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"He shall defend their ways, yet shall violate them. He will be their savior, yet they shall call him heretic. His name shall be Discord, yet they shall love him for it."

Even Telsin mentions about Harmony becoming Discord like capital in one of her lines.

Ohhh boy Scadrial is gonna in fun times. Also the epigraph saying so much irony of Discord is gonna helluvah interesting this is how you end an era with a big question

Thoughts ? Theories ?

10 hours ago, robardin said:

As for Autonomy’s saying that Harmony was verging to becoming Discord - I presume that was the “dark shadow” of Harmony that we saw a few times, but not every time, he manifested…

What would be the implication of Sazed’s intent moving to “Discord”? Even more inability to act? Or would he act more often but more erratically (randomly alternating between doing acts of Preservation or of Ruin)?

Let me quote you an old epigraph

 

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"He shall defend their ways, yet shall violate them. He will be their savior, yet they shall call him heretic. His name shall be Discord, yet they shall love him for it."

Looks like Sazed is gonna go bonkers lol

I'll start:

Kelsier and Rushu (i know so random but hear me out).

Like Thaidakar version of Kelsier and current Rushu sounds fun. The dangerous manipulator and the naive always spacing out scholar would make an interesting duo

Lets make a fun thread.

Rules:

1. The shipped characters should only be from different origins(planet maybe).

2. Justify your ship.

3. Don't take this too seriously. Have fun !

On 3/31/2022 at 1:39 AM, teknopathetic said:

I am so excited my Shallan killed her mother-herald theory is looking very likely! 

I'm all for it !

I wasn't part of the hype train of this theory before but i just have to say i'm all for it now. (i logged in again just to support this theory lol)

4 hours ago, Karger said:

They will eventually find an aluminum sheath and some specially trained fused will get Nightblood.

*coughs* my answer wasn't serious *coughs*

On a more serious note. It will be a permanent solution with Odium and the fused but we won't have a clue as of now considering oathpact isn't a thing that stops the fused anymore (just Odium it seems).

You get a deadeye ! That follows you around creepily and stares at you while you sleep but on the bright side you will never be lonely again xD

*inserts Ruin*

Lightweaver and Truthwatcher for entertainment and presentations.

Elsecaller and Lightweaver with soulcasting doing practically any job.

Skybreakers as law-enforcement(obviously it wont be as bad without crazy Nale leading them)

Skybreakers and Windrunners for transportation and peace-keeping.

Dustbringers. Demolition ? Quarry jobs ? 

Throw Nightblood at them till they run out.

I am convinced the Shin or Shinjas only had honorblades. Seems like making Szeth a truthless was an attempt to surpass any Knight Radiant rising on their midst (possibly influenced by a herald, or Odium)

Ok this just made the murder party faaar more fascinating.

Love how each book the murder party gains more light and hidden depths cannot be seen in one perspective. Now it sounds like the murder of Gavilar isn't just a simple one-sided murder intention from the Parshendi.

Abit late to the party but i wanna chime in regarding OP's post. 

@Parallax The whole point of Stormlight Archives if not only Dalinar's Story alone is about redemption not justice which is about individuals who made mistakes, those who are broken and those are wrapped by a dark past. It is about the story of making right of the wrongs while still alive that has been done by being a better person and moving past such things anymore to help create a better world. 

Dalinar did countless atrocities but everything about his story is about trying to make right by doing the right things and no longer do the horrifying things he did before. The entire thing about him committing atrocities is completely intentional and something that can't be glossed over for the very reason of making a more convincing case of the theme.

Stormlight Archives is all about becoming a better person no matter who you are. 

At the same time why Dalinar didn't just surrender to the embrace of death that is justice was due to the bigger looming fact that there's a God of Hate who is about to kill everything and nobody is doing steps towards stopping Rayse except him.

If you expected the series to be all about justice(or revenge as those two are entirely interchangeable) then you came for the wrong series. I suggest reading Best Served Cold by Joe Abercrombie or perhaps any rendition of Count of Monte Cristo or something. 

Granted, you didn't have the wish but somebody did have a wish which had a backlash on you regardless.
 

I wish my lust was satiated 

19 minutes ago, SwordNimiForPresident said:

Humans are not native to the planet Roshar, and unless I’m mistaken, the Heralds predate the migration.

I don't think it was all of them aren't native but i could be wrong i guess in that aspect that some of them are worldhoppers at least who didn't initially start at roshar system.

Marsh is a worldhopper too but he is already on the list.

7 hours ago, SwordNimiForPresident said:

The Heralds..

Heralds hasn't left Rosharian System since being Heralds.

