Trellium

@Lunamor Read this after seeing the post on reddit. Awesome job, this is great!

8 hours ago, Pathfinder said:

I have a theory that depending on the level of oaths sworn associated with a radiant spren, if it is then used in a fabrial, would determine the strength of that fabrial. So the soulcasters can that only do one or two essences, would be a lower oathed knight's spren. I have no concrete evidence to back it up, but here is to hoping I am right!

Interesting theory. It feels off to me because the oath progression level should only increase the bond and connection between the spren and radiant, and no radiant is required to use a fabrial. As the spren of the fabrial is not a dead shardblade, but a functional cognitive entity (shallan speaks to the oathgate spren for example), I would think it was probably not bonded to a radiant at the time it is integrated into the fabrial construct anyway. 

10 hours ago, RShara said:

We don't actually know that, but it's likely. We've seen Progression ones and Transformation ones, so far.

We have seen at least 1 (and maybe 2*) more surge(s) performed by a fabrial already. The Oathgates are ancient Transportation fabrials.

Soulcasters are ancient Transformation fabrials. Assuming they function analogously to ancient Transportation fabrials, they have an associated spren capable of manipulating the transformation surge. Cryptics and Inkspren should both be capable of manipulating all 10 essences and are good candidates for being part of making a full powered soulcaster. Maybe there are other varieties of spren that are not capable of persuading the souls of some objects properly, and so their fabrials can only perform certain transformations. If so, I suspect they would be true sapient spren varieties, but would not be other radiant spren, since those would perform their own respective surges. 

*I think the half-shards are a modern attempt at this using stoneward spren.

14 minutes ago, HSuperLee said:

I think you're overestimating the benevolence of Autonomy.

I'd love to live in a world of 5 dollar bills and boomboxes, what else could you ask of a benevolent diety?

Autonomy or Endowment. Anyone else is a threat to free will. 

I am a post.

I think agent of Harmony is an overstatement.  Harmony's particular beliefs that tend to make it difficult for him to act give the vessel enough cover to get away with letting his old friends act however they want. Like when Marsh says he is encouraging Wax because he is doing Kelsier's work, and Sazed's beliefs don't allow him to restrict Marsh even though he disagrees with giving out Spook's hemalurgy journal. 

I mostly agree with @Calderis, but Kandra aren't quiiite so limited in their ability to spy unobtrusively. For example.... "can you be a bunny?"

Listen to Miles Hundredlives internal monologues and rants. Think back to each instance of "someone moves us lawman". Reread to Paalm's final moments.

Knowing we have WOB confirmation that:

1.Trell is a shard we know

2. Autonomy often imitates other gods, and we should not get hung up on gender or appearance.

3. Oathbringer Epigraph Spoiler

We also know Khriss finds Bavadin's interference with other worlds hypocritical. 

As for the other contending shards:

Devotion: Splintered / Dor

Dominion: Splintered / Dor

Preservation: Harmony

Ruin: Harmony

Odium: Whatever Trell is doing he is not behaving like Rayse at all. He is making people scream about freedom from harmony's manipulations, and not offering to take anyone's pain. 

Honor: Splintered 

Cultivation: Totally pro-manipulating things. 

Endowment:

It is admittedly all circumstantial. But if you quickly take in all the source material I reference, it becomes pretty compelling that it would be Autonomy. If not, the rantings of Bloody Tan, Paalm, and Miles are almost problematic in how thematically consistent they are driving home this same argument. HARMONY INTERFERES TOO MUCH AND STOLE FREE WILL. 

And last:

Motive: Harmony is robbing scadriand of autonomy.

Means: Autonomy is known to create autonomous invested "avatars" and coopt existing theology.

Opportunity: Autonomy is mobile, active in the cosmere, known to us, and not splintered at the time of Mistborn Era 2, unlike most others.

Case closed.

- Bavadinium 

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The worlds you now tread bear the touch and design of Adonalsium. Our interference so far has brought nothing but pain. My path has been chosen very deliberately. Yes, I agree with everything you have said about Rayse, including the severe danger he presents. However, it seems to me that all things have been set up for a purpose, and if we—as infants—stumble through the workshop, we risk exacerbating, not preventing, a problem. 

That is from Frost's letter to Hoid. Both are older than the Shardholders and yet see themselves as children in comparison to Adonalsium. 

Umm actually Hoid was the next informant on Vin's list from Cett, after Slowswift. Kelsier reached her from the Cognitive Realm and convinced her not to meet with him.

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Dilaf, before revealing his true status as a Gragdet, swore an oath to serve as a krondet under Hrathen as his hroden. 

