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1 hour ago, gbazz4 said:

 

I believe Hoid does an awakening in the epilogue. He whispers words to a doll and sets it down and the doll starts walking. It was a way for him to coax a little girl out of her hiding place. So if Hoid can do an awakening (I presume through stormlight since he has been on the planet for a while) then it would seem likely to me that it is possible for Vasher/Zahel to figure out how to do an awakening using stormlight. 

Azure knows how to as well. When the fused were chasing them down on the ship, she starts arranging things in human-like shapes.

I don't understand why they'd say ten levels if they were analogous to orders though...

What if the it goes as the following

1. No form

2. Standard form - lesser spren and singer

3. Storm form and it's equivalents - odium spren and singer

4. Fused - singer and singer

x. Thunderclasts and equivalent - singer and earth

x. Araman - unmade and host???

x. Unmade ???

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Dearest Cephandrius, I received your communication, of course.
I noticed its arrival immediately, just as I noticed your many intrusions into my land.
You think yourself so clever, but my eyes are not those of some petty noble, to be clouded by a false nose and some dirt on the cheeks.
You mustn’t worry yourself about Rayse. It is a pity about Aona and Skai, but they were foolish—violating our pact from the very beginning.
Your skills are admirable, but you are merely a man. You had your chance to be more, and refused it.
No good can come of two Shards settling in one location. It was agreed that we would not interfere with one another, and it disappoints me that so few of the Shards have kept to this original agreement.
As for Uli Da, it was obvious from the outset that she was going to be a problem. Good riddance.
Regardless, this is not your concern. You turned your back on divinity. If Rayse becomes an issue, he will be dealt with. And so will you.

Cephandrius, bearer of the First Gem, You must know better than to approach us by relying upon presumption of past relationship.
You have spoken to one who cannot respond. We, instead, will take your communication to us—though we know not how you located us upon this world.
We are indeed intrigued, for we thought it well hidden. Insignificant among our many realms.
As the waves of the sea must continue to surge, so must our will continue resolute. Alone.
Did you expect anything else from us? We need not suffer the interference of another. Rayse is contained, and we care not for his prison.
Indeed, we admire his initiative. Perhaps if you had approached the correct one of us with your plea, it would have found favorable audience.
But we stand in the sea, pleased with our domains. Leave us alone.
We also instruct that you should not return to Obrodai. We have claimed that world, and a new avatar of our being is beginning to manifest there. She is young yet, and—as a precaution—she has been instilled with an intense and overpowering dislike of you.
This is all we will say at this time. If you wish more, seek these waters in person and overcome the tests we have created. Only in this will you earn our respect.

Friend, Your letter is most intriguing, even revelatory.
I would have thought, before attaining my current station, that a deity could not be surprised. Obviously, this is not true. I can be surprised. I can perhaps even be naive, I think.
I am the least equipped, of all, to aid you in this endeavor. I am finding that the powers I hold are in such conflict that the most simple of actions can be difficult.
I am also made uncertain by your subterfuge. Why have you not made yourself known to me before this? How is it you can hide? Who are you truly, and how do you know so much about Adonalsium?
If you would speak to me further, I request open honesty. Return to my lands, approach my servants, and I will see what I can do for your quest.

Well, I must admit, as I was reading through it, I found the letter confusing. (But didn't take much note of that, because I knew I'd come back to it).

In hindsight, when collected, it is obvious that it is actually three responses, rather than just one.

The first seems to be a Shard who has settled by themselves. Interesting that they all made a pact to not settle together, in case of interference. Uli Da is not a name I have heard before. Also, this Shard seems to think they have Odium in hand...

The second seems go have reached an organisation of some form. I would have guessed the Ire, but that's just  a long shot. Obradai and a new avatar is interesting though. Also, why are they impressed with Rayse's initiative. Is he going around breaking up shards who have settled on planets together?

Finally, Mistborn Trilogy 1 Spoiler

There we go. That makes much more sense.

Id completely forgotten those WoBs

My question would that Honour was surprised when spen developed Surgebinding. I think that was Honour, anyway.

This would then imply that there was no Surgebinding before the desolations began, because it was just the Heralds by themselves at that point. 

So how did Surgebinders destroy their previous world, if they didn't exist (other than the Heralds I suppose) before Roshar. Unless somewhere else had seen, and desolations.

There is so much we don't know.

3 minutes ago, RShara said:

In Dalinar's first flashback, he's slightly older than 17 (theory is 19), and that flashback was 34 years ago.  So he would be somewhere around 50 or 51, Roshar years.

Which works out to be almost 70 in Earth years. This was something I was struggling to get my mind around too.

The biggest issue to me is that Odium seems to think he is a shard of passion, but Syl directly states that he sucks in emotion, and was the void that humanity brought with them.

These two descriptions seem to be at odds, but both seem to be shown in the text, Odiums raw power definitely feels like Passion when Dalinar feels it, but he also later talks about taking away the emotions and feelings.

I also wonder if Odium is influencing histories.

On 2017-5-19 at 5:51 AM, iohn said:

I like this theory.

