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25 minutes ago, XaviGzz said:

Hi everyone!

Why does Rashek count as being Ascended if he never held the shard, or even a splinter of it?

I'm not sure if in-world in mistborn era 2 they state Rashek Ascended, but the coppermind does talk about him being Ascended. Additionally, in Secret History, he could have lingered longer in the CR (because of this), but chose not to.

Is the requirement for being Ascended holding enough raw investiture from a shard? 

I assume Dalinar Ascended because of his bond to the Stormfather, Honor's CS and splinter. 

If someone from Mistborn era 1 could have gotten hold of all atium, and burned it, would he have Ascended as well? (I ask this because if I recall correctly, God metals equal shardpools just in a different state of matter.)

The shardpool that he used is a Splinter, I believed.

On 10/29/2019 at 2:30 PM, Invocation said:

Nahel bonds with singers weren't possible. Something changed. Now they are, judging from Venli. That's as much as I know.

I actually think Nahel Bonds with singers were always possible, they just didn't do them for some reason. Maybe something to do with why Venli's spren can only speak thru the rhythms.

I think Aluminum is an investiture sink because of something in its spiritweb.

On 9/28/2019 at 8:33 AM, Ahriman said:

I don't want it to happen at all. Let him keep a blade that's almost conscious if he must, but I have no interest in seeing anyone come back from the dead. I also don't want Adolin to be anything approaching a Knight Radiant.

Spren never truly die, they just kind of of forget themselves.

6 hours ago, Karger said:

He was human.

 

Basically.

Do we have evidence that he was human

Perfect Gems are more than just certain proportions. There is something special about them

11 hours ago, Bigmikey357 said:

This one's simple. We know Hemalugy warps your spirit web. We know that too many spikes allows for Ruin and now Harmony to gain control over you. My question is, is that control limited to those two shards or can any of the other 15 grab the reins so to speak? Is it just a Ruin thing since he was the originator of the magic system or is it a shardic thing since there's nothing special about the metal used to make a spike? I tend to lean towards the latter in my opinion with one caveat. A  Shard has more control over a construct made by  a spike of that Shard's godmetal. For example, if Sazed wants to control the Fakeless Immortals, he's gotta push Trell out of system first.

I'm pretty sure any shard beside Preservation, can use the spikes and holes fro communicating.

4 hours ago, Quantus said:

A worldhopper who's whole schtick was going around collecting different Senses would be all kinds of interesting.  Im curious what the limits are... 

We know you can store Life Sense, Steel/Iron-Sight, and even A-Bronze.  Im not sure if you could store the Temporal Vision abilities of burning Gold or Electrum, though Im going to go out on a limb and say you cannot store Atium since it might get the temporal sense but not the Expanded Mental Capacity that Atium grants to actually interpret and use all that branching temporal input.  Im confident you could store the Perfect Color Recognition and Perfect Pitch, thought it's a very good question whether that would require a separate Sight or Sound Metalmind, though I dont see much downside in the twinborn segregating them just to be safe.   

Im trying to think of other possible Cosmere Senses you could try to store...  We havent yet seen all that much on Roshar that would qualify as a Sense, though I think there are hints at Lightweaving having an Awareness element (Shalan accidentally draws some True things, and Renarin's whole Inverted Precognition thing).  You could probably store the Spren-vision of a Horneater alaii'iku but given that it's a genetic trait you'd need to pull some Medallion or Spike shenanigans to make it happen.  

One of the more tactically interesting things I can think of is the Combo possibilities of the Dor.  The Dor (and to some extent every Dor-based magic) is describes as hacking the Source Code of the Cosmere itself.  Unlike most magics it has nearly unlimited customization possibilities (AonDor especially).  So there is almost certainly more than one Dor-based Sensory upgrade you could get, and by the Dor's nature it's going to be highly customization. And the really cool thing is that the Twinborn (TinBorn?) would only have to experience it once to store and compound it, after which he could use it anywhere in the Cosmere!  That's right baby, Dor effects fueled by Preservation!

The Listerner's sense to hear the rhythms.

Question:

If we somehow gave Nightblood allomantic powers, once he started burning could he keep draining even after runnig out of metal because of his other properties.

I think bronze can't sense Feruchemy because it's "quieter" like how lightweaving is "quieter"  then windrunning

1 hour ago, Calyx said:

Is Shallan really on her fourth oath? And if she was at some point, shouldn't she have regressed? She still seems to be suppressing her various truths most of the time.

As for Kaladin, swearing the fourth oath has been set up to be a pretty huge deal - his inability to do so led almost directly to Elhokar's death. I expect swearing the oath to be a huge part of his arc in book 4, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is his father who helps him do so.

I have to admit, though, that Sanderson loves subverting expectations. The idea of someone like Teft actually surpassing Kaladin in radiancy, even if only temporarily, is interesting.

I have a fan theory that Highspren choose radiants that can reach the third oath but don't understand enough about what the oaths are trying to teach to reach the fourth oath.

I would prefer is another Windrunner passes Kaladin on screen

Awaken things can fly the example was in Oathbringer

I'm in Team Puzzler all the way

Because it's close to future sight. Imagine if you could see and hear everything anywhere, and then you used that to create super predictions.

