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6 minutes ago, Calderis said:

And the Spren could still have rejected him. 

He did say to the spren that he knew that he was not the one that the Cryptic wanted but considering the situation, it was not the time for the Cryptic to be picky.  He couldn't even physically see the spren until it came out into view, so it accepted Hoid to a certain degree.

4 minutes ago, TequilaJack said:

Thanks. This makes sense. Is there any reference to this in any of the books? I need to read those again. 

Nothing super obvious in the other books himself (I have not read most of the novellas or Mistborn Era 2 so I can't speak for those), mostly in Stormlight do we see him perform multiple magic systems such as emotional Allomancy, Awakening, mentioning of at least his Third Heightening due to his perfect pitch.  

2 minutes ago, TequilaJack said:

And, why would Hoid want to seek and bond a spren in first place, when he can already lightweave without it? I don't believe Hoid really needed a spren or a nahel bond. He was just saving the spren from death...for a reason maybe the next book will tell. 

Hoid is going around the Cosmere collecting Investiture.  He already has multiple magic system from various planets and Shards' Investitures, so why would Roshar's magic be any different.  He even used Awakening in the epilogue and that is DEFINITELY not a Rosharan magic system.

On 1/5/2018 at 5:39 AM, Calderis said:

I strongly doubt that Wit placed the flawed gems in Elhokars plate. 

Hoid is incapable of causing physical harm to people. Even the thought of causing a person harm causes him to be nauseated to the point he is incapacitated. 

There's no way he's intentionally caused situations that would result in someone's death. He can manipulate them all he wants, but even thinking about hurting them will incapacitate him. 

That's fair.  I can acknowledge that one about Hoid.  He still seemed to show some interest in the Lightweavers at least.  Everything may not have been necessarily planned on his part, maybe he was setting up the possible opportunity.

2 minutes ago, TequilaJack said:

And did he really bond the spren at the end? I didn't think so. I thought he was saving it for someone else. Maybe Navani or Rock.

"I know you'd rather someone else," Wit said, "but it isn't time to be picky.  I'm certain now that the reason I'm in the city is to find you."
"It's either go with me now," Wit said to the wall, "or wait it out and get captured.  I honestly don't even know if you've the mind to listen.  But if you do, know this: I will give you truths.  And I know some juicy ones."
"Life before Death, little one."
- taken from the last page of Oathbringer.

He may not have known when he got to Kholinar that he needed to get the Cryptic, but he said he would give it truths which is all that the Order of Lightweavers need for their bond.  That way he doesn't have to be bound by specific mantras and Oaths like the other Orders do, all he has to do is say true things to the Cryptic.  It is, in fact, the perfect Order for Hoid.

Hoid also didn't know about the mission to Kholinar from the Knights Radiant so he didn't know Elhokar was there so I think my theory is still safe.

Just now, Song said:

It is a really interesting thought, particularly with Wits presence at hunt

Exactly, I know the Alethi treat things such as that like sport but now that I think about it, it was kinda weird for the King's Wit to be there insulting people who are trying to hunt a humongous beast that almost killed them all. 

7 minutes ago, Song said:

I assume since it wasn't answered explicitly that it was the same crew who tried to kill him in WoR (at least some of whom were Diagramists).

I hope it wasn't Hoid. It also seems a bit too sloppy for him.

Like I said, I could be wrong.  But we also don't really know a whole lot about Hoid in general to make the assumption of what he would and wouldn't do.

3 minutes ago, Bort said:

No, at the end of WoK, Elhokar admits to Dalinar that he fixed the strap but knew nothing about the gemstones.

Maybe we are onto something here, the only thing is, I'm not entirely sure if Wit is that heartless to go and hang around with proto-Lightweavers in the hope they are killed. He seemed to like Elhokar. Of course, I can see him being a total opportunist, and seizing the moment when it presented itself, regardless of who died.

See: "I will watch this world burn if that's what it takes to get what I need" (paraphrased of course).

I think that Wit has taken quite the liking to Shallan but I don't think he would have hesitated to take Pattern if Shallan had died in Kholinar, and she almost did a few times.

I actually COMPLETELY forgot about the gemstones and Wit WAS there on the chasmfiend hunt in TWoK because that is where he was introduced.  That actually adds a decent bit to the theory that I didn't even consider.  I'm ready to see what role he decides to play in the reformed Knights Radiant.

4 minutes ago, Bort said:

Now there's a question for Brandon. Something that was never answered in the books:

Did Hoid plant the faulty gemstones in Elhokar's Shardplate during that first chasmfiend battle?

