we’re on this thread, after all.
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10 hours ago, Nymeros said: kind. Blindness is a physical disability as far I know. I don't think it affects the individual's ability to develop certain personality traits. I could be wrong but I've never heard anything to the contrary.
I'm saying is that if a person developed into XJCPG based on their spirit and their experiences in life, it is unlikely to me they would would develop into that same figure given different life experiences. Maybe an XKFCA instead (the X is for stubborn).
Hmmm.....
......and they did this by turning into weapons and granting cool magic powers instead of, I don't know, using bonds to help develop humanity into a more psychologically stable force. It's not some social experiment. They were giving humanity tools to fight and endure in war.
Thanks for providing evidence to support my case....that was unexpected.
It's not some purely elemental force as I knew. Spren are attracted by a certain type of character but still have a choice in who they bond with. Exactly what I've been saying and Brandon reaffirms it multiple times here.
I don't. In this thread, I've been imagining her as being born blind and more dependent by circumstances instead of being able to coast. I am aware that we disagree on this point though, and I don't believe I can sway you.
Different life experiences.
No, no, n-......wait, that is what I was saying! Wow!
PS: Ya'll, I don't think it's impossible for a blind person the be chosen just extremely unlikely due the....blindness.At least we agree on the types of personality blind people can have. I’m not sure what all those letters you used were supposed to mean.
In terms of spren turning into weapons, yes, the bond was originally created during a time of war and desperation. That holds true 4,500 years after the “last desolation”, when the Nahel bond begins being formed again. If the spren were only interested in giving humans weapons though, why the necessity for the ideals? Why not just allow humans to use their powers and weapons to do whatever they want? If that was the case, then a substantial part of WoR would not exist. The ideals are important. Spren bond people who they think embody the order the spren is connected to.
It does seem to be true that a spren can choose not to bond someone, but I still think that if a blind person attracted a Cultivationspren for example, the spren could conceivably decide to go through with the bond and help the blind person in whatever way they can. We already have a precedent for spren wanting to help the people they’re bonded to. You just need to look at Syl and Kaladin to know that. If Syl genuinely wants to help Kaladin feel better when he’s in the depths of depression, why would the hypothetical Cultivationspren not want to help their blind human in whatever way possible?
You’re putting up a strong argument against blind people becoming Radiants for someone who claims to believe that it might be possible.
(This site was acting up while I was typing this. Hopefully it’s not too much of a mess.)
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3 minutes ago, Frustration said:
What I think @Nymeros is saying that if we had two separate realities and in one someone was born blind, in the other they had sight we could reasonably expect them to become very different people.
That might very well be true. I can’t deny that some parts of who I am would be different if I had been born without the condition that has caused me to slowly lose my vision throughout my life. I have no way of knowing who I would be without that, and I would never know, even if I had stormlight, since my identity is so firmly rooted in me having some form of vision loss. Where this entire argument rubs me wrong is the belief that it would be at least very implausible, if not flat out impossible, for a blind person to become a radiant. There’s absolutely nothing in what we currently know of the Nahel bond that would definitively make it impossible for a blind person to form one and become a Radiant.
I’ve lived my entire life with people constantly underestimating me and denying me the things I’ve wanted to do just because of my disability. I’m not about to let the same thing happen in a theoretical situation in a fictional universe, one which I and many like me go to in order to imagine a place where we could possibly be viewed as being equally human as those around us, not to mention being viewed as having the same capabilities as them for once. These things are so constantly denied to me and those like me in the real world. That’s not going to happen in this fictional world as long as I have anything to say about it, and since none of this is cannon, I still have a say.
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5 minutes ago, Nymeros said:
What? No. I'm saying that in a hypothetical blind reality that its unlikely that a person would develop the same personality traits.
I was asking why you bothered to debate me on a topic that you initially were not involved in only to tell me you don't feel its relevant. An odd occurrence. If you feel its irrelevant, just can ignore it. As you indicated, its a choice on what you reply to.
That sounds like they began bonding with humans and transforming into swords and granting superpowers just for the fun of it.
I think spren choose knights to grant power to humanity not to live a 'The Real World" scenario.
So what personality traits do you expect blind people to have?
