laxrulz777

this thread has a discussion on it... at least some people believe her "I am afraid" declaration is one... I think I agree with them given Pattern's echo back of "This is true"...

I wasn't implying that he IS a support character. I agree with you that he'll be a major driver in book 3 and beyond. But in book 2, he took a back seat to Shallan, Kaladin and Dalinar. Throughout that book Adolin grew into a major character. I was just saying Navani could serve a similar role (IMO) as the 4th POV character for a book. I'm skeptical, at this point, that she could be the MAIN POV character for a book.

I agree with you. Almost certainly not a Windrunner. We also have a WoB that says the Willshaper's would have approved of his action so that's a thin possibility. Frankly, I'm leaning much more towards Releaser if anything (and that's a big if). For my money, I consider the following to be Radiants Jasnah, Kaladin, Shallan, Renarin, Dalinar... None of them are progressed as far as they can (and presumably will) go but all of them are actively talking to their Spren with full awareness of what that means (we aren't 100% certain of this in Jasnah's case but I think it's safe to assume) and heading towards that goal. I am intrigued by Dalinar's situation. There's no mentionin the histories regarding the Bondsmith of them not having swords. So one presumes that this is a result of the Recreance and the Stormfather's bitterness towards humans. That would seem to indicate that he might change his mind. Guess we'll see.

Correct me if I'm wrong but we've only actually SEEN her say two truths. Is there an assumed truth she might have said when she summoned her first shardblade? If so, I wonder if we'll ever find out what it is.

This answer is the one that excites me most. Becuase I really want to get a PoV from Taravangian, a Herald who isn't Taln, Taln, Eshonai, Jasnah, Naln, Navani and about half a dozen more... I'm also skeptical (frankly) that a book making heavy use of Renarin flashbacks could tell us much more than what we already know (especially once we have Dalinar's flashbacks). So if the flashbacks are (for example): Taravangian, Jasnah, Shalash, Navani, Taln but the books main action was focused on: Renarin, Jasnah, Lift, Adolin, Taln I could be really happy with that... especially given that there is plenty of room for additional satellite PoVs (maybe Navani can't drive a whole book but she can play a support role like Adolin did in book 2 for example).

I think this was March 22nd in Chicago He isn't sure who but it will be one of the remaining "big 5" (i.e. Szeth, Dalinar, Eshonai). I'll try to dig up the WoB (I think it was recent) but he essentially said he's written all the PoV flashbacks and he's just trying to figure out which one synthesizes best with the story for book 3. I'm not looking for locked in stone "ZOMG I CAN'T BELIEVE HE'D DO THIS TO US" never-gonna-change lists... But more about where his current thinking was. This is news to me. I hadn't seen her mentioned anywhere (though a Herald would be awesome and help to flesh out the story a lot). Wasn't Rysn (spelling? the girl with the potted grass) a possibility at one point or was that fandom desire? It sounds like the best list right now is Jasnah, Renarin, Lift, "Taln", XXXXX with that list always in flux.

My brother got me to read the Mistborn trilogy after he had. He read it and basically said, "I have to talk to someone about this... PLEASE read it." So I did. I love it. It was awesome. And then I read Alloy of Law. And it was awesome. But what really sucked me in was when I read the Ars Arcanum. I got to the end and went, "Huh? Cosmere? Investiture? Did I miss those words?" Fortunately, I had the books on my Kindle so I did a search and (surprising no one here) those terms weren't in the book. Googlegooglegoogle... What? There's more? Thus begain my reading addiction to Sanderson (and, I'll admit, a bit of a man crush). Now I just eagerly await the next book and the next revelation while heavily geeking out over Cosmere theories.

A lot depends on how locked in to Region the powers are. If you have to be born there to use the power then making a stamp that changes your birthplace also invalidates your forgery powers.

We have confirmation on Jasnah, Renarin, Lift and "Taln" right? Do we know the fifth?

