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To the people saying guns can be reversed engineered easily: No. You are so wrong it's actually hilarious. First? Gunpowder. Roshar hasn't discovered black powder as far as I can tell, so they have no hope of understanding gunpowder to the point of being able to soulcast them. Remember that you have to actually understand what it is you want to make. Two? Internal mechanics. While the exterior of a gun is easy to model, it's all the fiddly inner pieces that actually make them hard to remake without any cultural or scholarly understanding of what a gun is. If the scadrians where stuck on muskets, I might wave this point, but Vindication(I admit that it's a state of the art weapon on Scadrial, but it does show my point) is made to have two ammo "Compartments"(Kinda) where a button/lever would allow you to spin to different, predetermined shots. Third? Understanding how guns work. As hard as it is to believe, it's not always obvious that the metal casing have gunpowder, meaning that the Rosharian engineers will likely associate it with some of the people ability to move metal supernaturally. The two abilities(Steelpushing and guns) look alot alike if you don't understand that the metal box might be a mundane machine(of which roshar has almost none of, Their only machines are all fabricals(Unless I'm wrong)) Finally? That assuming that the Scadrians leave guns behind(which is more of a coin flip than anything). It's really easy to get them back, all it would take is a single lurcher. Other points? Nothing has changed about the Scadrians being able to use hemalurgy. Take some sneaky prisoners, then spike their memories/knowledge. Then you nullify much of the advantages of local terrain, differing strategies and perhaps even unlocking the ability to use Soulcasters/Shards/Radiant spren(depending on if they are willing to experiment to find out how to spike the nehel bond out of a person). Then we move to the Kandra. I mean, how in Damnation are the Rosharians supposed to react to literal shapechangers that can replace key individuals in leadership or production or anywhere. And since Koloss have some ability to breed now, they are a factor. So another advantage for the non-human allies. Now, Roshar had two key advantages in this "war": Shardblades/plates are invested enough to be more resistant to any direct manipulation with Allomancy. It could throw enough of them off to spell a couple early victories. Stormlight lets them heal all of their radiants/honorblades, make food/water/weapons/ect, manipulate the surges. That's a lot of utility of the substance that the Scadrians just can't use(unless/until they do a little of the stabby stabby with the Spiky spikes).

That would be hilarious. I love it. But at the end of WoR, Kaladin attracts a bunch of Windspren. So either Honor(the shard) really liked wind or Kaladin is attracted observers to his use of their gift.

Well, the two things that sprang this to mind is that A ) People can willingly give up their power, which can then be shattered without killing them. This is for the Hoid is a Sliver of Adonalsium reasoning. or, B )Hoid mentioned that he started as an idea, that he was spiritually blind(almost as if he wasn't /in/ the spiritual to begin with), and has access to several investitures that didn't manifest until after the shattering(Assumption on my part). If he was a very powerful Cognitive Shadow that somehow gained enough investiture to manifest a physical body, they the above would make some degree of sense. Of course, I haven't read BoM or SH yet, so I might be a little bit of the mark here. That and I only got into the Cosmere in October and haven't quite gotten caught up on all the WoB yet, so I totally accept that I could be entirely wrong.

Could Hoid have been the Cognitive mind of Adonalsium? I have no proof or evidence. Just a thought that came up in the middle of a lecture.

Feruchemy is end neutral. I don't think its a matter of possibility, but probability. If we had confirmation on Miles and other Large Volume Tapping, then it would be more conclusive. What I see are two options: A ) Savantism is unique to End Positive Investitures, due the requirement of investiture to become one or for the intake of energy. Possibly with equivalent conditions for End Neutral and End Negative Investitures(with different requirements and effects). B ) Savantism is only practically possible in End Positive Systems, even if it's *technically* possible in other systems.

Edit: Reread my post, realized it didn't help and took it down. Sorry for that.

It could relate to Paalm being a shadow of her original self because of lacking a spike.

Better question, what would the aluminium spike do to a Kandra if it was used as a blessing? Because the blessings are literally the source of their sentience, you would imagine that aluminium would have an effect.

So I found this WoB. It directly states that you cannot be a Compounding Savant, but I /think/ it implies that savantism isn't unique to Allomancy, just that compounding interferes with Savantism. That and that the Compounding equivalent in any given Investiture will have it's own name. Of course, I might be reading to far into it. Thoughts?

As someone who doesn't want to be spoiled, did they disprove my point? Just a yes or no please....

