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I assumed it was because of 'Azure' being a Bio-Chromatic from Nalthis.

Hi. New here myself, but there are plenty of people offering cookies around here, so it can't be all bad. I would say take them. I took mine to join the dark side long ago, and never looked back. Wait, wrong universe...

Also, just went back and re-read that post by Sanderson, and realized he just said 'The first planet with Humans on it was Yolen' NOT that humans originally came from Yolen, Though of course he would have to say it that way because of Scadrial, but it does also leave it open to other possibilities.

Sorry, got distracted from my original thought, which is even when they do voidbind, everyone is SURPRISED by that fact. As far as everyone on Roshar thought all the surgebinding powers started with the Honorblades. So Jasnah should assume that no one had access to any kind of magic before the Honorblades.

Ahh, got it. Investiture does seem to vary from world to world, though. According to the unpublished story The Silence Divine the investiture on Ashyn has to do with people getting powers when they get sick, and that last until they get better. That is unpublished though, so it might not be specifically canonical yet.

The term Voidbinding was used multiple times in the book. Will go back and skim to see who uses it, might just be Kaladin.

Am I the only one who finds the gradual combining of all the cosmere worlds that show just how much work has gone into the world building of the Cosmere to be super cool?

Yes, I'm not worried about the fact that it was a different power. That seemed pretty clear to me. What confuses me is JASNAH making that mistake. It is obvious that it had to be Voidbringing or possibly even some sort of racial memory of Adonalsium splitting in the first place. After all I am pretty certain that we know that all humans were actually created by Adonalsium EXCEPT for the ones on Scadrial, as none of the shards were able to create life on their own, and it was the joint work of both Preservation and Ruin that was necessary to create the humans on Scadrial. So we can probably infer that all humans other than Scadrial humans have in essence come from another world, and powers of investiture will vary. Jasnah should have enough of the pieces even without knowing about investiture to realize that story shouldn't make sense. And she never tells anyone anything until she is sure she has figured it all out. But she is the one who puts the theory forwards in the first place. As for them coming from Ashyn, I don't think so, see above about human creation, but perhaps I am mixed up on my Cosmere knowledge? Anyone else more knowledgeable about the Cosmere than me want to weigh in? Edit* Just realized didn't make my thoughts particularly clear on why it matters. It matters because if the powers were given up because of the radiants fearing that they would inadvertently destroy another world, then Jasnah should be the first one to say 'but that doesn't make sense because...' in order to stop any possibility of it happening again. But she didn't...

Too late. I went to the dark side long ago when they offered me cookies. :-D

O.K. got my thoughts out. Hope they make sense. :-D

O.K. so does anyone else have a serious problem with the revelation of the Recreance? I apologize if anyone else already posted this, I wanted to get this out whilst I was thinking about it, and will go back to read other posts afterwards. So we discover that the Recreance happened because the Knights discover that A. Humans are the voidbringers and B. Humans fled to Roshar after destroying their own world with surgebinding, something that Jasnah says 'she had suspected'. The problem I have with this is that certainly Jasnah, and also all the ardents, and I am pretty certain it is common knowledge to virtually everyone, that the Radiants came AFTER the Heralds. The Heralds were the first to have surge binding powers from the Honorblades, and the Radiants copied those powers with their bonds to Spren. So the early pre-history of Roshar just doesn't hold up. How could humans have destroyed their world with Surgebinding before having had access to Surgebinding? Magic in the cosmere derives from investiture from the local shard, in this case Honor, which means that before coming to Roshar Humans couldn't possibly have been able to Surgebind. Even if Jasnah doesn't have access to all the information we do about the Cosmere and Investiture, surely she would have realized that she was putting the cart before the horse with saying surgebinding destroyed humanity's first world. This is made even more clear with our access to Hoid's parable about the humans having lived in the protected valley of Shinovar, and how they then 'climbed' out, thus giving them access to the Highstorm's Stormlight and the powers of Surgebinding (Which admittedly Jasnah doesn't have access to, but it was just the part that really cemented in my mind that something was really not right). Jasnah is a bit of a mary sue, and from the way she is written I think she should have discovered this error in logical thinking right away, but instead she is actually the one who puts the idea forward. So, taking into account Jasnah's illness as a child, which drove her out of her mind, and the revelation of Radiant's being able to bond to storm twisted spren but still have access to Radiant powers, do people think that Jasnah may be bonded to a corrupted spen too, something that happened to her as a very young child, and she doesn't even realize it? And has it been subtly guiding her since childhood? Is JASNAH the one destined to be Odium's champion? Just a few thoughts. Will continue to think about this for a while, but I only just finished Oathbringer and it will almost certainly take a second reading of Oathbringer (Also, Warbreaker) before I have any other thoughts about the book cemented in my head.

Just saying hi. Then I'm going to mosey on over to a thread that O.K.s spoilers for Oathbringer, because I have a really big problem with something that happened in that book, and would like to hear other people's thoughts.