Eolhondras

4 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

And he was presumably targeted by the skindancers today but had protection. Could have been a WGG...? I honestly can't get a read on Eol. But I think I'm leaning village? Gah.

 

I'm of the opinion that if the Skindancers were going to attempt a WGG, they'd send someone to the crockery, rather than organising protection for them. Much less suspicion would be placed on said person and it would be the perfect stall tactic if things went wrong. Depending on the composition of the elim team, if they had someone with limited availability to play the game, I could see I as a decent move.

4 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

I guess this is why Aonar casted both his votes on himself last cycle? To have a better chance at expulsion than being charged with reckless use of smpathy?

My thoughts exactly. Also you didn't quite get what I was saying about voting numbers. More that 4-5 different individuals needed to share the DP given by the masters to approximately give the optimal amount of DP for lashing. Every vote after the first pushed Aonar further towards expulsion, and seeing as he thought that was the better option, it's likely that his other Skindancer buddies felt the same way, so Burnt, HH, Stick, Queen and Alvron are on the top of my suspicion list at the moment.

Same same, but different? Given he's now an outed skin dancer, and I was actually village. 

And regarding the Imre strategy, and your explanation of uselessness to the skindancers, begs the question why? What are you trying to achieve for the village by handycapping yourself? 

Unfortunately I can't vote this turn, but I would like to revisit on of Orlock's (I think) ideas, voting for the role block rather than expulsion. Given Aonar is a namer, I think it would be more beneficial to the village to keep him permanently role blocked than expelling him and him being able to use the name(s) that he has learnt. To that end, the 11-12 bracket of DP is the most efficient, giving 70% chance of lashes. That means we want 4 or 5 people (someone with better maths might be more accurate) with votes on them, that aren't staying at the pony, to spread the master's DP and achieve as close to that 11-12 number as possible.

As to people to vote on, if I were able, I would be voting on Wilson after the interaction she has had with Aonar this turn. The early defence of him is understandable given the very weak initial argument made by PK, but it is a strong defence and one that carries weight given who its coming from. However after the full argument is made, there is sill a level of defence there which I find inconsistent with how aggressively she had previously gone after people with much less evidence (Burnt and the Gram comes to mind).

I got my brain rearranged playing rugby over the weekend and have had to take a couple away from technology. But will catch up on the last cycle and get up to date asap. 

2 minutes ago, Alvron said:

A good start would be a list of those staying at the Pony.  Anyone care to reveal if they are at the Pony?

I.E a list of rich players who do not have 40% chance of a sabotage failing?

Darkness Ascendant

Night all, I'll say a prayer to the RNG gods.

1 hour ago, Drake Marshall said:

But I do believe that we need to start voting based on real suspicions, instead of just voting on people who lodge in the golden pony to get tuition reductions. I realize that by casting this one vote, I am precipitating more votes being sent around. I want that to happen. I'm not against a high amount of voting, but I want it to be based on suspicions, not tuition.

 

I disagree here. Not saying I have any suspicion of you because of it, and actually I agree with basically everything in your first post this cycle. That being that basically the only method for the village gaining information is through abilities (other than thread analysis), and that we shouldn't vote for no reason. I just don't see where real suspicions at this point can come from.

I would argue that we essentially have the equivalent of 3 D1 lynches in this game, given that the first time anyone will have access to information from abilities will be turn 4. Day 1 lynches usually give very little information at the best of times, and that's when they actually give any. Our options when putting people on the horns include nothing happening, forcibly reducing someone's tuition by 5 jots, role blocking people who likely wont even have roles yet and delaying their leaning for 1-3 turns, or expelling someone, likely before they have had the chance of learning an ability (how bored would you be after that!!!). 2/4 are detrimental the village, the other 2/4 are inconsequential. The only way the village wins is if we fluke a skindancer expulsion, or somehow role block every singe skindancer.

If I were a skindancer, the best possible outcome for the first couple of cycles would be send someone insane every turn, and to have someone(s) that have not been elevated expelled every turn, because you'd be removing potential tools of investigation before they had a chance to exist.

I'm not against everyone voting for the sake of financial security. I'm Yllish, so not in the worst position, but I can understand others wanting the reduction pretty badly. However as randuir said about PK earlier, leaving it till 12 hours left in the cycle probably isn't enough time for people to come up with real suspicions, and enough of them that we're not staring down the barrel of an expulsion. I'm of the opinion we should be restricting votes to people that are in the Golden Pony, or everyone votes. And since yours is the only vote on someone who is not confirmed to be in the Golden Pony, I would like to see you remove it on HH's behalf.