Also, why exactly do you think spren bond humans? It’s definitely not just for the humans to gain cool powers. The spren originally created the Nahel bond to mimic what Honor did with the Heralds. They didn’t anticipate their own loss of sentience and sapience, at least from what I remember. I think the spren wanted to help Honor and the Heralds in overcoming the desolations however they could, no matter the sacrifices.
If a blind person could assist in this goal, no matter how they achieved it, do you not think a spren would focus on the ultimate goal of defeating Odium and the Fused, rather than something as relatively trivial as humanity’s general views on disabilities? Spren aren’t human, after all.
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17 minutes ago, Nymeros said:
If Kaladin went blind after the bonding process started it would follow through. If we're talking about a situation where Kaladin was blind from birth, thats a totally different story.
You seem to be implying that you think blind people can’t have protective instincts. Do you realize that blind people have personalities just as complex as sighted people, personalities which could very well attract a spren, or do you think that their disability is a blind person’s entire identity?
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17 minutes ago, Hentient said:
Bonding moment
I was also thinking since illumination gives the power change the way things look, it could also give a sense of what you are changing.
so if you added a layer of stormlight above an item, (without changing anything, so an illusion that’s exactly the same as the base object) you could have a sense of what it looks like?
Oooo I really like that idea! It could be like getting a sense of the object by sensing the shape of the stormlight. I don’t know if stormlight actually works like that, but it’s a fascinating idea either way.
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38 minutes ago, SingingMosaic said:
I ran out of rep for today on this thread alone, thanks guys. lol
I love being underestimated. Sometimes it's irritating, when someone is condescending. But being underestimated is often pretty fantastic. I walk into a situation and evaluate it and depending on the results, I know which facade to adopt. It can be incredibly useful to have people talking around you like you won't hear them, the things you learn then, and the applications you can put that information to. Being blind gave me that. When I was little I learned pretty quickly how important it was to be able to gather information because people felt confident in the idea that no one was listening. I was often used by various family members who knew about this to help keep people safe, by providing them something they wouldn't have had at all had it not been for a disabled person who wasn't afraid to use their mind.
Having skills underestimated can be an advantage or a disadvantage. But when it is a disadvantage, you can often turn it into an advantage at the end anyway, with a healthy dose of extra work and determination.
This is true. I almost wish I could see the looks on people’s faces when I do something they think I shouldn’t be able to. Lol
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7 minutes ago, SingingMosaic said:
I'll just put it this way because everyone has said it better than me:
I don't need help with most things. If I do, I'm confident in asking for it. If I don't, I'm confident enough in deflecting someone intent on their feel-good moment away from me. I've lived in dangerous areas since I was a small child. I was homeless, once with my family and once pretty much on my own. I handled that for as long as I was able and when I couldn't anymore, I sought assistance about it on my own terms like anyone else, able or disabled would.
Now, what would interrupt someone's capacity to do that? Mental health problems. Mine certainly have. My mental health problems are the reason why I am what I am today. And because most of them are chemical in nature, I'd have had them blind or not. I would still be me if I were sighted. I'd have had a different upbringing, and different experiences, so different traits would be more or less emphasized. I'm not denying that, but I'd be me.
And if music were a way for Jasnah to record and store information for her own reference and one she could use efficiently, I don't think she'd balk at that. No, she wouldn't sit about playing pretty music. But she could definitely use music. Imagine a Jasnah more sound oriented on Roshar. That presents some interesting possibilities where it comes to information she might have gained sooner or some she'd have gained that she didn't have because she didn't deem it important.
All I'm saying is I'm glad I don't have the visual distractions that most have. It occasionally presents an issue but much less commonly than you'd think. If I need visual information, I know how to seek it, and I know how to use it.
If I were there and a spren approached me, I think I would ultimately be OK. I'm no stranger to pain and frustration in the learning process, no stranger to challenges. I handle situations involving fire or dangerous chemicals well, you can imagine the learning process of a blind person for that. I use my hands around open flames and on hot stoves, and I do it reasonably safely. That was a painful learning process. And I retained my ability to read Braille, despite all my sticking hands in flames, I still have full sensitivity in my fingertips. That wasn't luck, that was understanding my environment and learning about what I didn't yet.
