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On 12/19/2017 at 8:27 PM, Thanatos said:

So what does everyone think Honor means by this repeating statement.

1. Unite the humans to fight Odium?

2. Unite the spren and humans together again?

3. Unite the pieces of Honor together?

4. Other... please explain.

Are we sure that it's Honor talking? I don't remember Dalinar matching that voice to Tanavast's voice anywhere. 

8 hours ago, Ookla the Altruist said:

I think this idea might be relevant:

It's possible that the Stormfather is a spren of Adonalsium, who is also merged with the Cognitive Shadow of Tanavast, which would explain his "honor" based side. But could also give Dalinar a direct connection to Adonalsium, not just Honor.

I mean, the Stormfather did describe Honor as "infusing" him, not creating him. We know spren were there before the shards, so yeah, OB does confirm that. 

1 hour ago, Ryder said:

I think it's possible Odium is referring to Adonalsium here, but I think it's more likely Honor.  The Fused Rine also uses "we" when talking about the "enemy", presumably Honor.

If this interpretation is correct then Rine includes himself in the group that killed Honor, so perhaps the Fused and/or ancient listeners worked with Odium somehow when Honor was killed.

That still doesn't explain why Odium cowered. He killed Tanavast at the height of his powers. Surely, killing Dalinar 30 seconds after he'd taken up Honor wouldn't be a challenge. Look at Ati vs. Vin.

Next RAFO question: "Is Adonalsium alive?"

I'm personally of the opinion that Taravangian got the curse and blessing backwards.

As someone who suffers from it, Taravangian has the symptoms of mania/bipolar. The feeling of extraordinary intelligence and the need to get it out RIGHT NOW are exactly what I experience when I have an attack. In one bad case, I even wrote my ideas out on the wall the same way he did. However, quite often my "great thoughts" during my attacks are dead wrong. When other people look at them, or when I look at them later, they usually contain a number of fatal flaws that I missed because I was going too fast.

The lack of compassion is another symptom of mania that he matches exactly. I've had times when I had no compassion left in me, only the drive from the mania. I've wanted to hit people I love, and I was just barely able to stop myself. Furthermore, I know people with worse cases than mine that have beaten people in their worst cases. Basically, I've had to have treatment to really understand that compassion and intelligence are not inverse to each other.

PS: Don't worry, I'm well treated for my disorder nowadays, and that sort of stuff doesn't happen to me anymore.

14 minutes ago, Faceless Mist-Wraith said:

Ewan McGregor

Moulin Rouge!

Here's one suggested by my husband:

Is Adonalsium's power original to him/it, or did it come from somewhere else? That is, was Adonalsium granted power, or did he take it from someone/thing, or was it innate in Adonalsium?

3 minutes ago, Mirdrim said:

Agreed, and I think it's more likely some indirect manipulation, rather than a different shard working 'on behalf of' Odium.  Ultimately, by this point, I think most of the shards that aren't newly held are well aware of Odium's intent, which would lead them to b less than keen on working with him.  I don't think it's inconceivable that Odium could act in such a way as to concern other shards that Harmony is a potential threat, or that he had managed to convince a newly held dual-shard into working with him, causing another well-meaning shard to try to disrupt Harmony's work.

The second half of that is maybe a little flimsy, as Trell's actions definitely seem malicious, but of course we are watching from in-world and have a limited scope of the situation.

There's also the language of the followers of Trell. They're mostly complaining about how Harmony is "weak", and that they need "strength" in their god. They're using the language of hatred and aggression, which strongly suggests Odium himself.

15 minutes ago, Mirdrim said:

As far as the Trell being Odium theory, I can see that, but I personally subscribe to the idea that Trell is a different shard either acting on behalf of Odium, or being manipulated by Odium.

There was a longer thread with a bunch of people discussing it, and, though I don't think either option has been satisfyingly and conclusively proven, I do think that the fact that there are 16 shards leads me to believe that we will see another shard rather than Odium himself, though I do think Odium will be in some way involved, at minimum exploiting the conflict between Trell and Harmony.

Interesting possibility, but if Rayse really was as, well, odious as Hoid said in The Letter, then I doubt that anyone who knew him will work with him willingly again.

Then again, it could be unknowing manipulation...

Just now, Talanelat'Elin Stonesinew said:

Yeah, I think that too. I would really like for Brandon to introduce Odium in the other books besides The Stormlight Archive.

Since he's said that he's going through book 5 of Stormlight to begin, my guess is that Odium will escape Roshar there. Wax and Wayne is set after Stormlight 5 but before Stormlight 6, so between that and the red eyes, I'm pretty confident.

22 minutes ago, Talanelat'Elin Stonesinew said:

Yeah, with the Roshar magic system you feel like there's always something to discover, well, at least they are adding that to the metallic arts in Wax and Wayne with Trell.

For a first touch of wild speculation, Trell is Odium, or I'll eat Wayne's hat.

3 minutes ago, Mirdrim said:

Hello, welcome to the Shard.  What has your favorite Sanderson novel been so far?

 

Asking that question makes me realize that I would probably list off over half of his books if I was asked the same.   Good luck answering.

Oh my... I'd have to split my answer two ways: Words of Radiance for the story/mythology, and Alloy of Law for the characters. Roshar's my favorite world and its magic system is strongest, but I could listen to Wayne gab for hours at a time.

EDIT: by "Roshar's magic system is strongest", I mean that it's the one that fits best in its story.

I like it! Good thought.

Nom, nom, no.... GAAAAHHHH!!! ::chokes and has spikes driven through eyes::

Hello! I'm new here. My husband got me into Sanderson's books after I'd gotten him into the Wheel of Time, and I just finished reading the last of the published Cosmere (Warbreaker, after a sidetrack for Arcanum Unbounded). Now that there's no published stuff that can spoil me, I figured I'd go nuts with wild theorizing. So, here I am!