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So the question is who originally gave the humans the ability to surgebind? Was it ODIUM's investiture or HONOR? I don't think it can be HONOR since he was already on Roshar

So what we do know is that the humans didn't originate on Roshar. Humans are the voidbringers since they brought ODIUM (the one who sucks in emotions or enhances them) to Roshar. What I am unsure about is if HONOR and CULTIVATION were on Roshar prior to humans arriving. If so, I have a few thoughts and a possible theory. I think that it is possible that the heralds (not heralds at the time of leaving) and other humans escaped the tranquill hills (or wherever they are from) to avoid the destruction that they brought upon themselves with ODIUM's influence. I am making the assumption that they didn't think ODIUM would or could follow. The original Parshendi didn't have forms of power at the time the original humans arrived. They had the old rythms but didn't have any surgebinding capabilities at the time. When ODIUM showed up, he managed to start turning the Parshendi on humans and themselves. Since the humans were aware of this, a deal was made with HONOR to help protect all of Roshar to include the Parshendi from ODIUM and these forms of power. This is where the heralds were given the honor blades and dawnshards (possibly) and were charged with protecting all life and to stop ODIUM. This started the Desolations and the spren learned to mimic the forms of power that ODIUM gave to the parshendi and what HONOR gave to the heralds which birthed the knight radiants. The reason I think this is because the humans on their original world were destroyed by surgebinding. If HONOR (who we associate with giving surgebinding abilities) wasn't there and ODIUM was, than how did humans have the ability to surgebind to begin with. And how did the humans end up with HONOR and some of the Parshendi end up with ODIUM? Also to help with this, towards the end of OB, Dalinar states that only 9 of the orders are present. I think there was ten orders present and the tenth one was Venli. A Parshendi who is coming back to HONOR since she now has a spren. What do you guys think?

So while reading OB, there was a scene when one of the sailors had his father locked in a cabin. When asked about this, the sailor stated that if his father was left out, we would go looking for the person that stole his body. Is it possible that Kelsier stole his body? It seemed like such a strange and out of place line within the Roshar system. What do you guys think?

What doesn't add up to me is why would they choose to live in the cognitive realm? Unless they are all that remains of Sel.

After my second reading of Secret History, I have to very different questions. 1. So we know Hoid travelled to the physical realm of Scadrial. What I don't know is how did he get off of the planet? From what I know, both shard pools weren't accessible after he travelled there. Does anyone know? 2. So Kelsier went to visit the people in the IRE in the cognitive realm. Everything described about these people makes it seem that they are from Elantris. The lights and even the descriptions of the people. (They even have light emitting from them). They made a reference to devotion who was on Sel before being splintered. Am I correct on this thought? We know some of them travelled to the cognitive realm via the shard pool, but we just don't know if they died or not when entering the pool. Since Devotion has been splintered, are they trying to get another shard to protect Elantris?

While HOID is of natural birth, it doesn't mean that Adonalsium had no involvement and direction in this. While I am not a religious person, It could follow the precepts of Christianity to a certain degree. i.e. Jesus. (I am taking into account certain accounts from history with the bible and more specifically, the Jefferson Bible) Jesus did god's work and never claimed to be the son of God but was part of him all along type of thing. I don't think my theory is likely but there isn't anything that prohibits it with what we know now.

Wouldn't it seem more probable that the creation of new shard plate would be from a person such as Kaladin taking the next oath which unlocks the ability with his bonded spren?

I have finally read through the entirety of the COSMERE and like most other people, I am stuck on HOID. We know that Adonalsium was the original holder/vessel for the 16 shards. How the individuals splintered Adonalsium seems to be a huge mystery. Is it even possible that HOID was somehow created by Adonalsium or his vessel (which his memory is gone for some reason) in some form or fashion to look out for humanity and try to bring balance to the shards when the were taken up? The reason behind this thought is because HOID never wants to hurt anyone and he loves a great story and asks the deepest of questions. He his collecting investiture for what reason? Doing that just to take on Odium makes no sense. One would assume that the other shards could take him on as a team if need be but for one reason or another, the other shards don't or aren't inclined to. And what is the purpose of the world hoppers? They are tracking down information and HOID for some reason but that is all I know. We know HOID is important. So my guess to the reasoning is above. Please let me know what you think.