I thought Elhokar did that himself.  I know he cut the straps, but maybe he didn't do that part with the Plate.  Maybe Wit did it and WE are on to SOMETHING.

Just now, Bort said:

Oh, I totally agree. I think if Hoid was going to attract any Spren, it would be a Cryptic. I was just saying that his natural investiture makes him stand out to the similarly invested. It put Syl off, who knows what it would do to a Cryptic?

Now that I think on it, probably put them off too, at least a little, since he has to persuade the Cryptic to go with him, rather than having already attracted one during his years on Roshar.

Now I can understand this logic, which might be why he would have difficulty attracting a spren on his own.  Thus why he would need to wait for a Lightweaver to die to get a Cryptic.

3 minutes ago, Bort said:

On one hand, I agree with you. On the other, we already have one Spren saying they don't like Hoid because he gives off an odd feeling (I forget Syl's actual words, but it's in WoK, in the Wandersail chapter).

 

 

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Well Syl also doesn't like Cryptics (except for Pattern during the Shadesmar arc).  I don't think all spren necessarily have the same opinions about everything, honorspren and Cryptics seem to disagree on a decent bit.

5 minutes ago, Greywatch said:

Because it shows up on the front page, it's best to keep spoiler facts out of the titles, as well as tagging with [OB] so people scanning the front page know that the topic in question contains spoilers.

Okay, thanks for the heads up.  I already changed it but I will make sure to keep that in mind (it has been a minute since I posted something, sorry).

It's on the Oathbringer spoiler thread, is it not?  Figured it would be okay.

Okay so I presented this idea to our facebook group and actually got a decent bit of pushback on it so I wanted to see what the Shard thought of it.

Also, this thread will likely get pretty Cosmere spoiler-y so if you haven't read much other than Stormlight, you may get spoiled so tread at your own pace (Ironic as I haven't read Mistborn Era 2 yet)

So, Wit totally bonded that Cryptic that Elhokar left, right?  Okay, so now that we cleared that up: we know Hoid has the ability to just happen to be in the right place at the right time, but I had the inkling suspicion that Hoid was very interested in the abilities of Lightweavers (considering he already has a Yolish form of the magic) and that he might have been helping sort of "groom" proto-Lightweavers for a while now on Roshar so that he could get his hands on the magic system (something he has been doing throughout the Cosmere).

So hear me out, Hoid was aware of Shallan's speaking of the Immortal Words/First Ideal when he confronted her during her flashback sequence and even used emotional Allomancy on her during the confrontation.  He also served as King's Wit for Elhokar, whom was also a proto-Lightweaver.  While Hoid has had a hand in the lives of the other MC Radiants, it seems as though he was more focused on the ones that were on the brink of becoming Lightweavers.  I'm thinking that Hoid might have been grooming these Lightweavers so that when one of them eventually got killed (like a super young girl and a son of an assassinated king), he would pick up the spren.  The Order is perfect for Hoid, he even says that he has many truths that he can tell the Cryptic.  He has made it very clear when he spoke to Dalinar in WoR (I think) that he will watch Roshar burn if that's what it takes to get what he wants.  He may not necessarily want that to happen because seems pretty apparent from his letters in each books' Part Two epigraphs that he wants to stop Odium and is begging for help from outside forces.  But I also could see Hoid lurking for a Lightweaver to get killed and to try and salvage the spren considering that obtaining Surgebinding is a MUCH more complex task than eating a bead or obtaining someone's Breath.

I could very well be wrong with this theory but I think it is neat regardless, but what do all of you think?

I was very fond of when Renarin and Jasnah had their confrontation in the chapel.  Renarin's breakdown falling into Jasnah's arms just saying how he wanted to do the right thing and just wanted to help and that hit me really hard personally.  I am very similar to Renarin in a lot of ways (probably more so than any other fantasy character) and for him to have that breakdown, I could very much bond with that.  I am even MORE interested in Renarin now because of all that, same with Jasnah.

On 3/10/2017 at 10:25 PM, Walin said:

I had a horrible realization.

Once Shallan becomes more comfortable with having two identities, she might date Kaladin as Veil, ending in a You've Got Mail kind of romance, with her eventually running out of Stormlight, Kaladin learning it's Shallan, and them either breaking up, or getting together and pushing Adolin out of the picture until his perspective book.

I don't want this to happen at all. Too much stuff happening for the love square to take up valuable pages.