Is it possible that the Stormfather picked up Honor's Cognitive Shadow and is holding it (similar to how Kelsier picked up Preservation for a time... but different because one is a whole shard and the other isn't)? Brandon also made mention of the death being a "slow burn" process that may mean that Tanavast had time to transfer his Cognitive Shadow willingly to the Stormfather over time...

It's a bit of a stretch, I'll admit, though we see a similar thing in the human population. Alethi females hide their safe-hand. They believe looking into the future is wrong. Nobody remembers the Parshendi role in the desolations. Maybe there was already a minor schism in Spren culture around the Nahel bond? The Spren who survived were already the ones uninclined to bond with a human. Seeing a mass genocide take place amongst their brethren would be sufficient to create a pretty big shift in Spren attitude. As with Jasnah / Vorinism, there are those who challenge these thoughts (Syl and the Cryptic elders) but the general populace of Spren still carries a heavy anti-human bias. This is what you were looking for Q: Why were all the shardblades swords when they can take on any weapon form they want? Would they all revert to swords when they die? A: When they die they'd revert to the basic form which was a sword since they were patterned after honorblades.

Nope... no proof messed up... he makes it pretty clear. Unless he's always holding stormlight, this is solid...

lol... sorry... i saw the google doc link and didn't see the other link. Your thought about the stormform feels close to right for me... it would likeliy be around the right time... The other alterntaive (the one I'd originally thought to look for) is some event that fits the first half of the prophecy "The love of men is a frigid thing, a mountain stream only three steps from the ice. We are his..." that occurs on Ishishach, 1171. To my knowledge, there isn't anything that we know of that occurred at that time though we may learn more with Dalinar's flashbacks (for all we knowhe, that's when Dalinar started reading the book or something). The front part of the prophecy has to be a clue since it seems so unrelated (superficially) to the Everstorm.

Hadn't seen that WoB... thanks. "Taln" is a really weird case. He might have the Honorblade but, because he hasn't surged in thousands of years they've returned to normal (don't Szeth's eyes go back and forth?). I think we can only judge so much from "Taln" anyways (a big part of the mystery for me is why Odium would even allow the Honorblades on Braize... ) and the fact that we keep having to put "" around "Taln" is another limiting factor

Just to play devils advocate. Think about the parent who's child goes off to join the army. The child makes good decisions and fights a just fight but dies charging a hill to save members of his platoon. Some parents, wracked with grief, will blame the army (especially if they had misgivings in the beginning). If this is the tone the other spren take and it's the attitude taught to young spren then it would be consistent. I'm not actually a fan of this. But it doesn't strike me as wholly false. Accidentally? Probably not. But if they had been told that the Parshendi were innocent then attacked anyways (out of the sort of internal justification that all humans are guilty of). Then, confronted with the truth and having their internal justification ripped away, their bond is broken. Your second point is a lot more compelling. It leaves me curious as to what would cause ALL of the KR (or possibly all except one chapter right?) to violate their oaths in such a dramatic fashion. Even the previous poster who suggested that they'd deviated from their purpose and were no fighting each other makes no sense. I feel like the Recreance is THE big mystery in Stormlight and I'm worried that we're going to have to wait 6-15 years to find out what it is.

Isn't Shallan a light eyed (blue?) though? There's no evidence that Shallan's eyes are Garnet (red or brown even). I think the Honorblade rules COULD be very different from everything else. For all we know, the Honorblades inherited properties from their wielder (I mean, these guys did wield these things for hundreds of thousands of years... and the bond had to be strong enough to survive 1000s of years between desolations). I think you're right... there are definitely holes with this theory but I don't see anything that outright disproves it.

I was thinking that the Heralds aren't simply 10 random Rosharians (My personal theory is that they're Returned from Nalthis but they could be any off-world origin). And they have a variety of eye colors just like you or I. Their Honorblades simply change the eye color of their wielder to the eye color of the Herald. Becoming a KR lightens your eyes (and so does bonding a shard blade right?) for reasons that, right now, consist of "magic" and not much more. Until we get on-screen appearances of more of the Heralds, this is one that will continue to stump us, I suspect.