I'm just imagining all the uses for sound. If I had illumination, I could convince your brain that you were standing in a completely different space, in fact that you were standing on nothing at all. What do you think your brain does when given two absolutely contradictory sets of sensory input? Buys me time, that's what, and whether it's a few seconds or a few minutes, that's all I need to get the upper hand. Echolocation? Not a problem. I could use that to see better than sighted people. If I could echolocate as well as some surges would make me able to, I would be a force to be reckoned with.
Using sound would be amazing! I love what you said about learning experiences. Humans are adaptable, and we both know that it is extremely possible to adapt to being blind. Add a nahel bond onto that, and you get something truly unique. Just imagine how a spren could help when needed. That, along with the examples you gave, would make us much more formidable than most would think possible. Plus, we could always use people’s tendency to underestimate us to our advantage.
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29 minutes ago, Hentient said:
Yes, to prove a point.
I don’t understand why it’s so hard for you to believe that people who are blind are still people who have feelings and are capable of doing things just like everyone else.
Apparently, being unable to see completely negates a person’s strengths and virtues. Apparently, blind people are incapable of doing anything meaningful just because we can’t see. At least, that’s what this person seems to think.
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25 minutes ago, Hentient said:
This is exactly what I was saying. We can use our other senses, they are just as powerful as sight, but we don’t. We don’t have to rely on our other senses, so when it comes down to it, it’s easy to be distracted by what we see.
Imagine a situation where visibility is limited.
it could be night time, in the middle of a dust cloud, or someone’s eyes were impaired moments before. It could be anything.
who do you think would do better in that situation? Would it be the person who grew up relying on their sight? Who is unpracticed using their other senses to their full potential? Or would it be the person who grew up finding other ways to interact with their world? Who knows how to deal with things without their sight? A master of using sound, touch, and smells? Personally I think it’s obvious who would come out on top.
As to the point of Jasnah being blind. That was an example, to show that someone who is blind can still attract spren. If you think Jasnah would be different had she been born blind, great, good for you. But for the sake of argument, imagine she was the same. She was still scholarly and pragmatic. She was still her. She still would have attracted Ivory, regardless of her sight, because Ivory cares about whether or not someone thinks before they act, not about vision. Physicality hasn’t mattered to spren before, and I don’t understand why it would matter now. Spren care about how someone acts, why they act. It doesn’t matter the limitations someone may or may not have on those actions, only the reasoning behind them.
This exactly! I don’t know why it’s so hard for people to imagine using their other senses in various situations.
If it’s this difficult for modern people to understand how blind people can do certain things, imagine how much harder it would be on Roshar for a blind Alethi. They would have to work for their entire life just to be seen as capable, let alone equal with everyone around them. I would love to see this actually play out in one of the books. I’m not gonna hold my breth though.
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5 minutes ago, Nymeros said:
Why are you commenting on it then AonEne? I was replying to another poster.
I haven't discussed Jasnah going blind at all. I'm discussing whether Gavilar's daughter would any different if she was born blind. Is it possible she would resemble the Jasnah? Sure, it's possible but extremely unlikely.
She wouldn't even be able to effectively engage with the feminine arts but she would be still be scholarly minded? Sure maybe, but as I said previously, eh.
It's all good BR. We just disagree entirely on whether paying attention to other sensory input is a greater advantage than being able to see.
Jasnah may not have been able to read, write, or do some of the other feminine arts without assistance if she had been born blind, but she could still play music and sing.
I think what I have to say about other senses outweighs what you do. I am the blind one, after all.As multiple people have said before, spren are attracted by a person’s personality, the things that are important to them, etc. If a blind Rosharan has all the right qualities to become a Bondsmith for example, then they should be able to form the bond. Plus, Bondsmiths aren’t supposed to use their powers to fight, at least if what the Stormfather told Dalinar holds true for the other two possible Bondsmiths. A blind Bondsmith would be able to use their powers quite effectively without having to worry about fighting.
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10 hours ago, Nymeros said:
Cool. I see we're definitely not going to reach any agreement there then.