Cluny, I guess because you're a noble with no other vote on you. No other reasoning there.

Still finding my feet in this expanse of a game and am generally quite a reactive player anyway. It almost feels like I'm playing an solo RPG rather than team elimination. I'm interested to know about how much the PM restrictions limited PM use in the previous iteration of this game? What was the communication distribution like?

This sounds amazing, I'm in!
Signing up as Eolah

Eoldren is interested in some Scadrial fun times.

SD

Well I'd like an argument from you explaining your use of bad logic and misdirection as opposed to my 'not doing much'. Elenion

6 hours ago, Elenion said:

Well, it looks like I got ninja'd by Sart saying a similar thing, but...

I find it interesting that the Philosopher (I'll call him/her Phil) didn't make a kill last night. Either it was blocked, Phil is inactive, or they didn't want to give us any more info on who Phil couldn't be. Since no one claimed a second block on Aman and the third option is unlikely, I conclude that the Philosopher was inactive.

Looking through our list of suspects, players that I can't remember doing anything much yesterday include Alvron, Aonar, Conq, Eol, Kipper, and Bard. I'll discount Alv and Conq from the list because they're hard-cleared Pirate, leaving Aonar (claimed bodyguard), Eol (unclaimed), Kipper (unclaimed), and Bard (unclaimed).

Aonar isn't my primary choice to lynch because if he is really a bodyguard we don't want to kill him. But if he isn't, he's working with Aman.

This leaves Eol, Kipper, and Bard as my prime targets for being Phil (additionally, these players' lack of a claimed role makes me think they could also be Jeskeris). Since Kipper's already accumulated a couple of votes, I'll vote Eol and let Bard sit.

Philosopher must be inactive, because they definitely would have targeted Aman out of everyone in the game at this point, even knowing there was likely to be protection on him given Rae's chatter before role over. That's some very sketchy logic, and I don't know why you're trying to focus on the SK anyway? Trying to divert attention from a bigger threat in this game maybe?

At this point.. SD I fancy a friend if Len has his duke vote on me

The fact that this seems 'too convenient' IMO works in Aman's favour. We have a strong player, that many others have observed working for the village, with the potential to lose his head based on a position that could well have been orchestrated by redirects or other means. I'd rather not risk losing one of our most vocal members based on far fetched hypotheticals. 

Ren , is the only other real option right now so that's where my vote is going.

@Elenion I don't see how as an 'aggressive player' you could just back off either player. I'd rather not lynch both, so make a choice, as with Silver dragons noble vote it could well be tied.

34 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Welp, here's my reads so far. Generally I only have villager reads, because too many people are being quiet. So everyone who's being quiet, if you're a villager, you really need to speak up more, so that the people who do in depth analysis(not really me, although sometimes I do. I basically just get my reads from my initial reaction to posts, combined with what they've said previously) will have more to work with.

Villagers(my best guesses, anyway): Arraenae, Aman, Elenion, Bard, Magestar, SilverDragon, Jaime(weak read), Araris(very weak read), Emerald(weak read), Kipper(weak read).

Neutrals: Stink, Elodin(Neutral-Evil, but whatever).

Eliminators: Renegade(weak read), Eolhondras(like I said, I wouldn't mind if he was killed by a ChayShan), Sart(although I don't think him and Eol are teammates, so likely at least one of them is village), Orlok(so quiet, even during the Day), Elbereth(mostly paranoia. Could be the head Jeskeri(not a guess based on Elodin's "slip-up")), Burnt(still mildly suspicious), Conquestor(depends on who attacked him really, but I was leaning evil before he was attacked because he's been extremely quiet this game and has mostly just joked around when he has posted(though I haven't looked over all of his posts in a long time)).

No read/reads are too conflicting: Aonar, Wilson(although doubt she's Jeskeri and she was scanned as non-elim, so leaning Neutral or village, more Neutral, tbh), Alvron(no read, though if one person is evil, leaning village on him).

Really though, I have no idea who the eliminators could be at this point. I feel extremely lost. The first few people in my villagers section I feel a bit confident about, but most everyone else is really still a mystery to me.

I don't see how I've contributed less than con, ren, orlok, sart. And yet I'm the one you put up on the chopping block. 

Also you post this within the last 40 mins of a 48 HOUR turn and essentially pass off your kill on me by saying the words 'plz ChayShan'. I don't by it at all. I think you're just using that as an excuse,  and have my name lined up next to the ChayShan in people's heads so when they see my name in the write up,  it's just assumed that was the cause. 

I'm not sure we should make the assumption that the the kills are ChayShan and Eliminator kills. 

