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Hey, so I've been gone from the site for a while, college apps and whatnot, and I was wondering what happened on the site while I was gone. I think I left around when Edgli was confirmed to be Endowment at a book signing. I'm cought up with the reading, so spoilers aren't an issue, so I'm mostly wondering if there were any particularly juicy WoBs lately, what theories that everyone has an opinion on, stuff like that. 

I was rereading WoK and noticed that the leathery-faced man, the one that Kaladin gets his vest and sandels from, refers to Talenelat'Elin as the "bearer of all agonies." I'm sure people already have theories about this, ie he's probably part of that herald-cult or something similar. What do y'all think? How did someone who had access to that kind of knowledge end up in the bridge crews? 

I've had a few shorter questions bouncing around my head for a while now. 

Is there any upper limit to the amount of Investure that could be stored in an object?

What causes the separate appearances of the Cognitive realm / what would happen if you took a sphere from Roshar's and brought it to Scadrial?

Is there any overlap between the two sections of the cognitive realm i.e. what would happen if two worlds had different interpretations of one object?

if you created a perfect duplicate of a statue, killed yourself before telling anyone and before the object had a chance to form its 'Identity' then destroyed the original, would someone in the cognitive realm be able to tell that it was a copy?

Is there any standard relating to the amount of Investure used and the physical force used i.e. a ratio between the amount of steel burned and how much force you could exert on a coin and would that be the same with how much force an awakened cloak could exert relatively to its breath input. 

I've been looking into the cosmere-lore for the past day-ish now, so I'm not that knowledgeable in how everything works, but from what I can understand, there hasn't been enough time for the people to evolve a new way of coloring their hair/eyes yet, but I also can't imagine that Honor or Cultivation would look at the previous humans and think "That looks great and all but I want everyone to have fancy eyes" I just don't get it

Sorry for the double post. Why was dalinar able to feel the thrill in his vision. Isn't the thrill caused by the spren thing mentioned by travanagan

What is the element that Hoid speaks of in the letter. I think the author is Hoid. I'm not sure. Also, why are the Larkin valuable; they seem to only effect surgebinders. There aren't many surgebinders when the interlude takes place. What makes them valuable. Also, there is a weird line in WoK; it says that Elhokar "absently rubbed his chest" Andolin, the person who noticed this thinks it is odd. It seems like an odd inclusion; at first I thought he had been pierced by a spike, but he seems to normal. In the book it would make sense for it to be a failed assination attempt from the group that Marsh works with

Not sure I understand your point on Worldhopping but from what we know it's just using the cognitive realm and Shardpools, it has little to nothing to do with peoples perception of stars.

So basically what I meant is that more primative cultures don't think of space as having the awesome scale that we know it has, I think that worldhoppers are able to use this misconception to essentially just walk through space.

So, this theory has been in my head for a while, I was reading the Mistborn books again, I noticed two things, 1; the shards actively influence the world. 2; the shards seem to have created the powers, by that I mean they like decided what metal did what and like how slow bendalloy made time. Ok, so what this means to me is that 1; they are unable to influence the world for most of the book, and relied on slivers and passive things (like the Well) to change anything. 2; the burst of "power" or ability to change things disappears when the intent settles in. These are probably things you already knew.

Part two, bubbles. Ok so here is where it gets speculative. The burst of change ability only comes when the intent hasn't set in. I think that since harmony's intent is.. harmony, if Odium offsets the balance by being odious, harmony would get a burst of power, allowing him to reset the size of bubbles, make allomancey even more powerful, to reset the balance. This is the end of my theory.

Now for that third thing. Something I thought about while writing this; what if the only reason the people are able to worldhop is the fact that people think of the stars as something more like a wall, or something you can get to. Waxillium almost immediately thought of a "ship to the stars" when he saw the allomanticaly powered ship. The worldhoppers are able to use this misconception as a way to "climb to the stars" and get to other places.

How do the lashings work (the ones that work with gravity)? Like, do they create gravity that only affects the person/object? Or do they redirect the planet's gravity.

I tried looking in the ars arcanum, and there were two contradictory sentences "the lashings work by ripping the person from the planets gravity, and pulling them somewhere else. This causes the gravity to twist." (I'm doing this off of memory, I probably got some of the words wrong

I thought the shards made "God metals" like atium, and lerasium. There might be some similarities.

Also, I like your theory, and I'm wondering if there could be a similarity with the orders and the other shards

Oh, I guess I should be more clear, I didn't expect there to be something that eats shardblades, I assumed it would turn them into like regular metal, or interfere with there ability to be summoned. Also, do you think it would kill like a kolos, as I assume they are only kept alive via investure

Larkins remove investure, right? So like what would happen if a Larkin got a lil bit to close to an inquisitor, or other hemerologic creation.