Eh. We're doing nature vs nurture now? We've seen one character in the Cosmere whose personality and abilities change with her origins which she alters through realmatic magic. Brandon wrote an entire book based on the concept of altering the past to effect the present. It's cool to say that it's possible that Jasnah would be exactly the same and sure, possible, but probable?
...eh.
Yes, I stated that directly.
Word?
All surges can be used by the blind but not as well as a person with sight in most instances. Again I'm not saying its impossible for a blind person to be a Radiant. I just think it's unlikely....due the blindness.
I do. Time will possibly tell...or not.
How about this....which do you think we be more effective overall:
-Every Radiant has psychological hang ups (as is pretty normal in world)
-Every Radiant is blind
Yes in a far more limited way. A sighted person can pick up smells and sounds as well as a blind person if they focused but most people don't train those senses because sight is such a powerful tool.
Sight might be a powerful tool, but let me ask you this: when was the last time you paid close attention to the scent of a flower, and only its scent? When was the last time you enjoyed the taste of your favorite food, and focused only on the taste? When was the last time you pet a cat or dog, and focused only on the texture of the animal’s fur? When was the last time you listened to your favorite song, and focused only on the sounds of the music? Each of your other senses is also powerful. You just focus too much on the information given you by the two orbs in your face to notice the rest. In that context, I wonder which of us is really at a disadvantage...
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@Hentient and @AonEne, thank you! I love what each of you said about the spren bond. As has been said before, spren pick their radiants based on personality and the things that are important to them. If I was on Roshar for example, and if I attracted a spren, I think I’d probably turn out to be an Edgedancer. A lot of the things that are important to that order are important to me, and the ideals speak to me as well.
Using Edgedancers as an example, notice that none of the ideals says anything about seeing.
The first ideal: “Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination.” I don’t see what would keep a blind person from saying these words. There’s nothing within them that would prevent the person from living the ideal.Second Edgedancer ideal: “I will remember those who have been forgotten.” Surprise. Blind people can remember things at least as well as anyone else. I personally have a great memory for certain things, so I don’t see what would keep me from living this ideal. You don’t need to be able to see to remember.
Third Edgedancer ideal: “I will listen to those who are ignored.” If there’s one thing that blind people have to learn to be very good at, it’s listening and hearing what’s going on around them. I can’t explain how important my sense of hearing is to me in everything I do. This ideal seems to be perfectly crafted for somebody who can’t see what’s going on around them. A blind person would most definitely be able to live up to this.
This is only one part of being an Edgedancer, but if a blind person can say and live up to the ideals, I don’t see what would keep them from doing almost everything else that a sighted member of this order could do. there are things that would be more difficult, but with the radiant and there spren working together, I’m sure a solution could be reached.
This was obviously only discussing one order, but if I can think of how it would work for this one, I’m sure there are ways it can work for the others.
I could address the other things y’all have discussed, but I don’t have much more to add other than reinforcing what you already said. This comment is getting very long anyway, so I’ll leave it here for now.
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21 minutes ago, Hentient said:
Im just glad I wasn't insensitive.
Anyway, to lighten things up a little, im kind of obsessed with the idea of a blind knights radiant now, thanks to you. In Avatar: the last Airbender, toph, who is blind, can see with her earthbending, and so she walks around barefoot so that she is always connected to the earth. Thats what I imagine a Knights Radiant that can't see to be like. a total badbutt. They don't have to be a soldier. A medic would be an interesting dynamic. Though i'm more interested in the way the spren and radiant would work together.
Imagine a windrunner, who is falling through the sky. from the moment their feet leave the ground, they would have to have complete trust in their spren to guide them.
Imagine the spren describing the world around them. How the sun seeps through the leaves of a tree. How the ocean waves crash on each other. How an Axehounds muscles strain and stretch as it runs.
imagine the Radiant sneaking off and planning a spren party for her spren to celebrate their one year anniversary of being bonded.
Thank you for giving my mind plenty of scenes to create
Omg I love imagining these things so much!!!! It makes me so happy!!!! I definitely want to try my hand at writing some of these scenes now!
