Wrath

What if doubling on a surge makes it even stronger than before?

Or what if more spren = more Stormlight? Bond every single spren there is!

He's a nut job. Just because he's pointing his insanity in a different direction than other Epics doesn't make him any better a person.

You imply figuring out how to get a whole continent of people to shut up and maintain the status quote isn't an experience in and of itself. Clearly everyone was taught that in Terris packman school.

No, I'm implying that he did that once and then maintained it for a thousand years. Doing the same thing over and over doesn't broaden your horizons.

I understood what you meant. I was saying I disagree, for the reasons I detailed, not because you typed "oaths" instead of "truths." It just doesn't make sense to me that multi-order Radiants are unheard of in the stories, which they should be if it is as simple as not having contradicting oaths. As I said, if it were so simple as that, then any Knight Radiant who happens to be creative and holds some potent secrets would be a Lightweaver as well as whatever else they were. Yet in world this is unheard of. It implies, to me, that there is more to it.

The Knights Radiant didn't just consist of anyone who was slightly inclined towards honour or law or creativity or whatever the other Orders looked for in members. How many people truly excel in multiple fields? Kaladin has plenty of secrets and we know he has an artistic bent since he designed the Bridge Four tattoo, but you can't exactly compare that with what Shallan can do or how deeply her secrets have ruled her life. Likewise Shallan has acted to protect people, but it's not her primary characteristic by any means.

To attract two different spren you'd have to be even more exceptional than a Knight Radiant already is. You'd have to be a Radiant Squared, a one-in-a-million individual.

One thought I had is that the Loreists are taking advantage of some sort of communication Gifter/Epic to gather information. Like they have a telepathic network or something.

There pretty much has to be a big secret of some sort, whatever it turns out to be.

The point is that Rashek didn't start off as anybody particularly special. And a thousand years of life wouldn't necessarily make you any smarter. All TLR did was maintain a status quo and when you do that you don't gain new experiences or learn new things.

So, quick question, does this mean if a person had two spen it's possible they wouldn't bond? That they'd stay separate, and thus give multiple abilities/shardblades?

I'm pretty sure it's confirmed to be possible, but that you'd have to adhere to the oaths of two different Radiant Orders and therefore it's not particularly practical (especially if you were to bond a Highspren and an Honourspren, meaning you'd have to simultaneously do what's right regardless of the law and obey the law regardless of what is right).

Seems like a bonding a Cryptic would be fairly possible for someone of a different Order, since they don't have oaths. But you still need to be the sort of person who would attract two different spren.

My personal theory is that the Epic that killed Prof´s class was Prof himself on his rending, but no we don´t know.

That's also my theory. Seems like the logical answer. The real question is how Prof managed to take control of himself afterwards.

Did Edmund go on a Rending? I can't remember what he said in the first book.

TLR was never very smart. He wasn't the hero, after all, just the jealous guy who couldn't stand to let the hero succeed.

I summon Preservation, IN DEFENCE MODE. 

Don't be ridiculous.

Preservation is obviously a Trap Card.

Well if he believes that everyone has to die because anyone could become an Epic then David not becoming one would kind of make him Obliteration's messiah.

The only person who's qualified to play the Professor is Keanu Reaves.  I think we all know that.

It's possible you're joking but I actually think he's a good choice. He's closer to Prof's age and he can really work the black labcoat look, plus he can do creepy and sinister.

I picked Visionary because motivation doesn't come easily for me for various reasons.

Sourcefield showed that sometimes a weakness is more complex than simply being exposed to the right substance. Sourcefield was weakened by Kool-Aid but she only lost her powers when she drank it. Prof could theoretically have recognised that he was in danger as a result of his weakness and left before the situation became critical.

Note I don't think that's actually the case, I'm just saying it's a possibility.

Reminds me of the Rithmatist. Is Megan going to be David's Melody? Will Joel and David get powers in the end? Will Calamity turn out to be Legion all along, and will the Smedrys be able to stop Prof who, surprise surprise, becomes the leader of the Librarians?!

 

Sorry, I got a bit carried away.

If I had to put money on it I'd say Joel yes, David no.

Prof gifted him afterwards, though.

 

Yeah, except that during that fight he was leashing himself. He barely even used his force fields and made sure to heal himself very slowly so that he didn't snap. Unleashed, he could have easily just trapped Steelheart in an impenetrable force field until he starved to death.

 

I honestly didn't think there was any doubt that it was the Superman S.

A small amount of aluminium will wipe out a large amount of other metals. Seems end-positive to me. It would be end-negative if you had to burn more aluminium than you had of the other metals to purge them.

Too bad it's probably impossible to have shardgrenades.

We need shardcannonballs. Next best thing.

Gravitation and Pressure Surges would make a Shardcannon very possible, you know...

Why didn't the Starfall vision Radiants change their Blades? Six-foot-long monstrosities could not possibly have been the best option for the Midnight Essense, let alone a pack of them. They were getting in close enough for scratching, so at the very least a shorter Blade. Maybe something like a spear, to reach the main body while those spindly legs attack you? A Shardhalberd, to sweep the ground and attack their vulnerable aforementioned spindly legs? Anything other than a giant sword that would only get in your companion's way. Why didn't they shift?

Going back a bit in the thread to reply to this... I expect that most Radiants were not experts in multiple forms of combat but would pick one style that suited them. Not everyone is a battle prodigy like Kaladin. Or, alternatively, the Radiants may have considered weapon-switching dangerous. Maybe they agreed with Bruce Lee when he said: "I fear not the man who has practised 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practised one kick 10,000 times."

My headcannon is that Helaran stayed with the skybreakers, and was sent to kill Amaram during a battle.

 

I mean, that's a perfectly legal way for Nalan to kill Amaram, if he wanted to.  It's legal to kill enemy combatants during battle, and Helaran was enlisted in the army fighting Amaram.  And that's also why Nalan couldn't organize another hit on Amaram's life.  His leg injury kept him out of action, so there was no subsequent battle to kill him in.  And even if there was, he's a shardbearer now.  That would have been too difficult of a hit for the skybreakers to pull off.  And they might be in the same boat as Shallan, and falsely believe that Amaram managed to slay a shardbearer, which would make them more hesitant in pulling the same stunt again.

I've been wondering if he really was looking for a Surgebinder in Amaram's army instead (or as well). The modern Skybreakers are very good at finding them, after all. They might have assumed that Amaram was the Surgebinder, in fact.

Actually if they think that Amaram killed a Shardbearer and took his Shards then that coud explain why they haven't tried to kill him again - Nalan would presumably know that no Surgebinder could actually wield a Shardblade in combat, meaning they could rule Amaram out as a potential Surgebinder.

Right, right "thematically appropriate." I listened to the audiobook version so it's hard to track down a single line for reference Thanks.

That is an interesting thought... I think we can somewhat safely assume that the weakness would either have been based on another fear or somehow re-activated his fear of water if David had actually become an Epic, because otherwise he turned down powers for no good reason.

The first GraphicAudio production I listened to was Elantris. The opening made a real impression on me. Especially the bit that goes "Eternity ended ten years ago."