Awesomness

23 hours ago, USS bridge four said:

We'll get to see in his Novella.

Everything points to a Novella, but is this confirmed?

On 8/12/2020 at 4:51 PM, Raven Wilder said:

I figure the punishment he'll get from the other Horneaters is banishment. Specifically, banishment from Roshar, sending him through the perpendicularity and into Shadesmar, and he'll join up with one of the groups doing stuff there.

Loved the idea!

I haven't seen this topic discussed so here it goes:

What do you think will happen to Rock?

My (wild) guess is: he will be the 3rd bondsmith!! 

Besides that, I think we´ll see some interaction between him and Azure. 

I'll add 2 little moments. Sorry I don't have the quotes

1 - When Kaladin grabs a knife to fight and freezes, and Lirin basically gaslights him by telling him to not trust his mind, but to trust him... --> My man Lirin, I know you are a good guy, and feel guilty and want to protect Kaladin, and I know you were a good father to lil´Kal. Buy Stoms you are such a pain this book!!

2 - When Raboniel´s daughter mumbles to the wall, asking for her mom. Navani asks Raboniel where is her mom and she replies: Right here.

Maybe it's the other way around. Tien gave him the horse in the vision because he knew the horse was close, and Kal would find it.

Don´t think we'll ever know...

Hello!

I've been trying to work out the timeline for the first events we know that happened in Roshar.  We know the Singers "betrayed" the Spren and I am extremely curious! I don't think we have clues about what happened, but this is what we know:

1 - Roshar was inhabited by Singers and the shards Honour and Cultivation

2 - Humans arrive on Roshar after destroying their original planed with surgebinding.   

• Ishar was a bondsmith and the one able to transport the people
• Odium came with them to Roshar
• Questions: how did investiture work in Ashyn? Via Honorblades? Did the Honorblades come from Ashyn? If so, why honor blades?

3 - Once the humans arrive, the Singers give then Shinnovar.

4 - We know eventually 2 things happen:

• Humans start conquering other regions
• War with the Singers, they betray the spren and loose their connection to them.
• Is this when the Fused and Unmade show up?

5 - The oath pact is made, the Heralds vanish Odium. 

• Question: what happens with the singers between Desolations (before the false Desolation and imprisonment of BAM)?

6 - Spren imitate the honor blades and give surges to humans. 

• Question: surges are based on Roshar´s surges, were Ashyn ´s the same? Or maybe, the Honorblades and Surges were created after humans came to Roshar... I think this makes more sense.

7 - The cycle of Desolations begin.

Lets discuss if this timeline is correct (I'm probably forgetting something!) and what may have happened to make the Singers side with Odium.

It is mentioned that Kelek/Restares founded the Sons of Honour, but is not involved any longer.

My guess is he started the organization to find a way out of Roshar, and used the excuse of bringing back the Heralds as an excuse to manipulate a bunch of people into helping him with whatever plan he had.

The plan backfired when his allies came up with the idea to usher a Desolation to bring back the Heralds. So he left the organization.

57 minutes ago, Ookla the Unnamable said:

What? Kaladin has been struggling with letting people go and accepting that he cannot save everyone for that long. Now he has sworn that oath, we haven't seen him struggle with it at all. What you are saying is the same as saying that Kaladin would still allow Elhokar to die despite swearing the third ideal.

Ok first of all, I'm sorry if my wording wasn't accurate. English is not my native language.

Second, I'm not saying "letting people die", I am saying he will probably need to learn to trust his man, soldiers and Windrunners, to protect themselves and others, let them develop and make choices in order to fulfill their oaths. Empower them basically. It's not the same ase watching them die and doing nothing.

Anyways, this is my guess for the fifth oath, I'm not sure we have enough clues to actually predict it.

6 minutes ago, Ookla the Unnamable said:

That is before he swore the fourth ideal.

Yes, but I don't think that's relevant. He's been dealing with the 4th words since before being a radiant..!

I liked the arc but I think we need more answers.

OK, he was Restares. He wants out of the planet --> He founded? the Sons of Honor. He gave Gavilar the gemstones? he ordered Amaram killed (and Kal´s squad). WHY? 

There are so many pieces of the puzzle we still don't have!

I don't think she was her own person really, and thus she didn't die.

I've been uncomfortable with the 3 since OB, and specially during ROW, because the more "entity" Veil and Radiant had, the less "Shallan" is (as Blended would say).

Shallan made up Veil and channeled on her all her knowledge and experience as a spy, because she thought she couldn't manage for herself. Veil is also someone with a social standing that allows her to behave more lax (something she wants but wouldn't allow herself to do as Shallan)

Afterwards, she did the same with Radiant: who is a good soldier and always knows what to do and how to behave in society as a radiant (Something Shallan struggles with because she feels awkward)

That left Shallan as incompetent at spying and at soldiering, repressed from having fun and unable to navigate social demands as a radiant.   Who is "Shallan"? someone who draws, lightweaves and does some verbal banter, but who is always letting the other 2 take control and even make decisions (they have an agreemen to vote on everything, and "Shallan" has only 1 vote! lets them have majority!) 

