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There is an underlying presumption that the marriage ceremony turns out okay. I'm not quite sold on that yet. It might be as simple as Sadeous's wife crashing the party in a breakdown scenario and accusing Adolin of murdering her husband and Dalinar of plotting against her. She was not there when her army and her general were subverted. Distraught, grieving and in denial she could deny it. The marriage might still proceed but it would make for an interesting conflict among the humans. We also have to understand that Kaladin, Shallan and Adolin will likely take a back seat in the next book with Eshonai and parshmen as the focus so that plot line might be too ambitious for everything else he wants to tell. Sanderson is clearly very picky with the content he develops and is not afraid of leaving important and seemingly very important plot lines undeveloped. I fear we will get a bland wedding just like the murder of Sadeous had no effect on book 3. His writing style and focus on different characters is great but comes at the cost of continuity. The things you grow to like and become invested in are sidelined for new concepts plot lines and characters. We know what Brandon asked the nightwatcher for tho, don't we. The ability to create and envision elaborate worlds, characters and plot lines with the curse of not being able to finish them just when they get real good.

I'm not going to bother reading everything here so i'll just drop this: I think she and Kaladin are making the wrong choice. Shallan and Kaladin's relationship has only just begun. Like Dalinar before him, Kaladin capitulated out of friendship and authority at the expense of not only himself but Shallan too. Whatever Adolin has to offer, words of encouragement, stability and intimacy of the flesh won't be what satiates her soul, her yearning and her sense of purpose. Kaladin on the other hand offers her an intimacy of the soul, the deep understanding of being broken and something to work towards, to mend and fix. In my opinion women in this series have been represented in a very unique light, one that has given me a new perspective. Where some of us men might feel an innate desire to protect and provide for and shatter at the sight of a crying woman, some women might have a similar compulsion towards broken men or men who are somehow wrong or rough on the edges, to fix them or make them whole. A purpose whose reward and compulsion could be greater than stability and the safety of comfort. Dalinar, Navani and Evi are all painted in this light. A broken and quite evil of a man backed by women who could have gotten a much more comfortable accommodation, later to be shaped by these same women into something greater. The women in this book are very cultivation like. Adolin is a dun seed, a dun sphere, vanilla ice cream whereas Kaladin is a tempest, a storm with a gravitational pull of his own. It's very difficult to put my thoughts into words. They're not really well fleshed out yet but they do make sense in my head. I've been wrong before, like the murder. The author doesn't seem to always put a cliffhanger in order to follow up but also as a feint. With ASK triangle we've got the only sliver of romance in the series and i doubt the author will allow this tension to dissipate without adding a new romance or a romantic tension/development into the book. Adoshall marriage would be all fluff and if kaladin trully accepted this you'd suddenly lose love in the book and i think that's unlikely. Shallan is still clinging onto the locked up and tormented veden self which is not who she really is. Shallan is the girl that ran off on her own, with no parents and a sack of money across the dangerous world to pursue adventure and discovery, not the homely, courtly gal that'd settle for being comfortable. She's the girl that stares down the tempest and shapes it and not one to dally with dun spheres. Also Kaladin should absolutely not stay alone. He's terrifyingly broken, disillusioned and burdened by what's happening around him and while syl, she's managing to stop him off the figurative cliff, time and time again it is not enough for him. He is stuck. He doesn't just need a woman but a sun that would radiate warmth and hope into his life. I think Shallan with her equally troubled past, a witty tongue and a sense of adventure that would keep his feet moving or his spheres running dry would match him perfectly.

Yeah i just spotted the mistake and fixed it. I can understand where you are coming from. It's possible Adolin gets some other type of spren. One thing that bugs me which i noticed is when kaladin was in "slave form" just before he reached the shattered planes and saw the camps Sly points to the east and says there are a lot of people like Kaladin in that direction (close), not people like the slaves and the slavers but like Kaladin. That to me implies we haven't seen all of the surgebinders from those camps yet and possibility of surgebinders being in some of those secret societies. Adolin's bro was the only surgebinder with a spren we can think of that was there at that time. Shallan wasn't and Dalinar wasn't a bondsmith. That sentance by Sly really perplexes me. As far as the wife goes, i think that she will be much more dangerous than Sadeous. Powerful, smart and vengeful.