While its almost certain that one of them is an Eliminator faction, the other kill I have some doubts about. I think its more likely to be a serial killer, given that this is a secret role game and that there was no real suspicion surrounding Con or Alv before the kill was placed. It really only benefits the SK to be trying to kill people every cycle without discussion. It would be incredibly easy to target the person that the village is calling the ChayShan to target, have them make the assumption that that is in fact what happened, then avoid suspicion or retribution in further cycles. 

5 hours ago, Elenion said:

@Eolhondras I've already got a truce with Bugsy, so why don't you make one with me as well, so we'll be a threesome? And @TheMightyLopen I'll team with you too if you want.

5 hours ago, The Young Bard said:

I wouldn't mind getting in on the no-aggression team, if it's all the same to you.

Wonderful!

1 hour ago, Metacognition said:

This, everyone, is a voting block. Notice the interlinking between all the alliances made so far. That's not a coincidence, IMO. What they've done is make it so that if any of them get voted on, someone else will get lynched instead. Any vote on one of them will likely require at least 5 votes to be successful. Don't believe me? Test it. The chances that they'll just let someone that won't attack them die is slim at best. The more people that they have that won't attack them alive, the more likely they are to survive after all. That's just simple statistics. 

Personally, I consider myself a dead man walking. I have no doubts that I won't make it to the end. As such, I don't have any problem pointing this out so that everyone can see what's happening. 

If you want to join their alliance, good for you. You'll survive only as long as the alliance lasts. I don't be fooled, there will likely be some favoritism when it comes to who gets turned on first. 

If you don't, I suggest we break up these formal alliances before they even get a chance to start. Or else we'll be playing a faction game, instead of a free for all, where it was decided by who was on before everyone else was....

@The Only Joe Given my thoughts on alliances in general (and while I don't have time to RP it right now), I'd be happy with a RP alliance only at this point. I won't say I won't attack you, but I'd like to stand a chance to continue the RP further.

I'm not sure exactly how you're wanting this game to play out. In a truly faction-less free for all, there is no intrigue, no cunning. Simply the first person to gather a couple of poke votes in the lynch dies (exactly like whats happened today) and its basically luck of the draw as to who dies at night based on Pokemon types. Repeat until there's only one person...

The players you've listed are 5/25 players in this game, hardly an overpowering majority. I'm not playing favorites, I've freely said I'll make the same deal with whoever asks, regardless of when they come online. There's no PM's so there's no backroom deals secretly plotting when and who to stab in the back. Anything I have to say I have to say to you all. 

Your method of 'finding people to work with' that is definitely not a faction, relies on attacking and finding people who you're not effective or somewhat effective against. Except as soon as you ally with someone you're not effective against, you've just given them a loaded gun to knock you off whenever they please. I believe its far better to work with people when you have no idea what you're attack will do to them. 

You also perpetuate the idea of an eliminator faction while calling for a divided population. If there is an eliminator faction, (which for the record, I don't believe there is.) it would make it way easier to win with a divided 'village'. Imagine a normal game where every player was a coin shot and used their ability every turn. The people who have a group consensus (i.e. elim faction) are less likely to get attacked, and therefore more likely to win. That's simple statistics.

Everything you've done so far Meta, feels reminiscent of an outed eliminator, who's only purpose is to cause as much derision and doubt before their inevitable death. You might not feel like you're going to make it to the end of the game, but I don't think players should be rebuked for trying to put themselves in the best position to with the game.

2 hours ago, Metacognition said:

I sure hope not. The last time we had a FFA (The Hunger Games QF), some of us tried doing that and it was against the rules then and should be now. To me, that is similar to using PMs in a game where there isn't any PMs; you're specifically trying to bypass the rules to give yourself an advantage. Thus why it was outlawed then and that should still stand now. 

I share the same hopes. All I'm saying is, there were people who thought of it then, its possible people thought of it now. If, and its probably unlikely, it has happened, I don't want to wait around making friends when there's potential factions already in play.

2 hours ago, Bugsy6912 said:

@Eolhondras, would you care for a non aggression pact?

Absolutely!

@TheMightyLopen can I put you on a friendly list? Lopen

1 hour ago, cloudjumper said:

 

Edit: So...Eol, what do you think about all of this? 

 

Seems like a straight up shambles. 

I'm open to a peace pact with anyone who's willing. To some limited extent, this may have been organised in PM's before game by some players. If that isn't you, best not to be left behind.

Given there's only 25 players, and a lynch every turn, 20pp is a lot. Basically no need to hold back.

Edit: Lopen, Why the hell not.

29 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Ah, I see. I'll annoy someone else then.  How about any of you Aussies? You got any people you're suspicious of?