Unless ofc some of them originally came from Yolen or somewhere else then they'd probably count  as worldhoppers

1 minute ago, Shard of Thought said:

Oh yeah. I think Kell would have little self-confidence faced with Odium. 

Just reading about some of his perspective when he was still alive (like not cognitive shadow alive but alive alive).

He is soooo consumned with rage and blame. He is extremely competent too. He is perfect as Odium's tool 

He wouldn't be a Radiant. He would be more of Odium's goons  !

but i guess to answer the question Dustbringer does fit like Calderis said

15 minutes ago, Jace21 said:

That's fine, it can not seem a coincidence to you while possibly being one for me.

Brandon qualifies the WoB saying Endowments involvement is more than using her investiture (breaths) but "not to the extent you're thinking", so it's still pretty vague. 

And while I agree that the creation of Vasher/Nightblood are unlikely to be coincidence, it could easily be conincidence that they are on Roshar, which is what I was saying. Even Shardic future sight is flawed and considering the Returned don't always do what they're supposed to anyway, she clearly isn't perfect and forseeing hundreds of years in the future will be even more difficult.

It isn't 100% sure but shards have everything too planned that it is highly unlikely to be coincidence.

And shardic vision only becomes flawed once other shards are involved in contesting the future. Alone ? It is 100% gonna work but when other shards are involved tangentially it will become uncertain.

It basically works the same way with Atium combat. When atium user faces a none-atium user they can predict 100% but against another atium user it becomes weird and uncertain (this has a wob but i can't find it .. i'll try to edit tomorrow as it is 10pm here and i have work really early)

11 hours ago, Jace21 said:

It could definitely be a coincidence. Nightblood is more than just Endowment is likely only on Roshar because Vasher took him and Vasher himself just wanted more freely available investiture. Is it possible both were Endowment's plan? Yes. Are there perfectly reasonable alternate explanations, also yes.

Coincidence is very rare when shards are involved especially something like Nightblood which basically has Endownments involvement personally.

Hell they can sometimes plan for a person to be born like centuries ahead(if simple things like keeping Rashek's nostalgia for a millenia is planned by a Shard then stuff like having a splinter outside the system is more likely a planned action). Having 2 splinters offworld in a very precarious place does not sound as coincidence to me

Edgli could be putting a front of being tough in the letter. Inside she could be worried that Hoid is right about Odium. 

I wouldn't count shards or anybody really to be really truthful all the times. Even Sazed's letter to Hoid was abit PR-ish way of communicating. He said he wants to talk to Hoid right but he could've been tricking hoid into talking but he's really gonna capture and torture information out of him(ok this is not true for sazed but you get what i mean)

Besides Nightblood and Vasher on Roshar ? Both are giant splinters of endownment. Those are definitely not a coincidence despite her claiming to stay away from other shards.

On 2/7/2019 at 6:40 AM, Lightblood said:

I personally want to see Ironeyes be a anti-hero in the next era. Kinda a wild card. A rightoues villian thats working against Trell, but not on the side of the protaginist.

You know that sounds like a really good introduction of Kelsier's character back again.

On 2/9/2019 at 2:51 AM, Lightblood said:

Yes! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Make Marsh fight to the death with his Younger (more attractive) brother!

Harmony's Ruin vs. Harmony's preservation!

Battle of the ages

Sounds like Dissociative identity disorder (DID) to me for Sazed lol

On 2/9/2019 at 3:13 AM, Shard of Thought said:

 

I love Marsh, but there's a dark part of me that really wants to see this. I wonder if eventually, Harmony's just gonna get mad at Kell and then have Marsh go at 'im.

If Sazed wants Kel out of the picture i don't think that'll be how it works. He isn't the invasive Ruin anymore and his main motto is give people as much choice as possible.

So he'll probably just arrange to have somebody or marsh in a scenario where they would fight each other. Or plan an entire sequence of events where it would lead to Kelsier's end without even directly being involved

You can't really be somebody too powerful on Cosmere or you draw attention from the shards(or organizations on cosmere). Which is never a good idea

I suppose Vin and Elend's struggles are incomparable but i do find Elend's Tyrant vs Good King vs Idealist struggles so much more interesting than Vin's identity struggle as a person with much power/responsibilities that doesn't know where she belongs

Yeah sometimes she remember's Reen. Sometimes it's just Ruin whispering in her head.

Ruin influence is actually so effective. She can't actually tell whether it is your thoughts or just his voice. He can even make you do things or encourage you to do things without even realizing as if you were doing it on your own will(that's with Vin knowing about Ruin's existence)