I've had the pet theory that the Parshendi are "innocent" and when the KR found out that they'd been fighting them, they realized that they'd been actively violating their oaths. In the scene where they give up their swords and plate, the spren are already dead. Now, devoid of an ability to use Surges or touch Stormlight, they feel like they've lost everything (after all, compared to the ability to do the lashings, the shardblade is small potatoes). They throw their swords and plate down in disgust and disperse. So the "secret" is to reveal why the Parshendi are so innocent to the KR. That would destroy them again.

Could the honorblades simply change the eye color to match their owner Herald? Do we have anything that contradicts that theory?

I'm perfectly fine with the elantris changes. Those are simply corrections of geographical errors and a great editor would have already caught them. They're essentially story telling typos. The WoR changes are a more slippery slope. I need to read them before I judge, however.

I think that's a great example. I strongly suspect we'll see a lot of these. Whether they keep the name Fabrial or if that stays restricted to "Spren-tech" is an open ended question.

We also have a wonderful magical system that seems to equate languages or otherwise allow the Worldhoppers to communicate easily with the locals. I'm perfectly willing to let that be hand-waved away but, given the thoroughness with which he writes, I suspect that Brandon will explain it at some point. There were three sentient species on Yolen and he implies that any or all three of those species might be amongst tthe original shardholders. And now that I realize we've thoroughly and completely threadjacked the original question, I'll do my civic duty to return it to the topic: I think we'll undoubtedly see Fabrials (either by that name or another one) in other settings. I strongly suspect they're the way we'll see space travel in the later books. Based on Brandon's love of science, the most obvious being a Fabrial that eliminates Gravitation on an object and a metal mind that reduces mass to zero. Now a nudge could accelerate the object infinitly and (with a little bit of physics hand waving) you could achieve FTL flight. That's really only one way to do it. The systems we've already seen all have methods (either alone or in tandem with other ones) that would allow this. Maybe you can only get the mass of a ship down to zero through a metal mind so the ship has to have sentience so you need a breath invested ship. No one has ever asked if Nightblood could put one of his traits into a metal mind if he was hemallurgically spiked correctly... that would be an intriguing question.

Sure... but I'm the kind of guy that likes to try to figure out WHY he doesn't want us to know that yet

"cause the powers" is a tricky phrase. I think your sDNA is critical to the process and I think it can be altered by a Shard (through a bead or through the mist we've already seen). But I don't think the sDNA is actually providing the power source (I think the sDNA is more like circuitry but the electricity comes from somewhere else... in this ridiculously stretched metaphor, the metals would be a key logic gate or maybe even the power cable connecting the power supply to the motherboard...) I wouldn't say they're wrong. Finding the right metaphor for these things is tricky and I have to always caution myself not to get caught in a "metaphor" trap where you begin to think that just because a metaphor partially works that you start thinking that it's universal. But if we imagine the native magic power like a water flow slowly moving along then the metals might be "funnels". Those funnels do two things. They channel the energy increasing the speed and power. They also provide a shape to the stream based on the tip of the funnel. I think that interpretation is consistent with what both you and I are thinking as well as that WoB quote. Now when the power comes from a Ferruchemical source, it already has a shape. But consumption of the metal still gives you the amplifying affect (here's where the breakdown of my funnel metaphor happens a bit... a funnel can't actually "concentrate" a water flow without changing the shape... but that's not fatal to the explanation... merely a limitation of my physical world "funnel" metaphor). Your sDNA lets you burn Gold (we might go a step further... it's possible that your sDNA would even let you allomantically burn Gold on Earth... but there being no source of power you'd get nothing out of it... that's a tricky one and there's probably a good Brandon question in there somewhere). You're right. I'd forgotten about the distinction between Gold and Atium... It makes my example weaker but I think it still has merit (that the Allomantic and Ferruchemical powers are related).

I agree. I think there's something else out there with this. I THINK we also know that some of the planets that now have humans did NOT have life before (Scadrial is the one I'm thinking of specifically though there could be others). So is there a distinction between "pre-shattering" humans and "post-shattering / created" humans?