animalia

It’s already been stated that Sja-Anat is named after the Ancient Semitic Goddess Anat. But I am wondering if there might possibly be any other mythology connections we might have missed? And if so if they can help us help predict where her story may go. Any help figuring it out would be appreciated.

17 minutes ago, Frustration said:

Gyls is though.

Who is Gyls?

29 minutes ago, Frustration said:

No, they really would not.

On a state side each city was it's own country, so there wasn't a state/federal split we see today.

And on the individual side: Sparta was a totalitarian state, Athens allowed you to be tried and executed for speaking, also you could be voted into exile for ten years, etc.

All I meant was to draw a comparison with the whole "Struggle to unite against a larger threatening faction" thing. I thought that was clear. I apologize if it was not.

Interesting idea. I wonder what will happen if Renarin can balance his surges and his Voids?

note: I am assuming they should be balanced.

1 hour ago, Nameless said:

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but none of those countries are anarchies. In order for a military to function, there has to be a clear chain of command. In the end, someone or someones have to make a plan, and they have to be able to get the soldiers to carry out that plan. So you need some people to be in charge of the army. And you need people to ensure the army gets supplied with food, weapons, wages etc. And to make sure the people in charge of that stuff are good at their jobs, you need some way to decide who gets those jobs. All of which is starting to sound like a government, yeah?

It is true that you don't need money, but you do need to compensate your soldiers and workers somehow in order to have a stable military. Maybe in the case of a group of Singers who broke off you might not need to worry about that immediately, since the alternative to fighting the Fused is dying or being enslaved, but in the long run that doesn't work. If they just have to fight/work without any compensation, they'll eventually start to wonder if their lives weren't better under the Fused, or if the humans would take them in.

My main point is that the reason we have governments is that governments beat anarchies. Pure anarchy won't work large-scale, because other countries that aren't anarchies will invade. If an anarchy gets an army to protect themselves, that army must be organized in order to be effective.

Isn’t that kinda the Paradox the Greeks found themselves in when they faced the Persians? Not saying that the Greeks werre anarchists in the modern sense of the word. But they WERE fiercely independent to a degree that would put even the most modern day states rights or individual rights advocates to shame. 
 

The fact that managed to come together in the face of Persia is… well History speaks for itself. 

9 hours ago, Proletariat said:

Perhaps if you're of a mind to encourage inquiry it could be worth applying that devil advocacy and exploration to your own assumptions and research some of the things I pointed out too. Sharing is caring after all! 

Actually I DO question my own assumptions. ALOT. To the point where I sometimes start going in circles and have tor reign myself in. I LIKE Questioning my own assumptions. My doing the same with others is basically a natural outgrowth of said tendency.

On 8/19/2021 at 2:31 AM, Proletariat said:

One of the fundamental principles of socialist thought is that people are generally cooperative and do not have a vested interest in cruelty toward one another when separated from hierarchical systems like capitalism (including state capitalism as implemented by Stalin). The idea is then to have a socially transformative that is ongoing in the dismantlement of that system, and that means the oppressed classes (workers, peasants, those completely excluded from the economy) overthrowing the ruling class as part of it.

I wasn't disagreeing that you could probably vastly reduce the amount of cruelty. Just that it seems unlikely that you could get rid of it all together.

Edit:

P.S.: Side note: I don't know if I subscribe to any ideology whatso ever. The closest thing I can think of is that I like to ask questions and go "What if?" Even if it's against the grain of the current discussion somewhat. HMM Maybe I have a mild Contrarian bent. But i like do do so more for the sake of promoting well thought out discussion rather then being contrarian in it's own sake.

P.P.S: Do you want me to see if I can come up with any of more of these potentially thought provoking questions?

11 hours ago, clowncarcrash said:

I think you’re asking about what justice would look like in anarchy. From what I gather looking at a preliminary google search, anarchy really emphasizes restorative justice. If there is antisocial behavior they look towards the system. 

I don’t think anarchy means no rules, its just means De-professionalized and de-centralized use of force and de-professionalized and de-centralized decision-making,

Actually it was in response to a post made earlier in the thread. give me a bit. I will try to find it.

On the idea of Africa, what about an Empire with Islamic influences? Many Islamic dynasties spanned across North Africa.

Ok. New question/thing to point out. I am not sure if it’s overly relevant. But I do think the implications, if VERY minor are still worth pointing out. Humans fighting with each other dates back to prehistoric times. I am not saying that the idea that inequality exacerbates these fights is wrong. Or that you are misguided in trying to solve this problem. On the contrary. I think that this is something worth working for and if you can solve it it’s a good thing.
I am just saying that the idea of thinking  that getting rid of inequality in and of itself will get rid of fighting seems to be naive

And yet as I say this I cannot also help but laugh inwardly at myself as I acknowledge that there was a time where Democracy on a large scale was considered infeasible, and yet time and history has gone on to prove that wrong, so who knows. Perhaps you guys are on to the way of the future?

There goes my theory 

I think that the capture of Ba-Ado-Misham caused the weeping. I will get into the details on this idea in a bit. But for now I just wanted to share it.

edit: I was thinking that the reason behind both the capture and the Recreance might have to do with the whole Warlight reveal in ROW. That together Honor and Odium make War. Maybe that was what was happening to BOTH Ba-Ado-Mishram AND Honor. And maybe realizing this. Will lead to the death of the stormfather and a large scale weeping.

P.S. Let me know if I need to clarify anything.

I was thinking that Dominion and Devotion would make Family

I just finished reading through this thread and I have a question about something that confused me. What does religion, or the lack thereof, have to do with anarchy?

Does anyone know where I can find someone liveblogging the entire Cosmere?

Has anyone mentioned Struggle?

Lopen

scratch this. can someone else take over?

Give me a bit. I need time to come up with clues.

edit: I am giving the whole "clues by song titles" thing try. But I worry I do not know enough songs.

Kenton?

Mennis?

Longshot but Rock?

12 minutes ago, ElMonoEstupendo said:

Eventeo.

yup the whole thing was

1: There once was a dotting pappa.

2: Who tried to do the things he outta

3: he had no head for trading

4: Came from a land where traditions were dating

5: His daughter went over the watta

No to both. Want the next clue?

I have the clues for this character in the form of a limerick.

1: There once was a dotting papa.