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23 hours ago, hotrod71nova said:

trilogy series you guys recommend?

This may seam like a young series but I listen to Artemis Fowl and I find it super fun. Both Mistborn era 1 and 1.5 (if you haven't read them yet. LOTR (Lord of the Rings) If you havn't read it yet. Any of the Dune Trilogies are amazing! and there's tons more.

On 3/17/2018 at 10:10 AM, XenosHg said:

 General consensus I've seen so far, including my expericence up to book 7 is: The first several books are not great at all, being stereotypical fantasy with bad characters, then it gets more experimental so the quality drops, then author gets very ill and it really shows, and then he died and B.Sanderson didn't do his books justice.

Uhm... Wow... I don't really see how you get that view Jordans "weak" books from 8-10 were weak for him but still AMAZING books! Book 11 which was the last book written by Jordan is my 3rd to favorite book behind WoK and book thirteen in WoT. Books 4-7 are absolute masterpieces and books 1-3 set up the masterpiece that is wheel of time. Sure some of the books are "weak" in comparison but there weakness actually ads to the series. Not every book can be amazing some HAVE to be set up books!

The thing about huge epic fantasy book series is that not every book can be a climax. In wheel of time we had to go through book like book 8, 9, 10 to make books 13 and 14 so good. What may seem like a character digression may just be a step in the plot we don't know yet. Rand's character in wheel of time seemed to digress in books 10,11,12 but that digression was the set up for his character arch. Also the thing that makes epic fantasy different from normal fantasy is its scale. You said that Oathbringer could have been 400 pages. But the thing is that my favorite part of Oathbringer are those other 733 pages. Those parts of the books that aren't "required" but set the book apart from any old book out there. (These all refer to your first few comments and main post)

4 hours ago, ALAKA said:

Good point, and Brandon does tackle the issues. But at the end of the day a feudal Alethkar is going to be immoral by modern standards, and it's unlikely that even a decent person like Dalinar would question the system. It's just not in their cultural consciousness. Does that make him "deeply flawed"? Perhaps, but he wouldn't even think of it like that. What him and Gavilar, as well as every highlord, do and did in their any of their wars, would be considered a war crime today, but all he and his soldiers regret is the Rift, because that was, even by their standards, beyond the pale.

This is very true. And I think a big part of this story is about people coming to reseal there system. Them WANTING to change it. So that the same thing doesn't repeat.

On 12/24/2017 at 0:28 PM, Vissy said:

Isn't it a bit wasteful to create a character and allocate entire chapters to its existence purely because you want to show a "Dark Kaladin"?

I wouldn't say it was wasteful. And I also don't think that is the only reaeson for the Moash chapters. I think that we are going to see a lot more of him in future books. Also he has a very interesting and fun story line which really ads to the story of Stormlight. And even if something doesn't need to be in the book it can still be in there to make the book better.

2 minutes ago, Vissy said:

Wait, so you seriously think that true love includes loving your husband's alcoholism?

I would say that true love involves loving someone despite and through there flaws. Don't love your husbands alchoholism. Love your husband through the problem and help him overcome. That is what Navani did with Dalinar!

I think when we look at the terms of Roshar choosing to use slavery is about to be one of their worst mistakes. Because there slaves are about to enslave them... Now thats what I call bad karma.

I am of the personal opinion that slavery happened. I don't support it and never will. But it did serve a purpose in accelerating society and I am personally grateful to have a heater. I think the fact that the parshmen were enslaved saved so many humans from being enslaved. (Though there were still human slaves.) I don't hold anything against the parshmen but if I had to choose between a human and a parhsmen as an alethi lord to to put into slavery I would pick a parshman just because that means not having a human slave.

18 minutes ago, eshu said:

Again my interest lies in what makes the story more interesting, the more ambiguity the better in my book, and like you inferred in the end just because a nation has sinned doesn't mean it can't become better.  

I agree completly but bringing this back into what I was saying originally. The Government was corrupt. Not Elhokar. Elhokar could die a million times and it wouldn't change the government. It could possibly just make it more corrupt. And Parshmen to me were treated like being of lesser intelegence. No I don't think that it is moral or justified. But understandable? I would say it is understandable.

25 minutes ago, eshu said:

In OB Kal was talking with a Parshmen who asked a question I feel and hope will be explored for the remainder of the series, just because they couldn't disagree was it okay for them to be made slaves?

A parshmen was no different from a horse. They were animals that served a purpose. They had basic instincts and intelligence but nothing more. Humans didn't even know they WEREN'T animals. And every great nation was built on the back of slaves. Including America. Just because they started that way doesn't mean they can't change.

5 minutes ago, slydog75 said:

Until the Everstorm, the Parshmen were basically very intelligent animals. They did not have a free will of their own.  They seem to me like they were much more like a horse or a chull, than a slave.  Yes, at some far point in the past, humans did this to them, but by Elhokar's time, they have no idea of this. 

This is very true

55 minutes ago, Hero of the Rev said:

But the thing about absolute monarchies like Alethkar is that the king is the government. There is no way to change that absent constraining his power through constitution or deposing the ruler. In this case, Elhokar rules over an apartheid slave state. Whether he was a nice guy or not doesn't really matter. Moash was in the right.

Lets be honest here. Elhokar was NOT the government. He didn't have any control over his highprinces. He was born into king hood. Are you saying that Moash should have killed him because he had no control over a corrupt government?

What is the hint in Elantris?!?!?!?!?!

So there is this WoB that I couldn't figure out. I was wondering if you guys could make heads or tails of it.

