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No, it was not. But, you are right. I was mistaken. If the repulsive force decreases in magnitude with distance to the source, there will indeed be compressive tides.

1 hour ago, Oltux72 said:

It does reverse. Consider the case of standing on a planet which does not rotate. You experience high tide at midsummer, which is also noon. And again at midwinter. By which time you are at midnight, so you are facing away from the sun. The same force now pushes the water away from the sun, because you are at the opposite point of your orbit.

Hence a repulsive force does create a compresssing effect.

This is not exactly what I meant. I meant that the effect would reverse from streching to compression, which does not happen. Though the apparent direction of the tidal effect changes, never would negative tides, compression parallel to the field, be experienced.

On 4/6/2019 at 4:46 AM, Oltux72 said:

So yes, a space ship between two objects would be stretched. But this is because we are talking about ab attractive force  If you have a repulsive force, the objects would indeed be crushed instead.

I’m afraid you are mistaken. A repulsive force would also cause stretching tidal forces. The effect is caused by a difference in force from one side to another, if the effect could reverse like this, it would reverse if you circled to the other side of a gravity source, which would not make sense.

41 minutes ago, Scion of the Mists said:

While each object would apply a tidal (uneven) force to the spaceship, why wouldn't the two opposing tidal forces cancel? 

This would not happen completely, but you are correct, the effect would be reduced.

On 4/6/2019 at 4:46 AM, Oltux72 said:

Actually no, they should not. They should only if they act on the whole object equally

Allomantic forces must act on an object almost equally, as Allomancers do not appear to experience tidal forces from a single push, and are able to tolerate large forces on their bodies with little effect. Note, that they do experience the crushing and ripping effects mentioned in the first post whenever they are subject to multiple pushes. This could only be explained if they interfere with each other in some way, not through Newtonian mechanics.

However, there is one scene with a Duralamin push in WoA that contradicts this, where Vin blacks out. This seems to suggest there are indeed tidal forces but which are very small under ordinary pushes. But, more likely this is mistake. There is a similar blacking out scene in Oathbringer while freefallling under gravity, which should never happen.

You are all correct that many explainations could be provided to explain these. But, in my opinion, the evidence you have provided is not satisfactory. These require some further comment.

In particular, we do know that ReLuur’s memories would not have returned completely. It has been stated multiple times that the Kandra sustain permanent damage the longer their spike has been pulled.

I thought it would be useful to gather a list of potential plot holes in the Cosmere, in the same spirit as the typo threads. Here are the questions that I have. What have you all noticed? To clarify, I mean problems in character motivations and plot, not physics or magic.

The Way of Kings

Why did Dalinar’s visions not reveal that the Voidbringers are Parshmen? 

With the amount of visions Dalinar saw of the desolations, what are the odds none of them showed that the voidbringers were Parshmen? The only explanation I can think of is that Honor wished to conceal this fact. But, why would he want this? And surely this would become obvious when the Desolation actually started.

Why did Honor not create an avatar to answer Dalinar’s questions? 

Yes, I know it is theorised in Oathbringer that perhaps he could not create a simulacrum of himself. But he could have made an incomplete model like the others in the visions, with at least enough knowledge to explain what the desolations were. He should have known the Stormfather would hardly be forthcoming.

Mistborn: The Final Empire

Why did Vin not disguise herself when breaking into the Lord Ruler’s palace the first time?

This risked her cover, and they were lucky that the only survivors who saw them were the Inquisitors, who did not generally mix with the nobles.

Bands of Morning

Why did MeLaan not mention ReLuur’s spike when the team considers what to do?

This is not so serious, but I thought it was very odd that MeLaan, and none of the others, mentions the spike when they are on the ship and debating whether to go to the temple or back for help. ReLuur was losing his memories, and while the potential loss of the Bands would have been devastating enough to convince them to go forward, this is a serious consequence of their actions, and their original mission.

I hope at the very least there is no Shalladin. He killed her brother! It is incredibly disturbing.

24 minutes ago, Lightblood said:

2. We don't know, becuase the combination of different investure's do funny stuff. It would be difficult and you would probably have to be specifically looking for it. But it would have to do with how the breaths attach to the atium and how the sword is connected to you I believe. So we most likely won't see it, Like hemulurgy, many things are possible but there are billions of ways to get it wrong and just one to get it right

3. I would like to argue that this is a entirely different case then nightblood (well... not entirely but significantly different) Nightblood was, as far as we know, made from normal metal. The blade being proposed would be made from a god metal, and so I believe that it would, At least a little bit, twist the nature of the blade. My theory would be that it would follow the command perfectly but the actual personality would be more destructive.