 

The mold doesn't necessarily have to be the final villain, any more than the ash was the final villain in mistborn era 1, odium or some other baddy can still be the villain that's using/encouraging the mold.

This alongside that the opposition to Adonalsium created a weapon to fight it.

 

CHAOS (17TH SHARD)

BRANDON SANDERSON

I laughed so hard when I read this. 

On 25/11/2016 at 3:25 PM, Jondesu said:

Do we know if Nale has spent all of the time between the last Desolation and the current time on Roshar?  I could see Returned (at least the Hallandren Gods) being considered Demigods, or perhaps other characters on other planets, if he's worldhopped at all.  In fact, could that be connected to why Vasher is on Roshar, and why Nale has Nightblood?

There is a WoB that says they haven't left the Greater Roshar system since then as they are bound to it. 

Atium itself isn't any more invested than any other metal. The metals for Allomancy act as 'forms' (I think that's the term that is used) rather than investiture. They allow access to the power, but don't contain it (they're like keys). 

In the contrary Feruchemy and Hemalurgy both store investiture in the metals, hence why they are hard to push on.

So I received my Elantris copy in the mail today.

Much excitement.

Basically I asked whether the reason Raoden couldn't interact with Devotion's Shardpool the same way Vin interacted with Preservations was because Devotion was splintered.

The answer is below:

Intriguing.

An obvious 'other army' would be thunderclasts/midnight essense, correct?

I mean, they're definitely different from the parshendi.

"Yes, she did. she makes it clear 'he's back. I'd rather be dead than his slave' (having to paraphrase from the Audiobook.) Then she suicides, that does imply control."

Was wondering whether this was to do with Trell as well... I'm going to go with no, but it's something to consider.

As for Paalm.

She can swap out allomantic/feruchemical spikes - somehow using them (when apparently kandra shouldn't be able to - I'd actually assumed the should... Why not?).

This could be something to do with the new metal... But could it be just a missunderstanding? Maybe kandra can?

She can talk into a person's mind if they are hemalurgically spiked.

This is more interesting. It isn't something we've seen outside of Shardic power before is it? I was tempted to say that it was another Shard speaking to him all along - in some places the choice of words certainly could be - but in others it sounds like it has to be Paalm talking... Or that the other Shard is trying hard to make Wax think that's what Paalm is saying.

I'd assumed the extra Ruin was placed inside the Koloss. Hence the "even Koloss have a choice" comment.

"Harmony foresaw a disaster if you were told whom you hunted.”

This was TenSion at the end of the last chapter. It was something that I brushed over initially, but the Shards he holds do give him some measure of precognition. So if TenSoon said this, Harmony probably didn't have an option.

Could it have been the other Shard talking to him rather than her? Relaying words?

Do we know much more about Dark One than what we have written here.

I would love to know how it wasn't Cosmere, and then became Cosmere.

There was a WoB on the Aluminium messing with the Allomantic/Feruchemical healing. But it was by accident from memory, he said it on accident when he misinterpreted another question. 

I believe Liar is set before Dragonsteel in the timeline. In which case I would suggest something else.

I don't know if unpublished works are meant to be discussed on the forum however, so I won't say any more.
 

This was in response to my question; "Have any of the Heralds left the Greater Roshar system in the last 4500 years?"

"No, they are bound to it."

Didn't really know where to chuck it, but I figured here would do.

EDIT: I was going to upload a photo, but then it was too large, and I got lazy. Sorry

There have been several questions raised recently about the nature of Atium and its alloys. 

The first was that why can Lerasium be burned by anyone whereas Atium can only be burned by Mistings/Mistborn.

The second was what kind of temporal effects its other alloys have - and whether they all relate to their related metal.

We don't really know enough to answer any questions though...

There's some debate on that fact. Right now we haven't seen it, but some theorize it's possible and others (like me!) think that the power of a Shard is too great to be contained in a human body. But on topic, yes, we have WoB that Hoid is not a Shardholder, he is manipulating a lot of different systems to do what he does. Off the top of my head, he is at least a Yolish Lightweaver, a Feruchemist, an Allomancer, and an Awakener.

Sorry to drag it off topic a bit with this one. But its intriguing.

Hero of Ages spoiler

Pretty certain there has been WoB that Wit doesn't hold a shard.
All of the above feats he has achieved through manipulating all the different shardic magic systems.
He's immortal, an Allomancer, as you've stated, a Yolish Lightweaver, has some hundreds of Breaths, amongst other magics.
We also have WoB that he was alive when Adonalsium was shattered. (So he probably knew Tanavast, Atium, Leras etc.)
So yes, he knows a lot he shouldn't, and is capable of doing things few can - but I think this is all due to his long lifespan and what he has accomplished at this time.
So, good theory, but I'm pretty certain he does not currently hold a shard.

On a note, you've raised something I find interesting. Can Shareholders manifest in human form?

EDIT: I really need to remember what form the spoiler tag takes.

 

5. Is Hoid a Herald, or a Shardholder, or something else entirely.

BRANDON SANDERSON (GOODREADS)

5. Hoid is something else entirely.