Um, actually, it's Nightmaw, not Duskmaw.

When Odium splintered Dominion amd Devotion he stuffed the splinters of their power into the Spiritual Realm to prevent them from being easily reassembled. This has made travel on and off of Sel via perpendicularity quite dangerous... 

On 6/21/2018 at 11:16 AM, ccstat said:

Another sharder (Kearin on discord, not sure what their handle is here) recently pointed me to Life Ore Death by Obloquy, and I'm enjoying it a lot. It takes a full feruchemist from shortly after the Catacendre and dimension-hops her into the DC universe. 

The interactions between the Metallic Arts and DC powers are interesting and well thought out, and the main character's backstory is not only awesome but also fits well enough into the gaps of Era 1 events that I am adopting it as headcanon.

Just finished reading this actually. It's pretty good, lot's of detailed feruchemy mechanics discussion. But it may literally be longer than Oathbringer.

2 hours ago, Bigmikey357 said:

First, the Fused are only imparted with one Surge instead of 2. That means every KR is a Compounder once they master both of their surges. 

Not to be too picky with terminology but that is not Compounding, which refers to the hack of fueling your feruchemical power using your allomantic ability by burning your own stores as a new metal and allowing Preservation / Harmony to fuel the feruchemical effect in an end-positive manner.  

You probably mean to suggest that Knights Radiant enjoy Resonances as a result of their use of two surges. For example, the Windrunners have additional / stronger squires, beyond simply having access to both Gravitation and Adhesion Surges. 

Also, a Full, 5 Oath Knight Radiant has mastery of two surges, a resonance, a living / shifting shardblade, shardplate and possibly squires. That seems pretty fair against an enemy with unlimited use of a single surge.

The real question to me is exactly how effective is voidlight healing, and how much healing is doable for a given fused using the current power system?

1 hour ago, Journey Before Pancakes said:

That's the opposite, where the Radiant dies and the spren lives.  When oaths are broken though, the spren dies.

I was just making sure it was clear that it was not the case that:

11 hours ago, MountainKing said:

When a Radiant dies he takes a piece of the spren's spirit web with them to the Beyond

From Edgedancer, Wyndle to Lift:

“Mistress, please don’t get yourself killed. It would be traumatic. Why, I think it would take me months and months to get over it!”

Maya is a Cultivationspren, like Wyndle. This means that her dead radiant was an Edgedancer. For Adolin to revive her, and take the place of the dead radiant, he would need to swear and live up to the ideals of the Elsecallers. Those ideals are "I will remember those who have been forgotten" and "I will listen to those who have been ignored". Adolin can be seen beginning to fulfill this role throughout the books. For example, when he helps the prostitute in Sadeas' War Camp in front of Kaladin and when he visits Dalinar's Rhyshadium after his dies and Dalinar isn't around. 

14 hours ago, Odin1981 said:

I wonder if one of the 9 "shadows" bad things could potentially be a dustbringer maybe?

These shadows were a reference to the Unmade.

Jasnah had clearly already at least read Navanis records of Dalinar's latest info:

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“The Stormfather laid it out,” Jasnah said, unperturbed. “The Heralds made a pact. When they died, their souls traveled to Damnation and trapped the spirits of the Voidbringers, preventing them from returning.”

Dalinar shares some of the obvious objections right after Jasnah proposed the murder spree.

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Jasnah,” Dalinar said. “Even if the pact of the Heralds still holds, we can’t know that they’d stay in Damnation—or the mechanics for locking away the Voidbringers there.

So she knew they broke from torture, but does not immediately blindly accept that this precludes even 1 of the ten from being convinced to try to buy humanity more time. 

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“The Stormfather said their pact was weakened, but did not say it was destroyed,” Jasnah said. “I suggest that we at least see if one of them is willing to return to Damnation. Perhaps they can still prevent the spirits of the enemy from being reborn.

Jasnah was completely in character as far as I'm concerned. She was attempting to logically address the problem, regardless of any sentiment. She also seems to accept Dalinar's logically valid rebuttal about the unknown Mechanics and the likelihood of them just instantly breaking. She just doesnt accept Kaladin's feelings as a meaningful contribution to the group's strategic analyses. If it weren't for the fact that the Everstorm was in play and needs to be dealt with before the Fused can be resealed on Braize, she would probably eventually come to the conclusion that studying the heralds would let her manipulate at least one into staying put on Briaze. Ash, now that her father is dead and Taln is free, would be a good candidate. Promise to take care of Taln if she stays on Braize, and continue his torture here on Earth if she doesn't. Dark, isn't it. 

