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Minor note that Palah is Learned and giving. As noted above, I think it is more likely that she has travel, since that explains an ability that we have seen out of her (namely ranged soulcasting). Giving time to Order 4 only explains regrowth which is an ability that I don't believe she is supposed to have access to (since that would mean she is a StoneWarden).

I disagree on your statement that the second attribute is of no importance. The primary issue that I have with it is Shallan's use of truth in order to soulcast as opposed to inventing something new or clever. As far as she is concerned, we could almost come to the conclusion that Creativity is superfluous to her, although I would hesitate to do so since that is how she was identified as being in order 6. I think that both attributes fit into the four ideals of each order. Something along the lines of 1- General Ideal 2- Primary Attribute Ideal 3- Secondary Attribute Ideal 4- Synergistic Ideal? Therefore, both are needed to unlock your full potential. I do agree that Dalinar is in Order 8. He is resolute without being confident (He stands by his decisions even though he internally wavers a great deal). Order 9 works for him, I really can't argue the attributes except 8 fits him better. At the end, when we see him embrace his destiny, he has Resolved to Build an army and a nation. As a minor note, Lucentia=glowing would support your thought that light is a surge, namely surge 4.

Surges 3- I admit that the name that I chose was somewhat haphazard. I was really looking for something heat related. Temperature works, so does heat for that matter. 4- Firstly, I acknowledge that this probably belongs in 9 (Or 8/10) I believe that the surge is life primarily due to what physically happens to Dalinar. The two ideas for a surge responsible for what happens to Dalinar seem to be time or life. However, if time is the appropriate answer, then it seems as though the Knight Radiant is needlessly healing him overmuch. When Dalinar is healed he notes If she were simply healing him by reversing time, it would seem wiser to rewind him 2 or 3 hours, which would still leave him tired from the day. Instead, using time, she rewound him to the morning which seems needlessly wasteful with regrowth (since she did not expect him to fight with her), and we happen to know that she is at least somewhat serious with conserving regrowth as a resource. If she wouldn’t heal a man who didn’t know what year it was, or where he was, in the face of his concerned wife, I doubt she is in the practice of regularly over-healing. However, if she simply imparted healing into his body, then the excess healing seems less potent. (Over-healing enough to wake someone up as opposed to over-healing someone by 5+ hours) 5- Travel has been very, very nearly confirmed as a surge. Brandon said . Since the other three are confirmed surges, I am inclined to believe that Travel is as well (as opposed to an application of a surge like the lashings or regrowth appears to be).And I apologize for my phrasing on Shallan’s inability to soulcast at range. I was trying to say that she could not, but I was lazy in my typing, my mistake. 7-10 - I agree that time seems to be a likely surge, and one that I like the image of. I can think of a bunch of different possible surges, but as has been said, we just don’t know enough to accurately speculate. Why Attributes May Be Important Unimportant for Regrowth, since I acknowledge that this belongs in 9, but as a point in general, I think attributes may be important. This is a takeoff of another idea, that Nohadon amended the Magic system to formalize the Ideals of the Knights Radiant. In doing so, he may have (likely did) assigned the Knights the specific attributes that belong to each order. Meaning, that Surgebinders existed who had the surges of Adhesion and Gravity. However, Nohadon decided that those surgebinders needed to be connected to the attributes of protecting and leading. Now, in doing this, it seems as though it would make sense that Nohadon would, when there is a chance, make these Ideals (and by definition attributes) sensible and logical. Dustbringer As far as dust being an opaque gas, I was thinking along the lines of a visual representation of a dust devil or something like that. If you think of that, then it appears both gaseous and is technically made of dust. In fact, I believe that as a rule, the names of the knights are related to the colloquial representation of their powers rather than anything more specific. Wind runners do very little with air, but reading the descriptions of fights, it visually looks as though they are using wind all the time. I think this continues into dustbringer, in that they might not even have dust under their control, but the cloud that appears when they are around looks like they brought dust (admitted speculation that their essence in some way becomes visible when they do whatever they do for their transportation). As far as their being a Knight Radiant or a Void version, it basically comes down to which is more important, the sense of pride in “The dustbringers had done their work well” or the implication that they were trying to kill Kalak in the “But I survived”? Either can easily be explained away once we know more. As far as Dustbringer being a menacing name, I just don’t think it sounds that menacing. It is frightening due to their work, but the name itself isn’t particularly scary unless you really like being clean. To bring dust doesn’t seem as though anything is being destroyed, but that can just be me.

Hello, I am a long time lurker, but I am not really the best at contributing in general. I was looking for a consolidated list of things that I thought that I had found, or that general consensus had decided, so I chose to write a spreadsheet that had everything. (Sorry, can't figure out how to just post the spreadsheet, so I guess I will type what I have so it is still a consolidated point?) Essentially the surges that I can figure out are: 1. Gravity 2. Adhesion 3. Flame 4. Life 5. Travel 6. Transformation 7-10 Unknown I have the lady who does regrowth in the 4th order, Vev. Things I Decided Jasnah’s second surge is travel. I essentially argue this out of the realization that Jasnah can soulcast at range, which appears to be highly unusual. When Jasnah does her first soulcasting of the initial thief (turning him into fire) she touches him. However, on the final soulcasting she essentially shoots lightning bolts of transformation. In doing so, she does something that we do not see at any other point in time (and receive virtually no confirmation that anyone else can do this). Shallan attempts to learn how to soulcast and thinks In doing so, we see the usual way that soulcasting works, namely by touch. Shallan persists in thinking that touching an object is important for soulcasting. Kabsal, someone who is theoretically far more used to soulcasting argues the same. The biggest argument against her casting being from a combination of travel and transformation is the argument that Shallan would be able to do it as well, however, when Shallan casts the Goblet into blood, she is touching it as well. Is there anything that I am missing on this? Jasnah is in order 5. Full topic on this This essentially covers every point that I wish to say. Regrowth Occurs in Order 4 Under my current theory, which has travel belonging to Order 4 and 5, the lady who uses regrowth seems to belong to Order 4. Firstly, I am a strong believer in the attributes of an order being of paramount importance and order 4’s secondary attribute happens to be healing, which makes sense. Also, while the blue Knight Radiant (presumably Windrunner) was extremely noticeable in coming in, she simply appears kneeling next to Dalinar, who is preoccupied and tired, but I personally would argue that he is capable of noticing a glowing, impressive knight radiant walking or showing up in any normal manner. However, she simply appears. I argue that this is teleportation. Which makes sense for someone with access to Travel, giving them the most efficient means to get around. Dustbringers are Order 2 This is tenuous, given all the discussion between whether or not Dustbringers are Voidbringers or not. 1: Kalak seems to be proud/impressed with the Dustbringers, hence he says that their work was done well. 2: Dust, visually, can easily be seen as an opaque gas, which is the essence of Order 2. Furthermore, Smoke, the specific essence of Order 2, is what emanates from their work. 3: Can someone help remind me if Dustbringers show up anytime but in the Prelude? A search brings up nothing, but I don’t recall where it is, but I basically had an image of napalm covering the ground with them, hence adhesion and flame being their surges. It is possible that gravity and adhesion should be swapped. Stoneward Umm, we know little about Stonewards. Their plate is amber. I assume that they have something to do with stone (which is why I put them into order 8, order of stone).The wiki has Stonewards as having regrowth, which isn’t what I have down. However, I don’t know where that idea came from. If someone would like to tell me, I will change the theories that I have accordingly.