Don't we have a quote somewhere that an Item is either in or out of a speed bubble? That an Item(defined by/in the cognitive realm), must be considered a part of a speed bubble or outside one? So that /if/ an Item would be excluded because of Aluminium, then the entire object would be. Also, pretty sure that in Alloy of Law, one of the characters had an Aluminium gun/knife(Someone back me up? I lent my copy out to a friend) inside a bubble and nothing untoward happened. Edit: Found it:

Well, I stand corrected then. But are your sure about Vin? I could have sworn I saw a WoB that stated that it was explicitly not the case. That's why I came to a lot of conclusions I did so if that was wrong.....

I don't see why the investiture being from you matters. Being a savant is done by holding Investiture, any Investiture, even if it comes from you, for a long period of time. So, ANY Investure(Especially things like Awakening and Surgebinding) can make you a savant, if it lets you HOLD Investiture for a long period of time. Which Hemalurgy doesn't but Feruchemy and Allomancy does. Sazed is a Harmony Savant, Ati was a Ruin Savant and Leras was a Preservation Savant, but both Kelsier and Vin aren't Preservation Savants because they didn't hold the shard long enough for it to change them in a significant manner. Miles isn't always burning Gold, FYI, he burns a little gold, get a ton of powers, stores that power and then constantly taps it over a period of time. He doesn't use up the entire burn worth of health everyday, that would waste perfectly fine healing when he really only needs the smallest touch of it. A compounding Savant would be a Feruchemic Savant though..... Because he isn't an Augur Savant, and his Savant abilities are from health(F!Gold) not temporal(A!Gold). It would be a fallacy to claim he is a Compound Savant when all Compounding is, is a burst of the Feruchemical ability. By calling him a Compound Savant, you are, therefore, calling him a Feruchemical Savant because the Invesiture he gains(From Compounding) is /identical/ to the Feruchemical Investiture. But please, if anyone should disagree with me, speak/post about it and lets talk. But please don't fall back on "Well we haven't seen a Feruchemic Savant so they don't exist!". Because the amount of Invesititure needed would require compounding to achieve in any reasonable amount of time. Note: I'm looking for the WoB that states that anyone holding any amount of Investiture will be changed over a large period of time, if someone knows off hand where it is, I would appreciate it.

Savantism is explained as a consequence of holding investiture over a long period of time, similar to how holding Ruin changed Ati. Is their any evidence that this is not the case? Otherwise the WoB that all investiture will change it's holder over a period of time would indicate that you can become a Feruchemic Savant by constantly tapping a metal mind over a long period of time. The only confirmed ferring to have done that is Miles, and he does show an ability that can't be explained by just being a Ferring or Misting. So the only two options is that the Twinborn perk of Gold and Gold is not feeling pain(Something that I don't think follows any logic) or that by always tapping gold, Miles' body chanced to not feel pain by always holding investiture(I.E Savantism). If you assert that you can't become a Feruchemic Savant, then I have to ask for some evidence other than "Well we haven't seen a Feruchemic Savant before", because that is explained with very few Feruchemist having enough of a charge in any individual metal mind to change their body by holding that investiture. Edit: Oh, that was a lot more confrontational than I meant it to be. Sorry

My point is that he can become a Feruchemic Savant, because of the amount of Investiture he holds over a large period of time. That's exactly what happened to spook/March/Kelsier that made them savants. My point is that the not feeling of pain isn't his twinborn perk, rather being a side effect of Savantism into Feruchemic Gold(which happens to act a lot like a pewter savant.)

Mistborn only really refers to the first three books, the currently three(plus one coming) are the Wax and Wayne series.

I am more than willing to believe that you can be a Savant in compounding gold. Because Pewter Savants already don't feel pain so that takes the least assumptions to be accurate. Becoming a savant just needs you to holding a lot of investiture consistently, like Miles does with Ferochemic gold. Occram's razor and all that.

Um, not to derail this, but couldn't Endowment also be present? There is nothing I can think of that would deny Endowment's involvement and the intent lines up better if Endowment is the one whom is endowing the "Trellium" on Paalm. Endowment is defined as "to furnish, as with some talent, faculty, or quality" ,which I see as explaining why Paalm could gain, or be endowed with, the other metalic arts through hemalugy. Of course, this doesn't disprove Autonomy involvement, but it does make a case for Endowment being involved as well/in place of Odium. Unless you are arguing that Autonomy could create a God Metal that allows Kandra to gain Allomancy/Ferochemy. Fairly certain that kandra cannot gain non-human attributes with any of the 16 base metals or the 2 God metals, unless this is mentioned in Bands of Mourning, which I haven't had the chance to read yet.