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2 minutes ago, Hentient said:
Just because someone is blind, does not mean they are helpless. @Blind Radiant Im not trying to be insensitive, so forgive me if I am, but People that are blind cannot/mostly cannot see. Does this mean that they cannot hear? Can a blind person not talk through anothers problems, and help them through it? (If you ask me the Knights Radiant could use a therapist). Does being blind mean that they cannot feel? Do they not know what is around them simply because of their vision? Can a Blind man not smell? Taste? or Talk? Can they not Take in what is around them and react to it simply because they have one sense missing?
Just because they are blind, does not make a person invalid. For anything it makes them stronger, for having to fight their way to everything they have. To have to face the endless pity and prove that they are worth it, even when they shouldnt need to.
Some one that fights and struggles, and makes it work? that sounds Like a Knights Radiant to me. That sounds like someone that a spren would choose.
Do you think that spren care about blindness? Spren before the bond are unchanging. They do not have the bias that humans do, because they were not made that way. To a spren, Its not what you are given, but what you do with it that matters.
What if Jasnah was blind? Do you think that would stop her from being the way she is? Analytical, and acts only after much thought (Which are the traits that attract an ink spren) Its who she is. Being blind would not change that. Yes she would be different in some ways, but her personality is still there, and Ivory would still have found her. for all we know she would have developed her own Rosharan Brail.
The question is not whether or not a spren would bond with a blind person. Its what they would become after the bond is made.
This is a great arguement! I couldn’t have put it much better. Thank you.
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1 minute ago, Nymeros said:
I seperate emotional and mental instabilities from physical handicaps.
Who would a blind person be leading and protecting? I don't like to take charge but id be leading a blind person across the street, not the other way around,
There are multiple types of leadership. You don’t have to be able to see to have charisma and a personality that others want to follow. There are also multiple ways to protect people. Again, you don’t have to be able to see to help people. Yes, some things would have to be accomplished differently, but I suggest that you get to know a blind person and see what they’re actually capable of before making overarching judgments like this.
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14 minutes ago, Nymeros said:
I don't think a spren would choose a blind person to bond with
And why not? Is it because you think blind people are helpless and too broken to form a bond?
Spren bond with neurodivergent and/or mentally ill people, as well as people with other hardships, all the time. Why should bonding a blind person be any different?
I can’t imagine an Honorspren, for example, seeking out a human who has protective instincts, is a strong leader, etc. then upon realizing that person is blind, thinking, “Well storms. I can’t bond this person just because they can’t storming see.”
That seems rather narrow minded to me.
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On 5/27/2020 at 2:13 AM, SingingMosaic said:
I actually hadn't thought through this very much, mainly because I figured a spren could and would pick anyone regardless of whether people thought it was a good idea or not so I just figured they'd work it out. But now I'm having all kinds of ideas. I've been lucky to have a brain with powerful mapping abilities and a level of automatic information gathering and processing that scares me sometimes which, contrary to the belief of a lot of sighted people I meet, is sadly not something we all have. Thinking about what I could do with different surges is a lot of fun.
I think this is also why I tend to relate to Brandon's nonhumans or heavily modified humans, as a side note. He points out differences in sensory systems, and then just leaves you to imagine them.
And because I think I missed your welcome post either that or you've been here a while lurking, hi, welcome!
If you want to compare accessibility notes or anything feel free to message me.
If this was actually happening on Roshar, the spren would pick the person to bond regardless of plausibility, and the radiant and their spren would have to be creative in how they did things. It’s definitely fascinating to consider.
Imagining the capabilities of modified humans and/or nonhumans is definitely lots of fun.
I’ve been here for about a month. I was introduced to the Cosmere only two months ago, but I already love it. There’s so much to it, and I feel like there’s always more to learn and get into.
I may take you up on talking about accessibility at some point.
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I know I’m suuuper late to this, but I realized something that might help answer this question.
In chapter 5 of Oathbringer, it says that Kaladin managed to cover over 1,000 miles in half a day. I’m not sure if half a day means that literally, or if it means half of the daylight hours, so I’ll talk about both possible meanings.
Days on Roshar are 20 hours long. If it literally took Kaladin half a day to fly more than 1,000 miles, then that means that he covered that distance in 10 hours. That would make his speed upwards of 100 mph.
If half a day in stead refers to half of the daylight hours, then Kaladin would’ve traveled over 1,000 miles in roughly 5 hours or so. This would make his speed at least 200 mph.