2. You’re probably right. I don’t think actually making the sword out of Atium would help, but there should be a way to make a sword that sees the future, if only because there are plenty of people in the Cosmere who can do it.

3. There would likely be some effect, though I doubt it would be all that great with the Awakening in place. But I think the sword would be largely his own sword.

I do not believe stamping yourself first would help. Forgery only affects a single object/person. It wouldn’t change reality to make other forgeries more plausible.

I would Forge myself to be a better Forger, obviously. I’m surprised it isn’t a standard practice for the forgers already, since it is clearly possible to gain new skills. I agree Shai is already probably at her peak power...

I do know Nightblood is not completely of Endowment, but I have to disagree that this is affecting him. Even if Nightblood were completely of Ruin, which I know is not the case, he would not be greatly influenced by this. Each person on Nalthis has a Breath, and probably entire soul, of Endowment, but they appear pretty normal. Take also for example the Unmade, which are splinters of Odium. They are not unduly hateful, or even passionate. Sja-anat does not appear consumed by hatred at all.

I think the command would essentially overwrite whatever the intent of the Investiture once was in any case. Awakened creations can do whatever their creator desires, regardless of Endowment's intent in the Breaths.

I doubt this would happen. Sanderson would never write it, and besides much of their romance is based on the fact that Adolin knows who the real Shallan is, grounding her. This would be a step in the other direction.

1. Numerous WoBs (quotes from Sanderson) state that it is possible, but very difficult, to Awaken Invested objects, even ones made of metal, like Hemalugic spikes or Shardplate. So, probably.

2. Probably not. An Allomancer would likely be needed to burn the metal of the sword. And doing so would use up the sword's mass.

3. It would probably have its own personality. Nightblood's soul is (probably) made entirely out of Endowment, but he isn't affected by it.

4. I suppose one could give these commands to the blade, but the sword couldn't surgebind without a bond to a spren, if that is what you're thinking. Perhaps this would make it a good candidate for a bond with an Honorspren? But if it is like Nightblood, absorbing Investiture, it would destroy any spren attempting to bond with it I'm guessing.

5. If it can't be Awakened, it would be as effective as any other blade, perhaps less, because Atium is a soft metal.

6. I'm not completely certain, but it would probably be allomantically inert. It is not a usual metal. Perhaps, though, a mistborn could burn it for some effect. Good question.

I was joking about Warrior of Fire. It does not make sense.

I’m surprised that Warbreaker’s title has no relevance to the book. I had assumed it would be Vasher’s name.

It is interesting the books are split in two like that, and the unusual title of the Era 2 mistborn books! These sound like random changes done for someone’s amusement.

So, has anybody read another translation?

Perhaps it is a metaphor. But I believe it is too suspicious that the name is that of a Shardic intent Sazed could very well possess.

What do you all think Discord would desire? Would be seek to foster dynamic change, which the forces of Ruin and Preservation oppose each other as much as possible in society? Or would he be something like Nightblood, seeking to fight against “evil”, Ruining things selectively and violently, while Preserving others?

You're right that taken as unrelated statements, the first two sentences probably refer to the Terris people during Era 1. But the last line is out of place.

Who here sympathized with the Pahn Kahl more than Hallandren and Idris? I agree it was good that a Manywar was prevented, and Bluefingers was evil. But the Pahn Kahl were a subjugated people, and they shall remain oppressed so long as Hallandren exists.

What do you all think were the most epic failures that nearly happened in the cosmere?

Here is my favourite:

Oathbringer:

Szeth: Perhaps I have merely chosen the wrong men.

I know what I will do. I shall swear my loyalty to Dalinar Kholin!

Dalinar: Good to have you Szeth. You serve Odium now.

Szeth: !!!!!!!!!

I do not think that the Terris prophecies have been fulfilled. These one in particular:

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“He shall defend their ways, yet shall violate them. He will be their savior, yet they shall call him heretic. His name shall be Discord, yet they shall love him for it. ” 

Sanderson has confirmed it would be possible for the intent of Harmony to become discord. This prophecy, provided it was correctly divined and not corrupted, seems to indicate this will happen. Also, it seems that Discord is still a benevolent intent.