!. There might be something to the idea of Shallan using her two identities to juggle both of them.  I think that would lead to some interesting drama and character moments.
2. Kaladin's reaction to finding out that Shallan is Veil, should such a romance occur, would entirely depend on how Kaladin continues to feel about Shallan.  I personally think he has a deep admiration for her now that he understands more about her and that could maybe lead to feelings.
3. Adolin is not getting a perspective book.  He is an important character but we will not be getting a flashback book for him.

I want him and Kaladin to have a face off of some sort, Kaladin would win in a fight, that's obvious, but I do want justice for Kaladin and his squad.

On 11/10/2016 at 10:40 AM, goody153 said:

IMO mistborn trilogy (specifically the 3rd book) has like the best twist and turns out of everything that i've read so far from Brandon Sanderson. You should finish it soon, book 3 was an insane ride and it's definitely one of those books that i wish i could forget and read again.

I am enjoying it, it definitely feels like the strongest book in the series so far.

Also, straying off topic a tad but still relevant to Oathbringer:  who do you think the prologue's POV is gonna be?  I'm thinking Amaram.

19 minutes ago, goody153 said:

Oh you aren't done with hero of ages? Well that's too bad you'd probably recognize some of the epigraphs from WoTK as something related to mistborn.

But yeah you should finish HoA first, mistborn is so damnation spoiler-sensitive.

Yeah I've noticed.  I knew a few things about Mistborn going into it, but I've enjoyed the books enough.  They are a tad slower than I expected but the plot twists have been neat, *cough* Kelsier in book one *cough*.

On 11/3/2016 at 8:29 PM, bdoble97 said:

1. God there is so much SA have become my absolute favorite book series and its only two books in. 

2. Next I am really looking forward to see Kaladin and Syl relationship grow and expand I don't know if I'm the only one but I eventually want Syl to take a physical form and them to fall in love. 

3. Jasnah and Wit I want them to have a long journey together traveling to the shatterplains. I want to find out what she was doing in Shadsmare and what she may have learned from being in there for so long. Foes Wit give her any clues to who he truley is (probley not)

 

1. I absolutely agree

2. I'm big on the Shalladin ship but I would be alright with this too, I wonder if that is possible.  I never thought of that idea though, but I like it.

3. All of my yes

On 11/6/2016 at 4:11 AM, goody153 said:

Wait what do you mean you haven't read Warbreaker ?!?! (no seriously read it .. Nightblood being in Stormlight gave me so much hype)

Warbreaker is next after I finish Hero of Ages, I just got into the Cosmere back in June when I started The Way of Kings.  I went to Mistborn after I finished Words of Radiance.

On 11/3/2016 at 6:43 PM, Mistbornwithakitty said:

I can't wait for so many things!  Are you sure it's going to be a year?  I don't know if I can wait that long.  

I really want to see Jasnah return to the Shattered Plains.  I'm also curious about how this whole Shallan/Kalidin/Adolin thing will play out (I'm a bit partial to Shalidin, don't hate me).  Also curious to see the aftermath of the Sadeas assassination.  A million more things I'm hoping/waiting for, but those are the main ones.   

I could never hate a fellow Shalladin shipper <3

So we have about a year before Oathbringer comes out.  What is everyone looking forward to the most from this book, what do we hope to see, and any theories you might have about it are always welcome, of course.

For me personally, I'm REALLY stoked for Szeth's role in this story, I'm sure he will start being more present and I can't wait to see how he interacts with Nightblood (I still need to read Warbreaker) and what he does as far as handling Shinovar.  As well as Szeth, I can't wait to see what Mraize had to teach Shallan considering he is so insistent on having her in the Ghostbloods.

Let me know what you all think! 

5 hours ago, Spoolofwhool said:

Really? I've always interpreted it as Rayse being under the weight of Odium, the divine hatred without other intents. Which has always been an interesting thought because the first letter implied that he accepted the intent of Odium without resistance, while the second implies the opposite.

You could very well be right, we can only wait and see.  I never thought of it that way but I kind of answered my own question by saying that Rayse is different than how he began.  I'm just kind of on the Taln train, as you've probably seen in other posts.  I can't wait to see where his plot goes.

19 hours ago, Spoolofwhool said:

Just something interesting about Rayse, once I realized the Cosmere implications. The line itself feels to me to have a heavy impact. 

I was looking at the epigraphs the other day and they talked about how Rayse wasn't always like he is now.  Odium is the Shard of Adonalsium's divine hatred, this epigraph is probably referring to Taln's suffering for the past four and a half millennia.