On 6/9/2018 at 9:30 AM, Toaster Retribution said:

I thought of the chain-hook thingy Wax uses in SoS, but that wouldn’t work for a variety of reasons. I like the thought of it being a BioChromatic creation, but I do think that Azure would be looking out for it in that case, and she didn’t appear to be.

If its correct that she pawned it during her initial commute from Nalthis in the CR, it was likely less important to her than catching Nightblood and Vasher, even if it is super valuable. I do agree that this implies she didn't sell it in Celebrant. She also may know she sold it for a very high price willingly, and can't currently come close to buying it back at present. 

14 hours ago, hoiditthroughthegrapevine said:

 For realsies, I think this is might be a chain made of aluminium that will have the effect when worn of negating radiant powers (kind of like an a'dam prevents an Aes Sedai from channeling).

Because of soulcasting and the known cost of Shallans Necklace being far less in the PR, this seems unlikely. Also, aluminum caps should prevent allomancers from using their metals on scadrial in that case, and clearly they dont. They just interfere with investiture directed at the wearer. 

1 hour ago, Herdazian said:

My thinking about this chain is that somehow this is a mixture of several different forms of investment including breaths and stormlight that may be paradoxical enough to have the power to bind and hold anything and everything. As such it could be a dawnshard or it could just be a general investment inhibitor. 

I agree that a dramatically expensive and most likely invested chain sold in a weapons shop prompting that large a rafo may be a Dawnshard, capable of binding anything.

My theory is that Dawnshards are just larger and made up of more of this mystery metal (either Dragonsteel or Adonalsium's God Metal, or they are the same thing and it doesnt matter) and therefore can be used on a planet destroying scale. This may be a smaller item of the same metal, but still super expensive because of what it is made of. 

The Atium the Kandra kept in the trustwarren represented the bulk of what the pits produced over Rashek's reign. However, this itself only represented the small portion of Ruin's power that left him relatively balanced with Preservation, who had given an extra bit of himself to the Scadrian people at their creation. Also, Demoux's entire crew of mistfallen consumed as much as they could, and Elend took the biggest chunk. Also, KanPar, and then Marsh, stole a large enough quantity of the atium to allow Marsh to utilize Rashek's immortality trick and survive through the centuries.

There wasn't enough Atium to allow someone to ascend while Ati still held the bulk of his power, trapped at the Well of Ascension. And even if it had been enough, some was stolen, and the rest was split many ways. 

1 hour ago, Steeldancer said:

I worry sometimes that all these side projects will push the end of the cosmere off farther and farther. 

Journey before destination, Radiant.

It seems like Fabrials have the ability to allow the investiture required for the functionality to flow out as it is needed. For example, a Veden Half-Shard can block a Shardblade, presumably because the material it is made out of is strengthened or transformed in some way by the investiture contained in the gemstones. This investiture is obviously drawn out of the stones and into the Shield upon impact, which drains, stresses, and breaks the stones. Similarly, a Soulcaster Fabrial uses just the required amount of investiture when called upon by the Intent of its user to achieve the required Transformation. As this power is called forth, large gemstones also drain, stress, and break. So I guess my design wouldn't work unless the item to be awakened somehow required few enough breaths that the gemstones could hold more than enough Stormlight to awaken it initially and provide a continuing draw for as long as the object was awakened to compensate for the lack of stickyness of Stormlight. Given the rate of leakage from organic beings, and the high cost of most awakening, this seems very unlikely. 

The Stormlight won't be trapped in the gem. The gem will act within the context of the Fabrial design as a battery releasing the Stormlight as needed to keep the awakened object "charged" with sufficient investiture.This won't work because investiture requirements are impracticably large both in raw storage and rate of consumption.

But perhaps these restrictions can be worked around in the case of a large stationary Type IV Sentient Awakened object. It would simply need an enormous block of gemstones exposed to each passing Highstorm. These gemstones would act as a conduit to provide the initial chunk of power needed to awaken the object in the first place during a storm, and would then slowly provide a source of additional power to keep the object replenished from Stormlight leakage between storms. 

Interesting point about getting the investiture to interface with the object's soul. That's the part where I think he would need the knowledge of a Rosharan Artifabrian. We don't know enough about how Fabrials are constructed, but they do channel the effects of the spren / investiture they contain into physical objects they are built onto. For example, Veden Half Shards. Another interesting analogue is the Soulcaster Fabrial. These utilize infused gemstones and fabrial construction to allow any user to interface with the souls of objects around them. So in a way, Rosharan scholars are already working on this whole other set of issues. Vasher and Navani should collaborate. It can't go as poorly as his last collaboration.