Ayo.

Personally I'd like to hear more from @Araris Valerian about the vote on Elbereth. As far as I can see she was hardly setting the lynch target, more expressing an opinion that many others shared and have since reiterated. Not to mention that Len was on equal standing, if not more likely to be lynched than Emerald.

Mailliw, your aviar are in good hands, and I will be blessed if they serve me even a fraction as well as they did you.

3 hours ago, Sart said:

Well, saw that one coming. I would prefer to lynch Elenion today. A lot of the discussion was focused on him yesterday, and it would greatly reduce our eliminator targets if he was evil. Of course, there might be another team out there, but it would still be a good place to start.

This is off to me. You come across very sure of what the result of Straw's death would be, but had nothing to say before he was lynched. As for Len, yes there was a fair bit of discussion about him yesterday, but basically all of that was over a new player not knowing the meta of SE. Once he proposed his suicide lynch plan for information, it was shot down because not much info could/would be gained by his death. As to the part about reducing eliminators, well that's really just a throw away statement that could be applied to any lynch. 

Basically this looks to me like an attempt to reignite a bandwagon with no new information, and get away with a free lynch. 

Eight days Eoltias had kept his troupe camped outside of Kae, waiting to make the perfect entry. Eight mediocre sunrises had meant most of the food had been eaten, nearly all the rum was gone and everyone was getting impatient. Whilst this morning was distinctly unexceptional, it would simply have to do.

“Actors at the ready! Limber yourselves up, plaster on those smiles, and merciful Domi, do something to cover up the liquor vapor that’s streaming from the pores of you miscreants!”

The orders were met with a mild amount of movement… But alas, the hangover after over a week of drinking had left the players in no mood for showmanship. Luckily this wasn’t the first such occurrence, and Eoltias was not without methods of ‘motivation’…

“First one ready drinks for free tonight!”

And just like that their little camp was abuzz with activity. Fires were put out, tents pulled down, wagons packed. In the space of ten minutes, everyone was ready to enter the town and looking (plus smelling) respectable enough to not get thrown straight back out.

Slowly but surely the troupe made their way towards the main gate of Kae, and as they did, Eoltias began to notice the familiar weight of anxiety dragging on his mind. These were turbulent times for ‘la Petite Troupe D'âne’ after all. Since one of their finer actors had walked out after their last performance, something about wanting to portray a role other than a tree… the troupe was in an awkward position. If they didn’t find a replacement or some new material, there would be a number of new job seekers roaming the streets.

Despite the authoritarian bravado that Eoltias used to control his players, he himself was sincerely dismayed by the thought of disbanding what he considered to be his life’s work. Sure he’d had better days, worked with brighter talents, but in the end, this was what he loved and the possibility of losing it was beyond painful. All the more reason for a good first impression.

“Alright, let’s go with the mounted human pyramid! Haven’t done that one in a while. Change your ways, change your luck! Smiles people! Ready… Let’s dazzle these simpletons!”

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Hear ye hear ye! Looking for and RP buddy, anyone who feels like their character might be a brilliant new talent that will bring new energy and life to deteriorating acting troupe, or perhaps a budding play write setting out to make their mark on the world, all ideas are welcome J

@The Young Bard Seriously man, a heads up in our doc before voting for me would have been nice..

I'm definitely tempted to start a conga line of name swaps.. But that would get waaaay too confusing. I'm in, just as Eol.

7 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

 

@Eolhondras: I'm voting you as MVP this game, mostly because of this post right here. Was a huge surprise for me when I saw someone else figure me and my plans out so completely. There's also the fact that you blocked the most kills this game (not counting my self-protection). If either of those kills had gone through there would have been a decent chance for me to win, especially the one on Bard.

Many thanks! You can easily see in the Korathi Doc that I certainly wasn't sure about you until basically the end of the game, and I certainly wasn't game to take you on head to head without solid grounds for accusation. As for the protects, eh, there was only 5 targets for me, and after you and cloud revealed I think the odds were against a kill going through if it was aimed at the senate. IMO our most effective villager was in fact an honorary one, the bane of the Derethi and a gallant flag bearer for a doomed cult. Well played again Aman.

4 hours ago, Mailliw73 said:

So you know, @Amanuensis I did actually protect El. It started as we had no starting Senators. So I decided to protect someone I would buddy up with just a bit, siding with El over Aman, protecting her in case I needed an alibi or needed to frame someone. No one knew you could actually take two actions, so I figured claiming to protect would clear me a bit. Then when I revealed myself, I just told the truth, knowing some of it would be thought to be a lie. 

Ahh that could have been great! Sorry that we couldn't see it play out.