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Huh. So the real Investiture (or, I suppose, pre-Shattering Investiture) in this situation is that the Singers can hear the Rhythms?

1 minute ago, Experience said:

Oh, is the Sibling of Odium? 

I asked that a while ago. The answer I got was that it's more likely the Sibling is of both Cultivation and Honor, sort of like Feruchemy.

We know all the shards that are on Roshar, or at least that are in the system, right? We've got Odium, Honor, and Cultivation.

Edit: We don't technically have Honor anymore.

On 4/9/2020 at 1:29 PM, Ripheus23 said:

I know I'm not actually contributing but at a glance the title almost looked like, "Do and can Bondsmiths have squirrels?"

That's actually still an interesting question to think about. The "can" portion, at least. I think it's likely that squirrels were brought over from Ashyn. The real question is if Bondsmiths would be able to use their surges to manipulate Connection to enable their squirrel(s) to be able to talk Alethi or Veden or whatever.

So I was reading the entry for Bronze in the wiki, and apparently the Rhythms on Roshar are investiture? Whose investiture are they?

They're not Odium's, right? Somebody in Oathbringer refers to him as the void which consumes Rhythms or something, and some Rhythms aside from ones he created are inaccessible while under his influence. Is this Cultivation's magic? Surgebinding's Honor's investiture, Voidbinding is Odium's, and the Old Magic, whatever the hell that is, is Cultivation's. Are the Rhythms also hers? Based on the wiki's Rhythm entry under Singers, I'm going to guess not.

Then are they, like the rest of Roshar, Adonalsium's investiture?

I would not want to be burning bronze in the middle of a highstorm.

In the article for Scadrial on the wiki under "Lands to the South," it says that they're very cosmere-aware and that Kelsier taught them about Adonalsium. This makes sense, given his words to Spook at the end of Secret History, but the citation doesn't match up. Citation ten links to chapter 22 of The Bands of Mourning, but I can't find any indication that their Sovereign taught them about big god boi.

Why did that one portion get struck through?

The Stormfather's description of how highstorms renew spheres in Oathbringer sounds like a perpendicularity. It's not one. Why?

The page on the wiki for "perpendicularity" also says that perpendicularities are "stable junction." It is unclear what "stable" means here, as a bunch of the perpendicularities given later in the article are "unstable." Should the definition of perpendicularity there be changed?

34 minutes ago, RShara said:

This theory is pretty common, but it has some major problems with it.

1. Hoid was at the Shattering, and it doesn't sound like he objected to it.

2. He kind of thought it was necessary.

3. He has a remnant of the weapon used to kill Adonalsium as part of him, keeping him immortal.

4. He turned down a Shard. It'd be much easier to get pieces with the amount of power that a Shard has, than to go around sneaking trying to get little pieces.

5. The amount of investiture he's getting from the different powers he's managed to get is minuscule compared to even one Shard, let along all 16.

Him wanting to rebuild Adonalsium or even a mini-version just doesn't make any sense to me.

It would be really weird for someone who wanted the Shattering to happen, and has part of what killed Adonalsium helping to keep him immortal, to want to bring back the thing that he wanted to kill, while he holds part of the thing that killed it. And reuniting all the Shards would be much easier if he had a Shard of his own, but he doesn't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's really that third point that drives the nail in the coffin. I feel like I can explain away the others. To the first and second, he could have been fine with the killing of whoever Adonalsium was and could have changed his mind in the millennia since then. To the fourth and fifth, the theory doesn't dictate that he's trying to rejoin the powers with himself as the new Adonalsium. I can't say anything about that third point, though. And I feel like I read somewhere that he (believes that he) can accomplish whatever he's trying to do easier without a Shard. 

Guess it's back to the drawing board for figuring out Hoid's motives. Or the waiting room.

I've rewritten this several times, and I keep revising my answer. I'm not exactly sure how the Nahel bond works in terms of Spiritwebs and species that aren't human, or if Spiritwebs are even the determining factor in spren intelligence through a bond.

I've been at this for far too long.

Here's my conclusion. In the case of Kandra, at least, the only difference between a Mistwraith and a human is some blockage existing between the Physical and Cognitive Realms. Spiritually, they're the same (I think), so, therefore, their Spiritwebs shouldn't be any less human as a Mistwraith or a Kandra, and a spren wouldn't lose sentience. 

Oh, well. It's good to have confirmation. Thanks for the info about spoilers here.

There's not much to put in the body of this. Cultivation and the Nightwatcher. Honor and the Stormfather. I see a pattern there. The problem with this pattern is that the Unmade, who are already large Splinters of Odium, exist. Unless the Sibling is the true ninth unmade. I feel like Hessi's doubts as to Dai-Gonarthis being the ninth Unmade are, from the perspective of reading a book, foreshadowing that Dai-Gonarthis isn't actually the ninth unmade.

