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Anyone think Iyatil might have used a speed bubble?

These two experiences are similar but I think with a pewter drag the allomancers body is catching up with the strain put on it when pewter was pushing it passed what a body can normally do. With stormlight I think its more your soul has been stretched (cause Kaladin body is fine).  

1 minute ago, Skip Hates Dragons said:

Well part of it might be the fact that the books are "translated" and it may have done that to expressions. Those expressions also being an easy way to hint at being a worldhopper, I'm not that suprised they showed up in stormlight and not in warbreaker 

I still think these types of clues are better when they are set up early. If someone has read Mistborn(either era), Elantris or Stormlight there are tons of super memorable expressions that can be dropped and instantly make worldhoppers stand out to more hardcore Cosmere fans, I think Brandon for what ever reason did not get those expressions across in Warbreaker. 

Chapter 79.

Warbreaker Spoilers

Everything you brought up makes sense. The timeline for making medallions, a body and getting south always seemed pretty quick to me. This all had to be done while everyone was rebuilding civilization too. The biggest question to me is where did Kelsier and Spook get access to F-Aluminum and F-Nicrosil?

To me there are a few options:

1.  Ruin game Marsh or one of the dead inquisitors those abilities for unknown reasons. 
2. A Feruchemists survived, maybe someone who was a child during the last days of TFE.
3. Ferrings(of the right kind) or a Full Feruchemists are born.
4. 1st generation Kandras somehow (and idea I have not heard before).
5. Harmony helps out (unlikely).
6. Hemalurgy shanahanigans.

Personally I think it was option 6. Its a shot in the dark but I bet burning inquisitor spikes is somehow involved. I also think its possible Marsh helped, and that when you have that many spikes, the powers become more then the some of their parts. 

We also have to wonder where they even got the Nicrosil that fast. Maybe Sazed left some Chromium deposits easy to get?

28 minutes ago, Storms! said:

Inquisitors have it in the eye but BoM spoiler:

  Reveal hidden contents

Wax's uncle had it in the chest

 

Yea my interpretation of binding point placement is they are not necessary but make things work better. Like if you have the spikes in the wrong place the Spirit Web is more likely to get warped in bad ways. Like if your getting one power spike, it probably does not matter where it is, but if your making something like an inquisitor that its important you put the spikes in the right places. The right places probably also give more benefits, like allomantic vision for inquisitors. It also seems that spikes change things in different ways then just what the attribute gives, look at koloss, they are not just a 5X strong person. I bet if you put those same spikes in different places you get something different then a koloss. But we don't know enough about Hemalurgy yet to know for sure. 

Oathbringer spoilers:

It is possible, but its also so hard to know whats true and whats not in those broadsheets, could be foreshadowing could be a red herring. Many people theories Harmony's perpendicularity (aka shardpool), being in the southern hemisphere, since thats where Ettmetal comes from. But Harmony might have two perpendicularities or Ettmetal is not generated in just one place. At this point its hard to know for sure. 

Also, that pool might be Trells mini perpendicularity somehow? 

The way I understand it is allomancy puts a force between the person and the object. The lighter thing moves either way but Vin can put more force out. But often times Vin pushes both the object and stuff in the opposite direction to use as an anchor, to compensate for being lighter so she is not what goes flying. 

Speaking of Abrasion, does anyone else think it can be used to increase friction as well, or is that to similar to Adhesion? Not sure off the top off my head how increasing friction would be useful, except to stop fast when sliding or to walk on ice, but Brandon probably has ideas if its possible. 

2 hours ago, AC12 said:

Not to dig up an old topic, but I just barely found this thread, and as a Mormon, let me just say I really appreciate the respectful and well educated discussion of our beliefs. The 17th Shard has officially renewed my faith in the internet! Also @ryshadium90, I have also noticed the similarity between chiasmus and keteks, which I have found very interesting. I have done a bit of research on chiasmus in the past because it has interested me and it is an Ancient Hebrew literally device that can be found in the Book of Mormon as well as several places in the Old Testament. A really good example can be found in Genesis 7:21-23 for anyone who is interested.

Yea I was a little worried when I posted that something I said or a reply would be offensive, on accident or on purpose, but 17shard is a pretty great forum. 

And I had not heard of chiasmus, the idea does seem similar to Keteks.

The theory I really like is the Sibling Urithirus spren. The way the ancient radiants talk about the Sibling it seems very connected to the city and the city seemed to much more alive. If this theory is correct then Navani might be a prime candidate to bond the Sibling. Investiture wise I feel like the Sibling is probably a mix of Honor and Cultivation. 

I wonder if the oaths prevent a WMD type situation that happened on humans previous home world (I think the main theory that its Ashyn not Braize). Although one example of extreme destruction on Roshar that might have been caused by surgebinders is the shattered plains. Not quite world ending but it seems like what ever created the shattered plains pretty much destroyed what was Natanatan. If I had guess the shattered planes where causes by Division/Abrasion or Gravitation/Division but who knows, since we have barely seen division on page. 

Spoilers Bands of Mourning:

https://coppermind.net/wiki/Shardblade

1) On the main shard blade page it says that the "Wider than average - cleaver-like" shardblade that Dalinar had and gave up in WoR was "Talenel - Unbound" as the "Previous Holder", isn't that very misleading? That blade was never owned or held by Talenel, but people pretended it was.

2) For Talenels Honorblade it says it was stolen by Taravangian, is their citation for that? 

Thanks. 

I assume different types of surgebinding is "louder" then others. Lightweaving seems like it would need to be harder to detect to be affective. I'm sure if Shallan created illusions right near the screamer spren they could notice. 

Kinda like in Mistborn

I think part of the insanity of the heralds is because they cannot sleep. From near the end of Oathbringer. 

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“The ripping sensation finally ended. So abruptly that—for the first time in thousands of years—Ash fell unconscious.”

Keep reading, not much else to say.

3 minutes ago, BeskarKomrk said:

Unfortunate typo here...

But I agree that Ishar likely never bonded any spren.

No Mating!

I don't actually think Taravangian is actually working for Odium, I think he is a double agent. Odium somehow can't see the entire Diagram.

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There. Behind where the bed had stood. A section of words that had faded from golden to black. What was that? As he drew near, Taravangian saw that the words were blacked out into eternity starting from this point on his wall. As if something had happened here. A ripple in what Odium could see …
At its root, a name. Renarin Kholin.”

 

The diagram has something up its sleeve related to Renarin Kholin.

I don't think Ishar is actually a Bondsmith, just similar. Bondsmiths have unique powers shared with all the Herlads according to in universe WoR quotes. I don't think we have any evidence that Ishar bonded one of the God Spren but its possible I guess. 

I feel like a Mistborn has two strategies, outlast (stormlight gets used way faster then metals) or leech with Chromium. If either way I bet they would use steel/iron with bendalloy to jump around till they can get close. 

Interesting theory, but then why was Odium willing to make the deal to spare Kharbranth for Taravangian? Is Odium lying or does it not need to be all humans?

The 'push' of Abrasion might be increasing friction?

It is also possible we will get Venli flash backs and Brandon said Eshonai to hide the spoilers.