Am i the only one thinking that Shallan and Kaladin are story wise a good fit that would add a lot of complexity and a deep as well as frustrating romance part to the overarching story? Everyone is thinking about law and morality when people should be thinking about father - son relationship and the difficulty in the royal court this very opportune murder this will cause for Dalinar. Preaching unity and a higher purpose only to have his feet swept by his son. The murder is BAD for Dalinar regardless of what Sadeous could or would have done. Being almost a King, they could have forced the duel of Sadeus, to the death if needed or used assasins which would be more acceptable in this context. Think about Shallan and Adolin relationship and how this might be the first wedge that would split them apart. It's also a broken oath. If not the 1st than most definitely the 3rd meaning Adolin is unlikely to become a radiant (unless some form of redemption is possible). How this might affect Adolin. Dalinar will find out or at the very least suspect it. Morality while a nice topic to fiddle with is not important. The important thing is how a culture Brandon created would react, how it will influence him - the murderer, the father and his betrothed, the politics and his social standing. I will be extremely dissapointed if the book does not build upon the slight hints of romance between Kaladin and Shallan. It would make the story far more complex and thus far more interesting while also sprinkling a little bit of love to spice things and events up. I firmly believe that not having a romance between these two characters would be a mistake. Temperamental opposites with "warring" spren but similar life experiences. It would be an extroadinary personal dynamic and an extraordinary part of the story by researching honor, deception, faithfulness and loyalty, the breaking of a relationship over guilt and lies by Adolin, inability to trust Shallan and trying to shelter her. Adolin's action was immoral. An assasin would have been better and far more acceptable in my opinion but still not right. Sadeous should have been dealt with by the throne.

I believe that Adolin's actions are going to devour him, sour his relationship with Shallan (possibly too late - could take several books to manifest with small lies and acts of mistrust, ending in a situation similar to Navani and Dalinar) and also become one of Dalinar's deamons and the test of his oaths. Journey before destination. Every character we've seen has been deep and conflicted. During the fight with the white assassin Dalinar had a moment where he realized that even if he wasn't drunk, there was nothing he could have done during the Assassination. With Dalinar being the focus of the next book it leaves him a little bit shallow and not enough mysterious. The author could try some hokus pokus and create something out of thin air but that would be crude. The murder felt out of place and a plot device. We've seen some hints of romance between Kaladin and Shallan. I think these two are likely to end up together in the long term. Similar tortured path, fear of being caged or imprisoned, both bonding spren and having great responsibilites and are likely to be in contact a lot as Shallan focuses on gathering intelligence and scholarship and Kaladin fights. If Shallan and Kaladin don't end up together it will be as tragic as Hermoine and Ron Hooking up in Harry Potter. Out of place. Kaladin is also "Honor" making this relationship much more difficult to pursue and will probably defer the opportunity to his liege which will be a mistake. Anyway, what Adolin did was demonstrably wrong and immoral. No blade, no duel, no court or a decree of any authority gave him the right. It was a brutal, bloody murder. It's a little out of character which makes me even more convinced that this is a plot device that will prominently manifest in the next book and will have a very very large impact on Dalinar's story and probably turn some really bad attention and speculation at Dalinar making his efforts much much more difficult. Adolin as a character stormed up. Brandon gave himself an opportunity to explore a massive theme that could in itself be an epic series. I'm not surprised that Oathbringer will be this long. Dalinar's story and the consequences of the murder could fit 250 000 words easily. I wish the murder scene, the motivation and its context were better explored in the 2nd book because it's extraordinarily crude for the writting i've heard from Sanderson. It's because of that that i am that much more convinced this will be an extraordinarly important theme of the third book.