Either way, that bridgeboy can go storming fast!
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1 hour ago, Hentient said:
They could pull a Toph and walk around barefoot all the time. That way they could keep their surges going (So long as they had stormlight) and be able to "Sense" what was around them.
Also, Rennin used to wear glasses, but with stormlight they healed. On the flip side, Kaladins brands didn't go away. So would a blind Radiant just heal their eyes? I suppose that if they accepted themselves as blind they couldn't because of the way healing works in the cosmere.
Walking around barefoot is an interesting idea.
Healing would greatly depend on how the person views themselves, as you said.
35 minutes ago, Aminar said:There’s some major differencesin someone's self perception involved. Let's look at 4 potential categories.
A: Someone with poor vision.
B: Someone with poor vision who uses corrective lenses.
C: Someone who became blind at an earlier point int heir life and has lived that way.
D: Someone who was born blind.
3 of these people are highly unlikely to have their vision change from stormlight. A, C, & D. Person B lives most of their life seeing as if they didn't have an impairment. So that's there self image. Person C might regain their vision. Persons A and D are highly unlikely to change.
Lopen regained his arm because of something called Phantom Limb syndrome. A lot of people who lose a limb never fully accept the loss in the subconscious. They'll feel it long after it's gone. And Lopen is a little goofy in general where his self image is concerned.
Point being, Renarin experienced life as if he had good vision, so his self image was as someone who could see. When he had his glasses off he didn't feel like himself. Much like how my wife will panic without her glasses. Yes!
I buYes! I still have some vision, but I’ve never been able to see perfectly. If stormlight was to do anything for someone like me, it would only restore their vision to how it was when they were younger, and not to perfect vision, since that person had never experienced that. It’s all a matter of self perception.
Sorry if this is a huge mess. This site isn’t always easy to use with my screen reader.
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10 hours ago, R J said:
I think some of the Surges could be extra-sensory in nature, like Cohesion & Illumination which might allow one to map out their surroundings. I would assume same goes for Surges which can access Shadesmar, as that realm is more about perception than sensory organs. Gravitation could be used that way too maybe, but that would require ungodly amount of finesse
Hmmm. I didn’t really consider that for illumination and cohesion. @Karger also mentioned Shadesmar being less involved with the physical senses. I think the only time that wouldn’t be the case would be if someone traveled there in their physical body, like how an Elsecaller can. i’ll have to think about this more, and maybe edit my rankings.
As for gravitation, I explained a little bit about how I think it would work in the original post, but I’ll try to expand on it here.
At several points in the books, Kaladin feels as if the winds are surrounding him and guiding his movements to a certain extent. I think this unique relationship with the winds that a Windrunner has could, in some cases, almost act like some kind of echolocation, but using the air itself in stead of sound. This is why I don’t think a blind Skybreaker could do this as well as a Windrunner. Both have the surge of gravitation, but using that alone would take tons of practice, as you pointed out. It might be able to be done, but it would be a lot more difficult without the unique relationship with and assistance from the winds that a Windrunner has.
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20 minutes ago, Karger said:
How Shallan and Jasnah see Shadesmar could easily be based on magical senses rather then physical ones. Same possibly with bondsmith abilities. Mistborn spoilers
Steel Inquisitors are physically blind because of the spikes. They just see with allomancy
Other then that I think your list makes a lot of sense although I must point out that Spren don't care much about their bond mate's physicality. For example Syl claims that her bond before Kaladin was to an old man who was unsuited to fighting(hence his death) so which order any blind individual gets will be based on temperament same as anyone else.
All of that is true. I actually didn’t consider the possibility of sensing Shadesmar with nonphysical senses.
This list was an exercise in speculation more than anything else. I’m sure that if a blind person bomded a Cultivationspren for example, the spren and the potential radiant would find a way to work together to make the blind person one storming awesome Edgedancer.
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Stormlight 4 Readings and Info
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I don’t know what the other moments Brandon mentions are refering to, but I’ve read somewhere that the important scene in Row has to do with Hoid. It’ll apparently be different than Hoid’s usual Stormlight epilogues. I can’t wait to read it!