She makes herself less than she actually is. It saddens and frustrates me. ( and I actually see a parallel with Navani)

I am actually happy Veil disappeared.  I´m not saying I didn't like Veil or the complexity the 3 brought to the character. I liked the resolution of this arc and I expect Radiant to disappear to, leaving us with a whole-Shallan.

5 hours ago, Ookla the Unnamable said:

I feel like swearing to let people protect themselves is redundant. Kaladin has accepted that there are people he cannot save, and therefore has accepted that he has to let other people save themselves. I feel that this oath will deal with how to protect, something that Kaladin has struggled with from the beginning.

We've seen Kaladin freeze when he thinks he can´t protect his man. He claims he couldn't train more men and send them to battle to die. All this man he is referring to are soldiers who are trained, willing and ready to fight.

It's not redundant if you think about it as letting other (able) people to protect. After all, the 2nd ideal was about protecting those who cannot protect themselves.

One thing I love about this books is how the characters make mistakes and act based on biases or misconceptions. But they are always willing to do better.

Kaladin with Rlain. Navani with the fabrials, the sibling and Raboniel, the whole Venli arc. (to mention only some examples from ROW).

I agree with most of the moments mentioned before, and I want to add une more:

Teft and his relationship with Phendorana. Adorable and heartbreaking.

23 hours ago, Spren of Kindness said:

I'm thinking along the lines of 'letting them protect themselves'.   I feel like that fits with Kaladin's journey.

I'm with you. This was hinted already!

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Kaladin crept in the direction he thought the sound came from. “I fight to protect my men.”

“Closer,” Zahel said. “But your men are now as safe as they could ever be. They can care for themselves. So why do you keep fighting?”

“Maybe I don’t think they’re safe,” Kaladin said. “Maybe I…”

“… don’t think they can care for themselves?” Zahel asked. “You and old Dalinar. Hens from the same nest.”

Hi everyone!

I´m creating this topic to talk about the misterios EYES.

What are them? Are they dangerous? how?

I know Skyward is not Comere, but I can´t help thinking they are some kind of shard (or maybe I´m just used to spot parallels between Sanderson´s books...). A powerful being who lives in a dimension outside  space and time, everywhere and nowhere... 

I´m still working on a theory. What are your thoughts?

Ok he broke me many, many, many, (maaanyyy) times, but as Mistborn was my first Sanderson, definitely hit que hardest.

Kelsier death and the church of the survivor was the first blow, but the ending of the 1st era series, as the topic accurately says, obliterated me.

1 hour ago, king of nowhere said:

So doomslug is also akin to a lemon?  This keep getting more complicated

jaajajajaj Sorry!! The autocorrector strikes again!

I am very suspicious of this slug, ever since she first showed up.

My guess: we know not every human is citonic. Maybe Doomslug is a kind of citric creature that was kept in the black box (don´t remember the proper name) as biological component to activate the device, so anyone could use it. 

Ok this is my confession: I don´t like Tolkien.

Fellowship bored me to death, I don´t know how I managed to finish it.

Years later  (I thought I was a more mature reader) I tried with The Hobbit and left it a few pages before the end -and no regrets.

On 3/1/2018 at 11:17 PM, Ammanas said:

 

I don't believe in abridgements but Les Miserables is the only book that I can see why it would be a good idea.

 

Agreed! I really tried the unabridged, and though it was interesting, it was also too much information for me.

Speaking about classics, the one I recommend (and am currently thinking on rereading) is The Count of Montecristo. It´s Amazing! Everything ever invented, except perhaps time travel, happens in that book!

I just finished Echo of Things to Come and blew my mind really solid series!

Everything started with Harry Potter 

Read a book - loved a book (first time I really really love a book since Oathbringer BTW)- googled it for more information and discusssion - find this thread here.

This site feels more and more like home. 

10 minutes ago, Dreamstorm said:

Totally worth the time to watch this.  My two cents ....

I totally agree. Though I watched the movies, I am not really a fan. But what he says about expecting and demanding consistency rings a bell

Wow guys! I returned from holidays and find 30 new pages! I´m so proud of you! 

I wanted to share this video with you. Is´t about Star Wars, but I think it relates to our issues with the ships and the habit of  overanalyzing that got us here (still trying to move on). Enjoy and tell me what you think

20 minutes ago, Blackwarder said:

I think ash will bond a dustbringer spren. 

 

Warder

Why does so many people say this? I feel I lost something, or perhaps  didn't read that specific thread...

3 hours ago, Calderis said:

It's a meta joke. That's it.

Of course it is! Maybe what we should be wondering is exactly about what this joke is? Many times in OB I felt like Brandon was having fun with us hehe.

2 hours ago, What's a Seawolf? said:

Brandon just wanted to show the title of Book 4 in-world

Hhahahah If book 4 is like this then I am officially hyped!

53 minutes ago, Heir of the Void said:

Fifty Shades of Grey at the other. 

Luckly this is so outrageous, she didn't uncover her safe hand  But I could almost side with Gavilar for this.