MistSailer

Urgh my bad, thought I saw that on here a while ago. I'm going to still believe it though haha. I just won't quote it as canon.

It's possible that we haven't seen any Odium manifestation along those lines because we're only 1/10th of the way into the epic. And the fact that Kaladin is manifesting powers at all is pretty strange. No one has in 45 hundred years (Szeth doesn't count, he got them through some other method (hence no spren). Also we don't even know exactly what Odium powers. So it's hard to see if Kaladin has manifested that in any way. As far as benefits go, I think dual-championing could work for Honor the same way it worked for Preservation, though the benefits and planning required to pull off a similar double cross will have to be done by the humans, as Honor is dead. Hell maybe Honor is referencing the battle for Scandrial. Seeing it work there, he passes winning strategies onto Dalinar. How conscious of other shardworlds are the Shards?

Ever since Brandon revealed that the AoL AA was written by Hoid, I've just assumed that any first person Ars Arcanums (not the Mistborn ones for example) are Hoidian. I think Jasnah would know A TON more than is detailed in the ars arcanum, wheras I assume Hoid has been on Roshar most recently for only a few months (as Wit) As for why Jasnah needs to die. I agree that it's something she already knows. She also knows the danger, and probably why the danger. We learn at the end of WoK that she had the whole voidbringer thing figured out for a while. She clearly knows a lot more than that. And has deep understandings of many other things as well (Shadesmar) I haven't figured out, or even really had any real ideas about what is motivating the Ghostbloods, but whatever it is has to be related to the Final Desolation, and Jasnah, in her chain of research has come across huge things I assume. This puts the two at conflict. Again, no idea what that conflict actually is tho.

I guess the only response to Dalinar knowing his curses, and not being like "oh damnation, I wish the Thrill wasn't so crappy, curse you nightwatcher! -shakes fist at sky-" would be that he isn't actually right about the curse and boon. If his memory was affected, there's no reason not to believe there is more not in his mind. It's hard to realize memories are gone. He notices the lack of wifely memories, but that's because she was such a big part of his life, and others, that a clean cut would be immpossible. Little individual details and moments relating to his curse/boon (what they are, what he asked etc) could have been affected without his knowledge. It would be really convoluted to work out but 1. That's fun and 2. Brandon Sanderson, convoluted? nahhhhhhh

Thank you for the welcome, I've already composed a few too big posts and I feel right at home! Haha as long as I don't sound like an idiot. As far as spiking I wouldn't worry to much about it, it's probably just sfdjasdotiasjdoiasdt, FORGET EVERYTHING YOU HAVE HEARD ABOUT SPIKING, IT IS UNIMPORTANT HAIL THE ADMINS.

I hadn't thought of his hate! It's exactly what humans -don't- need as the Final Desolation approaches. Almost unfortunately the light and darks are going to have to cooperate if they want to beat this. Honor's biggest message to Dalinar is UNITE THEM, and Kaladin, as such influences (if we go with this), can't do that. He might even, in the name of saving the darkeyes, work -against- Honor buy trying to overthrow/overpower/kill the lighteyes. (Luckily Dalinar has shown there is still h/Honor in lighteyes. As far as Raoden is concerned, is as much as said that the Dor uses him. My belief is that the Dor is basically Sel's word for Investiture (aka Vin/Vasher/Shallan with their allomancy/Breath(endowment? I forget is there a name for that art?)/Soulcasting are all tapping into the Dor. However I don't think it was the whole Dor being jammed (get it?), as we see the Monastary monks accessing it through Skai (I'm assuming), and of course allomancy and otheres were used extensively for a period of at least 1000 years, which overlaps the fall of Elantris (if I have my timeline right). SO, the Dor was just blocked (dammit Szeth, stop Lashing the Dor shut [i'm gonna milk this one for all it's worth]), in just one instance (shard). I believe therefore that not only was the Dor championing Raoden for non-sentient reasons, aka he tried to access it a bunch, but the leftovers of Aona championed him to help restore the real focus of her(?) investiture. Preservation was terribly sentient after he imprisioned Ruin and he STILL was able to totally own him in the double-guessing/crossing/championing game they played for 1024 years. So yeah, big rebuttal for small point. Lastly, I don't know if riding the storms is proof of this theory. The Radiants were said to ride the storm (don't have a quote, but I think this is mentioned by Teft, with sources in his ancestry of the people who waited for the Radiants, and I feel that the tidbits we get from him/them are accurate/based in fact) and we know that at the height of their powers, they were of Honor (their shardplates/blades glowed with his power). So I think his surgebinding and his riding the storm come from the same place (Honor), but it's being twisted by Odium. Hence the double championing. Also, for some proof shoe-horning (is that a thing), when Honor says that getting Odium to pick a champion "might work for [Dalinar/humanity]" it would make sense (for my/this theory to work) if Honor meant that to mean he would champion the same person. (Like with Vin) A consequence I thought of: it will rip Kaladin apart if this is 1. true, 2. he finds out and 3. it cause him to do harm. Once again he will have "failed," and his flaw seems to be that just as he climbs a mountain, he loses someone(s) and loses all will as he assumes (faux?[see hoid's story and kaladin's contemplation afterward]) responsibility for it. Unless that theme was solely for this book, and in saving br 4 he's over that, I bet this would be the peakiest of his despair vis-a-viz this sense of responsibility.