16 minutes ago, Quantus said:

What WOB are you referring to?  There are several that specifically say that the placement is critical, and that knowing the points is a lot of the difficulty. 

It's a mix between the WoB and hemalurgy table. The WoB that says that you could spike anywhere, but if you don't get a bindpoint it would just be junk spiritweb that you couldn't use, and the table tells us spikeing someone with aluminum destroys all of their powers.

I would like to join.

5 hours ago, Jofwu said:

Well, Illumination can create anything. I guess, based on what Shallan did at the end of OB, maybe you can give your illusory waves some kind of substance. But I wouldn't consider that any interaction with actual water.

Transportation = Elsecalling, which so far as we know is just the ability to enter Shadesmar from wherever. (and maybe teleportation?) Nothing about adding motion to physical things.

Illumination allows you to control any type of wave and anything that can behaves like a wave sometimes, waves follow some transformation of a sign graph so an Lightweaver could create actually waves out of water

Transportation is the surge of transportation and motion. They can give water motion and make waves.

6 minutes ago, Jofwu said:

Mastery over water? I'm really curious what this is referring to. Stormlight isn't Avatar: The Last Airbender. It's not like there's a Surge giving "mastery" over each element/essence. I expect many Surges can interact with water, just as much as they do with any other substance...

It's possible Adhesion works with water. Khriss thinks it's related to "atmospheric pressure", and it's only a small jump from there to manipulation of pressure in fluids in general. (so... when are we going to get a Windrunner to dive into Aimia's underwater caves?) Don't see any reason why Gravitation can't be applied to water, though I can't imagine what the use would be. Division superheats water to steam? Abrasion makes it a better lubricant? Obviously it can be Soulcasted. And we don't know much about Cohesion and Tension, but why not?

So it's probably just Progression, Illumination, and Transportation which are irrelevant when it comes to water.

Illumination can create waves and Transportation can just add motion to the water.

I'm predicting sometime between era 3 and era 4 there will be a mass hunting of mistings and ferrings purging scadrial of the bloodlines.

I think the more important question is if you don't hit a bindpoint do you still kill the persom and remove their powers.

They're not related. First both events happened across at least one ocean away. And there is only 10 years or less between the two stories.

1 hour ago, Dizzy said:

That could make sense but I don't think it does really. Otherwise, why would Odium need to travel to Sel, Threnody, etc. to splinter the Shards? If their power is everywhere, why not just splinter them from a safe location? Also, the Dor is located ONLY in the Cognitive Realm surrounding Sel. If the Dor was the whole Cosmere, then worldhopping would be waaaay more dangerous regardless of where you go. In addition, lets say Harmony was permeating the whole Cosmere, then why aren't any Rosharans born with Connection to him? I am not trying to say you are wrong, because you could totally be right, I just do not understand how that would mesh with the current systems/situations that we see.

When you shatter a shard, you got to do it at the focus of the shard, the mind of the shard. Also Dominion and Devotion were only forced into the Cog. Realm after they were shattered.

I kind of feel like a shard of Divine Intervention would be a double shard of Cultivation and Endowment or just one of them by themselves.

3 minutes ago, The Forumlurker said:

Hello Shard!

It's by far time I've been on the shard without creating a proper theory! This ones been brewing in my head for a while and its time I share it with the world, and besides, the Elantris forum looks a little empty...

So my proposed theory is that the magic system of AonDor is separate from Identity and Connection unlike any other Cosmere magic system we've seen.

We know that the Dor, or the Investiture of Devotion and Dominion, exists inside the Cognitive Realm. We also know that Connection and Identity plays a big part in what makes the Spiritual Realm, where most Investiture is stored. Aons have a wide range of powers and this could be due to the lack of set rules put in place by the Shards of Adolusium, they also can effect practically anyone! I believe that these factors leads to Identity having less of an impact on Sel's magic systems. Of course, Identity and Connection still effect the magic, otherwise anyone could draw Aons, Elantrian or not! To prove this theory more information could be used, either we all wait for the sequel to Elantris or we ask Brandon some questions, hopefully not being RAFO'd!

This is my first theory and I would like to know what you think.

Questions For Brandon!

Could an Elantrian make a stamp with an Aon on it then use it instead of drawing their Aons?

Could Multiple Elantrians work together on drawing one massive Aon, would this have any effects on the magic?

@Ladrian 

AonDor depends on Connection. You can't become an Elantrian if you don't have a Connection to Arelon, Teod, and the other country that Galladon's from.

Elantrian can make a stamp, that's what Elantris, the city, is one giant huge stamp. They can't normally create a soulstamp but someone from Maipon and also has the scepter could create soulstamps in Arelon.

1 hour ago, HSuperLee said:

The state of the metal does not affect it's viability for the metalic arts. The metalic arts do not provide any special protection against the properties of the metal. If you have protection against the dangers of the metal, it is still viable.

I actually think that the state of the metal effects the metallic arts. The power(investiture) is shaped by the metal decomposing into something(probably investiture), liquid iron has a different structure then solid iron, so if the lattice structure of iron helps shape A-Iron then it does effect the ability.