I'm going to hazard a guess that the answer I'll receive to this will be "we just don't know" or else a mod sending a frame-perfect WoB link to someone getting RAFO'd into the next century, but I figured I'd ask it anyhow. I'm kinda writing this to see if my theory about this has any merit, or if it's already been talked about elsewhere on the forums or Reddit.

Also, I don't know how spoilers are treated in this chat, so I'm going to just spoiler everything from here on out. Beware spoilers for smatterings of the Stormlight Archive, Mistborn: Secret History, and the first Mistborn trilogy, technically.

That got quite ramble-y. Terribly sorry.

26 minutes ago, Calderis said:

@Quantus the warping mentioned is precisely why he s "backpedalling on Savants."

Not wanting to stray into spoilers here, but we've seen Savants clearly in Spook, and in Soulcasters (which I'm not going to dig into) and the thing that they have in common is that there are severe and obvious drawbacks to what has been done to them. 

Wax lacks these negative effects. I am reticent at this point to call Wax a Savant precisely because of that. He has things going for him and no negative aspects to his overuse of the power. 

This is apparently where we disagree. 

What I'm saying is that the power involved in Allomancy is shaped by the metal, and then pours through the Spiritual aspect to create an effect. If what I believe is true, that is not the case in Feruchemy (with physical traits at least).

Imagine that Allomancy pours power into the Spiritual aspect to create an effect and that then flows outward to the Physical. What I'm saying Feruchemy does is intercepts the natural flow of Investiture from the Spiritweb to the Physical and intercepts that to store. When you tap, it moves outward from the metal to the physical and doesn't touch the Spiritual. 

If this is true, then in compounding Feruchemy, there would be now power influx to the spiritual, it would hit the Feruchemical trait and then proceed either into the metal where the compounder wished it, or directly to the Physical aspect to manifest. 

No Spiritual pressure to cause the warping from overuse. 

To what you said about Wax, I agree. There's another Coinshot who also uses a steel bubble in Bands of Mourning (the fact that Wax can create a steel bubble is has been used as an indication of Wax's savant nature), and Wax doesn't treat that steel bubble as odd or abnormal when he encounters it, and savants are definitely both odd and abnormal.

Miles burned a lot of gold for his, to quote Wax, "constant compounding." Did that make him a gold savant? The time he used his gold Allomancy in The Alloy of Law didn't seem to differ from normal gold burning. Miles isn't mentioned in The Coppermind's entry for savant. Was Miles a gold compounding savant? Is that a thing? In The Alloy of Law, Wax mentions that compounding can be dangerous to stop once started, which is kind of what Kelsier said when he told Vin that flaring metals frequently did strange things to the people who did so.

I know that cosmere standard is defined by Yolen. I was basically looking for some WoB's which would say if the "size" (I guess I'll just assume that size refers to mean radius) and gravitation of Yolen and Scadrial were equivalent to Earth or not.

In Khriss's system introductions at the beginning of each new section of the book, she refers to the size and gravitation of the planets in the cosmere relative to a "cosmere standard" of size and gravitation. What is size defined as? Is it mean radius? Is the cosmere standard also equivalent to Earth's gravitation and size?

On 7/16/2018 at 3:23 PM, Calderis said:

I don't disagree, I just think the outright belief that he is serving Odium would be a detriment. He no longer believes he is uniting.

I still hold out for it, because I think it fits well. I just am not as confident as I was. 

I feel like Mr. T might undergo some serious growth or have a change of heart or something in one of the future books, causing him to bond the Nightwatcher. No other known character has sought out the Nightwatcher who hasn't already bonded a spren. The Sibling was the spren of Urithiru (or at least the spren that watched over it), so I would guess Navani would bond The Sibling. I do like the idea of Rlain bonding The Sibling. It is also possible that not all of the Bondsmith spren will be bonded, but I find that to be too large of a missed writing opportunity for it to happen.

Spoiler for Part 5/5 of OB

Well, never mind.

6 hours ago, Crucible of Shards said:

As a counter, Zahel himself admits he's not a good ardent, and Dalinar doesn't take him too seriously. So I still think it's quite possible. And besides, who says ardents can't have reasons to travel as long as it's within their owner's will/permission/duty to?

I still feel like any prolonged absence on Zahel's part would have been noted at some point during WoR. Also, Zahel might not be a good ardent, but that doesn't really matter. (I say "might not be" as if it's up for debate. He's not a good ardent.) He isn't an ardent. He's a sword trainer guy.

Alright. Didn't know that.

I was doubting that love would produce this effect.