Q:  The prevailing theory on the 17th Shard is that Hoid worldhops using Shadesmar. I was wondering if you were willing to confirm or deny that?
A:  Hoid has indeed gotten between worlds before through Shadesmar.
Q:  And would you be willing to give us a hint as to how he does that?
A:  There are hints in the books. There is a hint in the very first cosmere book I released. [that would be Elantris] Which I thought was a huge hint, but so far I haven't seen anyone talking about it.  I thought for sure once people started figuring the cosmere, they would see the massive in-your-face hint I put in that book, but so far, as far as I know, no one has.  Now, the one [hint] about the map, that one I don't think is obvious. I know people have been trying to figure it out. It's going to be fun once you figure it out, but it's not something huge and obvious. The Elantris once was, like, enormously "HIIINT!"

27 minutes ago, Song said:

One of my favourite bits of this book was the emphasis on Bridge 4. Even though Kalladin only got cameos in these scenes, we get to see really interesting sides to him. The B4 folks look up to him but don't see him as perfect.  The "they saved me as much as I saved them" concept was really refreshing.  So even though we (I suspect dilberately) didn't have the sweep in and save the day Kal, we saw a richer side of him in this book.

YES! I really loved bridge four in this! I think that adding the element of some of our favorite characters perspective was nice. But I do have to say my all time favorite Kaladin scene was in WoR when he jumped into the dueling pit with Adolin and faced all of the shard bearers.

2 hours ago, Hero of the Rev said:

Frankly, Elhokar deserved what he got. The Parshmen may be tools of Odium but that hardly justifies their enslavement.

I would strongly have to disagree with this. Elhokar may not have been a good king but that doesn't mean he deserved to be killed. He was earnestly striving to change and grow. And he never had bad motives. Just because he lives in a twisted society doesn't mean he should die because of it. Just because the government is bad doesn't mean the king is evil.

Hi guys. So I've seen a lot of people talk about Moash in threads so far. So I decided to start one on him. Here you can talk about what you think about his charachter. Weather what he has done is morally right.

Moash, to me, represents what Kaladin could have become. They are both so similar and one of their biggest differences is a choice. Kaladin chose not to let his past rule him. While Moash let what Roshone and the king had done rule him. He let his past control him. I am of the opinion that Moash should be killed in this book. He has already had his second chance but instead of taking it he turned against bridge four. And later he joined the voidbringers and killed Elhokar. He let vengeance become his life. And when he fulfilled it he felt less fulfilled.

What do you guys think?

6 hours ago, Oberyn said:

I think that he was actually a savior in part one, it's just that he was a low-key one. His scene announcing that the KR returned in hearthstone was amazing in that it gave people hope. It also reinforced his sense of responsability in being part of the Knights, which, even if he doesn't need, has a purpose within his character. The scene where he saved the humans from the highstorm was also a scene with the same vibe.

Part one actually really made me nervous. Because to me Kaladin had started to become superman near the ends of WoR. (By that I mean when everything was bad he would swoop in and save the day) And the book literally started with Kal flying in and saving the day. I didn't want to see him become some kind of gooey hero. I was glad that we got to see him humanized like he was in the latter parts.

I think this book wasn't a Kaladin book. We saw a lot of him not being the lead power savior guy. He did all of that during the last two. We got to see him constantly have to rely on other people. Even his big hero moment where he was fighting Amaram and the fused Rock ended up killing Amaram. But I really apreciated that. I was kind of starting to feel like Kaladin was turning into super man and when all was getting dark KALADIN WOULD SWOOP IN! (Which I love but it was happening to much) I think this book was a very humanizing book for Kaladin. We see that he isn't the major power who saved the day. We got to see him as a part or piece in a group.

Yes I know we are all hoping for an epic Kaladin vr Moash... I'm not sure whether I want Kaladin to kill Moash or for Moash to switch back to his sides. What I think would really make it intense is if Moash killed Kal's parents... That would be heart wrenching.

4 minutes ago, Kered said:

The scene with Kaladin attempting to stop his friends among the Singers and Wall Guard from killing each other was one of the best executed emotional scenes I've ever read. Elhokar being brutally killed by Moash and the Moash's salute to Kaladin was just absolutely gut wrenching. 

Yeah this for me was incredibly sad and gut wrenching. To see Kaladin torn in so many ways like that. It broke my heart. But I feel like it was important to his charachter development. It really shows that he can't save everyone. It was shoved down his throat in a way he couldn't forget or move on from. It was for me one of the biggest scenes for him. I think that this scene will have emotional repercussions for him in the future. I'm must not sure for or for bad.

Hey guys! I just thought I would make a topic commemorated to Kaladin's total awesomeness.

So I'm curious. What did you guys think of Kaladin in this book? What were his highs? Lows? How did he change? And what did you hope would happen that didn't?

And finally a lit meme...

4 hours ago, Heir of the Void said:

Personally, I hope Nightblood becomes his squire. Because Nightblood with Surgebinding seems like something that could not possibly go wrong.

How exactly would this even work?!? Can an object that was instilled with life from investing bond a spren?

3 hours ago, Heir of the Void said:

3 hours ago, Vortaan said:

Also: Windrunners are the most tactically viable order of KR for their current needs. They need scouts and something to counter the flying Fused, so it makes sense that they are focusing their efforts on finding more Windrunners. 

Totally agree regarding the need for fliers - even if Navani's plans for flying ships pans out, I'm not sure what they could arm them with that would allow them to fight Fused effectively. Archers would have too small an engagement envelope as well as being hard countered by Reverse Lashings, and crossbowmen provide only slight improvement on those fronts in exchange for not having the volume of fire needed to engage a small target maneuvering quickly in three dimensions. Neither seems likely to cause much harm to a Fused holding Voidlight, either. 

I don't think that we should say that only one type is important. I think they are all important. And just because the windrunners are good physically I think we should understand that this is a war on many fronts as well as in many ways. Each order can help in its own way.