Additionally, I do not believe the other parts of the prophecy have yet occurred.

He shall defend their ways, yet shall violate them: Arguably he defended the ways of the old religions, and he made no effort to keep their ways. But, the quote implies that these same people shall call him heretic and love him, which can hardly be said of the long-dead religions.

He shall be their saviour, yet they shall call him heretic: Sazed saved all of humanity on Scadrial, but why would they call him heretic? They now consider him their god.

Does anyone know more information about these?

Ooo, sorry.

Just realized the motor I proposed would not work. The forces acting on the wheel would act on the stones in opposite directions so there would be no effect! Also, it requires the stones to start with different velocities, but that was not out the question since spanreeds can do it.

Any ideas for a motor?

Edit: Assuming one can have an initial velocity, we could construct a motor by putting two gemstones in a vertical piston head with a spring on each side of the chamber. The piston would bounce off the bottom spring, lock its velocity to head to the top, then unlock and fall. It would oscillate up and down pretty rapidly. But, because of locking, it couldn’t be put on an accelerating vehicle, and would have to be managed carefully.

If one assumes we cannot have initial velocity, it is more challenging.

Additional application: in machines, we could connect wheels by attaching conjoined fabrial at their rims to transmit the rotation. Reverse-conjoined ones would reverse the direction of rotation.

Rotational Stablizers  We could use conjoined fabrials to rotationally lock an object. Imagine two conjoined rubies set in a flying ship. It is starts to rotate, it would force the rubies to move in oppose directions, and they would resist.

This would certainly help, and it would relieve the strain of the hinges a great deal, though the strength of the gate itself would not be increased, you could still break it. Unless you made the whole thing a half shard.

But, the gate couldn’t slide left or right without unconjoining the gemstones. The sideways force would be resisted just like the force of a ram.

48 minutes ago, Scion of the Mists said:

1. I'm assuming you're still talking about reverse-conjoining.  

Indeed I was.

48 minutes ago, Scion of the Mists said:

The force applied by the sun to objects on a planet is much, much less than the gravitational force applied by the planet itself.  Yes, the sun is much larger than the planet, but it's much, much farther away.  

I did the math, and you’re right, the forces involved would be very small, all causing acceleration orders of magnitude less than 1m/s^2. I’ll edit these two.

I realized that I also assumed that the stones can have an initial velocity greater than 0. This should be possible, as the Earth is rotating beneath them (and indeed there would be a slow upward drift of any locked object because of the earth’s surface acceleration). However, it may be there’s some crazy rule that ensures they must start at rest with respect to Roshar. In this case, it would not be possible to lock an appearently moving object, and there could be no fabrial motor in a car (unless it’s very massive, like with speed bubbles?) But, the motor itself, the shock absorber, and the flying platforms would work, and the massless propulsion would work only if this strange restriction went away in space, on a sufficiently massive spaceship, because you would need the gemstones to start at the velocity of the ship with each cycle.

5 hours ago, Thunder_93 said:

End of book 1, Vin didn’t inhale mist.

Wow. This is a serious plot hole. 

The title changes are interesting. The reason for Warrior of Fire is perfectly clear.  The Warrior of Fire is Vin, who fights with a fiery passion, and simultaneously it is Elend, who fights to set the Final Empire on fire with his ideas. Also, the title is an oblique reference to Ruin, who is a warrior who progresses entropy, much like fire : )

Is the Hero of Ages called the Ruler of Light in translation? In Bulgarian, it is translated as The Hero of Time. Also, I’ve heard that Warbreaker is The Sound of Storms in German. What is the reason for this?

Hello! I’m interested to know if any of you have read translations of the Cosmere novels. If so, could you share your opinions of them and any interesting facts about how all the terminology was translated?

I have read a bit in Bulgarian. The translations are very good, it feels like the original novel, though I find myself visualizing the conversations a bit differently.

As for nomenclature: in Warbreaker, the names were complicated a great deal by the fact that compound nouns sound bizarre in Bulgarian. I imagine there are similar problems in Stormlight, though I haven’t read that. The title was translated literally: He Who Stops War. However, the names of the Returned and of Nightblood in the novel were written out phonetically, with a guide at the beginning to explain their meanings.

Will anyone who shares my interest please respond and share anything interesting about your translations?

Indeed, you are correct. This would be another application of rocketry with these devices. It would also probably be less Stormlight-intensive that a Lashing based ship, though not nearly as fast.