So I just finished TWoK -again-. Once again something that really stuck out for me was Honor/Tanavast's reference to a champion in Dalinar's last vision. Who is/will be this champion? What is a champion? Second question first I guess. (I'm sure this has been addressed before, I'm new shut up =P)I'm guessing this will work very similarly to Vin. Also Raoden. Both were chosen by a shard to save/rebuild/assume the world/the world/the shard. (Apparently I'm a fan of convoluted slash phases). Vin is chosen by both shards, but Preservation is sneakier, so that works out. Raoden, I think, is chosen by something about Aona that is a little less defined then whatever in Preservation chose Vin (and of course much less than Ruin's direct manipulations). Hence his attacks by the Dor (sorta the mist parallel right guys?). So we've seen it as a theme. If I wanted to expend the effort I could scour Warbreaker and choose one of the characters as Endowment's champion...or maybe that will be in the sequel. So! My theory. It seems pretty obvious that Kaladin has been chosen by Tanavast in some way. Whether directly, by some spiritual lineage (CHILD OF HONOR), I'm not so sure. I guess there aren't any hard and fast rules for shardic champions yet. HOWEVER, what if Odium has also chosen Kaladin. Proof: none yet. Indirect prrof: We've seen this before (vin). Two competing shards picking the same champion, so that the battle for their soul/mind/intent is also for the world(/world/world ). This would also make the summary on the back of WoK very interesting. Maybe "one of them may save us" -and- "one of them will (this definitive scares me very much) destroy us" are actually both Kaladin! (cause Szeth seems too obvious, I actually also think he might be the savior, Hrathen style). Again I have no basis, but I think if anyone (please respond </shameless dig>) were to follow this out and see what the repercussions are it could be interesting. It also (if true) would raise questions. Are Kaladin's one or two visions from Honor/Heralds actually? Or are they the first sign of Odium's malicious intervention. Syl...player or pawn? (Sorry, inside joke from my high school, when everyone wrote Hamlet essay's about Gertrude...don't be mad) What about Dalinar? Anyway. Please, find some solutions to this equation; find the end of the string in this knot.

I kinda theorized that the amnesia was the boon as well. Unfortunately my main reason for thinking that (as well as seeing it here) is that it would be such a classic move for Brandon. Whether Dalinar remembers he asked for this isn't clear to me, but if I had to offer an opinion I would say he does. Now that leaves us with a curse to figure out. I went over the things we know about the Nightwatcher: she delivers one each, and looking at the curses I'd say the effects are cognitive. The world being flipped upside down: perception. Numb hands: linked to the nervous system/brain. Even Dalinar's curse/boon (burse? coon?) is all in his head if you look at it right. If I stretch it a bit I can even link this to what Tanavast (sp?) says about Cultivation (a strong candidate in the forums for Nightwatcher if I'm correct) and her future sight fits. I'd guess said sight is gained/used through/in the Cognitive realm. THUS we're looking for curse (according to my craziness) that affects Dalinar in single, simple, and definitive cognitive nature. (I believe Sanderson being the master of foreshadowing he is that it makes sense that we -would- have seen it) the first thing that really jumped out at me was the Thrill. Dalinar was having trouble with it as we all know. YES I know he's probably right to get sick at the sight of the atrocities of war, but I do have an answer. Kaladin, who is clearly very much tied to honor (unless he's actually Odium's dark champion, and the one on the back cover who "will destroy us" but that's a devils advocate-y theory for another day). He is able to define the Parshedi as them. If we can accept that there isn't anything inherently wrong with the Thrill then, in this case at least, Dalinar losing it amidst battles seems pretty cursy to me. I get that the major hole in this is that him feeling sick might be right, but I still think it works. As far as an earlier post suggesting his honor is his curse, I find myself disagreeing. I feel that the honor we see in him is the end result of a long painful character arc of introspection and change (enough to maybe fill a books worth of log flashbacks mmmm? I'm looking at you SA book 3) not the result of a Cognitive curse brought suddenly as a result of the nightwatcher. Thus ends my first attempt at a theory post.

I don't even know what to say. Been popping around for a few weeks now. When I started using this site to really put stuff together it blew my freaking mind. Started Sanderson with mistborn over a year and a half ago-ish? Read that trilogy and then elantris, by this time elevating Sanderson past Terry pratchett for my fav author. Read a late draft of warbreaker then way of kings. Got my gf into the books and she got me aol. Reread all of them of course and just finished wok for the fifth? time upon purchasing a signed hardcover. Tl;dr I freakin' love these books. Hello! I hope I can post the smart and interesting things upon your communal digital analogy of a bulletin board based communication system.