What about a shard, shardblade, or even the mists in mistborn.

Two questions

What is mechanical allomancey

If you did like a lashing (I forgot the name, the one that Kaladin did to his shield, the one that pulls objects toward an object) a couple billion times, could you mess with the planet's orbit.

I think it was Rayse. I feel like it would be in his character to kill the God of creation, then use 1/16 of his power to go around and kill a bunch of people.

The void-glyphs use point reflection whereas the surge-glyphs use reflection through an axis.

I doubt this suggests watered down versions of Radiant surges.

I think more along the lines of similar surges, but warped somehow. With one aspect of the surge inverted.

Nice find BTW.

I was suggesting that since the voidbringers are able to switch between spreen, and are therefore probably able to switch surges, so to keep a balance, the powers would be watered down

I do like the idea of a warped surge, and I think the two ideas could mix. Imagine a less-powerful lightweaving but instead of creating illusions, the power would be to remove light

http://coppermind.net/wiki/Category:Symbolslook at the link, most of what I have to say only makes sense if you look at the link, most of my info is visual, so just look at the link then read the rest of this post

According to this link, there is a voidish equivalent to the orders. We also know that the voidbringers/listeners were able to switch between forms. So the only conclusion i can think of is that voidbinding is a similar, watered down version of surgebinding.

Sorry for the short theory.

I don't know how to respond to with pictures, so just imagine a "why not both meme" in the place of txt

A quick question, what is Odium's endgame. I don't think it's to splinter a shard, because as we saw with Devotion and Dominion on Sel, and Honor on Roshar, the shard's power doesn't go to Odium, so I don't think he wants power. Odium's intent is to be... well odious, so it can't be like Ruin's, where he wants to destroy everything. Also, most people aren't realmaticaly aware, so he isn't inspiring hatered by killing them. He also seems to be inspiring fear, rather than hate for those who are realmaticaly aware.

I would LOVE Jasana as a worldhopper, she is so confident on her knowledge, I think the reaction to seeing Elantris would be priceless

I have a more broad interpretation of cultivation's magic, as ruin's Magic leads to well ruin (atium is a good example), (there are other examples) we can assume that the magic at least somehow lines up with the shard's intent. So, I would assume that cultivation's magic would have something to do with... well, cultivation. I think the way this would manifest is making other shards stronger. So, the spren would be only one manifestation of this, I think that is why the way the two shards opperated was so similar "heralds, unmade, voidbringers, radiants)

I liked your theory as I was reading it, and the timeframes and everything do fit, so I dug around a bit and did some looking. A few quotes I found seem to sort of debunk it...maybe not entirely, as there are some liberties and unknowns when dealing with shards.

 

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Windrunner17: [These bright patches are] visible from other worlds as well. The cosmere is a relatively small place (on a galactic scale, that is.) We’ll publish the star map when that becomes relevant in a decade or so.

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I like the theory. The timeline lines up, but I chose to quote this, not because it hurts the theory, but because I can't wait "a decade or so"

When you say "learn how to use the spear," do you mean actually wielding and training with a spear of your own, or dramatically flourishing a straight stick that you found in the yard like I do?

I started like you, but then I took some weapons classes. (I still dramatically flourish strait sticks)

When you learn how to use the spear, because of the chasm scene with Kaladin

YOLISH feruchemy? Where do you get that from?

We have only seen Hoid use a few feruchemical (I forget which ones) abilities, and we assume it's an all or nothing (like allowmancey)

Biggest problem I have with this is that we have Preservation's track record accounted for. Leras held it up until the events in the Mistborn Trilogy, and I doubt that the Shard could have affected him much without him actually holding it. Hoid, if you pay attention, is packed full of various different types of Investiture. This makes it harder for other magics to tamper with him, spiritually, and it accounts for his long life-span and such. We know it's incredibly hard to kill a surgebinder that has access to Stormlight. Harder still to kill a gold compounder. Hoid is suspected to be from Yolen, where I'm sure they have something just as hard to kill. I don't doubt his form of magic stems from Adonalsium directly. I'm rather fond of the theory that he is a splinter of Adonalsium, and not actually "human." This would also explain his inability to harm others, if he was something akin to an Adonalsium 'spren'.

 

So while you are on the right track with Hoid's sturdiness, I just doubt it has anything to do with Preservation. Heh. Just had a thought. What if he is just a cognitive splinter wearing an aluminum shell for a body.

Thank you for replying, I like the idea of him being part of andoalsium, and that even accounts for his other powers, and all of his quotes concerning like the Gibeltesh one and the one about "creating" a story.