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2 minutes ago, KnightofLight said:

Even tho I really like Adolin and I love when he killed Sadeas but his way of murdering him was a 180 degree turn of what Dalinar would of done. The action was justified but it was a really dark moment in my mind. So I'm leaning toward him

Makes sense. Adolin is "interesting".

15 minutes ago, KnightofLight said:

I see your point. I know that cryptics and honor Spren apparently don't like each other but I was just surprised by her wording and even more so when I found out it was renarin doing the count down. Either way I'm pretty confident in saying that one of Dalinars sons will end up a villain. 

Which son, though? I can make a case for either of them. Adolin is idolizing his father (in my opinion), and his faith might break, and turn him against Dalinar. Renarin is kind of shady in that we don't seem to know much about him besides the fact that he can see the future, has a shardblade, and wants to be useful.

4 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said:

Tanavast was Honor. Up til he got splintered and his cognitive shadow merged with the Stormfather. Otherwise, your idea doesn't have any fundamental holes in it that I can see.

Who the crazy king, then? Taravangian. Sorry, I can never remember his name.

On 4/18/2017 at 0:05 PM, Beatsmorn said:

"Dalinar's and Renarin's visions are incredibly similar actually. Both are involuntary and unable to be resisted. Both involve visions. Both have an element of compulsive actions, as Dalinar moves and speaks in other languages and Renarin has an almost hypergraphic need to write during his visions, despite that Renarin probably hasn't ever written before this. They also appear to both be tied to highstorms, since they happen at the same time.

Perhaps most telling is the fact that Dalinar seems to think that Renarin's future-sight is his own up until the reveal, and that he simply can't remember it happening. 

That said, there are differences. Dalinar sees the past, Renarin sees the future. Dalinar is completely unaware of the real world while in the midst of his visions. Renarin seems to know and be aware of what's happening to him, even though he can no longer control his body. Dalinar seems to act out what he's experiencing, Renarin writes."

I think this is just amazing comparison that FeatherWriter made, but that's more behind this. On Surgebinding graphs we see both Bondsmith and Truthwatchers opposed to them, dividing graph on two parts, upper one, representing Orders which spren/bonds are of honor primarily, which Heralds are male, and lower one, which spren/bond are primarily of cultivation, and which Heralds are women. This would make the Bondsmith as connected mainly with Honor, and Truthwatchers as connected with Cultivation. Cultivation sees future, Honor sees past. This just melds so amazing with Shards' Intent (Honor - preserving tradition, ideals, oaths, Cultivation - maintaining progress, life, beauty). We don't know Oaths of Truthwatchers, but Oaths of Bondsmiths are totally in line of it (Honor binds, Bondsmith binds and unite people). Tanavast also states that Cultivation is good in seeing the future.

Looking for holes, Windrunners bind with honorspren and Edgedancers bind with cultivationspren, and spren of Bondsmith is quite unique (Stormfather was of Honor, but Nightwatcher is probably of Cultivation, if not Cultivation herself), so one may say that if it was the case, they should have visions instead. However i think connection to Shard is based more about the Oaths and Ideals that order represents, than type of spren they are bound to. So, Bondmiths, Windrunners and Stonewards would be of Honor, Truthwatchers, Edgedancers and Lightweavers of Cultivation, and rest would be their combinations. IMO this fits perfectly.

It can be that this is just a misinterpretation, and Dalinar and Gavilar visions were one-time event, sent by Honor to prepare humanity for Desolation, but i think that indead there are pretty solid similarities between them and Truthwatching.

What I've always thought is that the Bondsmiths (all three of them) bond with the "spren" of each Shard. This might not make sense until you realize that there are 3 Bondsmiths total, 3 Shards on Roshar. Also, if Bondsmiths are supposed to unite people, why would there be 3 different Bondsmiths? Shouldn't there just be 1? This makes me wonder if Dalinar has bonded with Honor (Stormfather), maybe Tanavast with Cultivation (Nightwatcher), and an important bad guy (idk who though, maybe Eshonai or the scholar lady?) with Odium (Some unknown great spren).

I have been looking on the coppermind recently, and I noticed that two of the leaders we know of the Ghostbloods are WorldHoppers, so I was wondering if the Ghostbloods, or at least some of the leaders, could be part of the 17th Shard?