stormbourne Posted September 20, 2019 Posted September 20, 2019 (edited) so my guess is that surgebinding isn't the first dual magic rohasrian/ashyn humans have wielded my theory is that odium and cultivation both granted power to ashyn humans and this combination is what lead to the destruction of the majority of the planet, cultivation and a number of humans fled to roshar and honour being a romantically involved with cultivation and taking pitty on those whom had suffered odium's betrayal allowed them onto roshar Edited September 20, 2019 by stormbourne
Fezzik Posted September 20, 2019 Posted September 20, 2019 Welcome to the shard! To answer your question, H&C were on Roshar and were the listener's gods when Odium and Humans came over. At some point after, the groups switched deities. Also, when you title a thread in the future, it is good practice not to use all caps, and make it relevant to the topic you want to discuss--like "pre-SA Ashyn shard timeline." You also want to avoid spoilers because topic titles appear on the main page under recently created--so not "Odium was not the only shard who helped humanity destroy Ashyn" 1
stormbourne Posted September 20, 2019 Author Posted September 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, John203 said: Welcome to the shard! To answer your question, H&C were on Roshar and were the listener's gods when Odium and Humans came over. At some point after, the groups switched deities. i debate the interpretation of that Q&A as we have seen that power easily travels between planets
TheBeast22846 he/him Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 3 hours ago, stormbourne said: i debate the interpretation of that Q&A as we have seen that power easily travels between planets Well, it's not really an interpretation thing. Brandon has explicitly confirmed that Honor and Cultivation arrived to Roshar at the same time. Quote Lance Alvein Did Cultivation come to Roshar with Honor, or was she already on Roshar when Honor arrived? Brandon Sanderson Good question. They came together. However the idea that Odium may have granted powers to humans before migrating to Roshar is a good one. It's one of mine, and I believe that it's been mentioned on Shardcast before. We don't know a lot about what caused the destruction of Ashyn, so it's a decent idea that surgebinding could've been around pre-roshar.
stormbourne Posted September 21, 2019 Author Posted September 21, 2019 7 hours ago, TheBeast22846 said: Well, it's not really an interpretation thing. Brandon has explicitly confirmed that Honor and Cultivation arrived to Roshar at the same time. However the idea that Odium may have granted powers to humans before migrating to Roshar is a good one. It's one of mine, and I believe that it's been mentioned on Shardcast before. We don't know a lot about what caused the destruction of Ashyn, so it's a decent idea that surgebinding could've been around pre-roshar. but there are three different roshars and that part i debate, most people assume that it's the planet they went to but i think it the system frankly i think that odium is on braise, honour the planet roshar, and cultivation is on ashyn
TheBeast22846 he/him Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 7 hours ago, stormbourne said: but there are three different roshars First off, there are 10 planets in the Rosharan system. It's just that there are 3 in the habitable zone, but I don't think the "habitable" rules play into the equation for shards. 7 hours ago, stormbourne said: most people assume that it's the planet they went to but i think it the system frankly i think that odium is on braise, honour the planet roshar, and cultivation is on ashyn Well, we know that Honor and Cultivation were both involved with spren. Spren have a certain degree of Cultivations investiture, and since we have seen her on-screen removing Dalinars memories, I'd say it's a safe bet to go with the obvious answer and say that Cultivation is on Roshar. Besides, humans destroyed Ashyn while they were of Odium, I don't think Cultivation would want to be around that kind of influence.
stormbourne Posted September 21, 2019 Author Posted September 21, 2019 2 hours ago, TheBeast22846 said: First off, there are 10 planets in the Rosharan system. It's just that there are 3 in the habitable zone, but I don't think the "habitable" rules play into the equation for shards. Well, we know that Honor and Cultivation were both involved with spren. Spren have a certain degree of Cultivations investiture, and since we have seen her on-screen removing Dalinars memories, I'd say it's a safe bet to go with the obvious answer and say that Cultivation is on Roshar. Besides, humans destroyed Ashyn while they were of Odium, I don't think Cultivation would want to be around that kind of influence. well i meant the three of the continent, the planet, and the system in that same section she says this is the first time she has come in 100's of years to a partition allowing her daughter the nightwatch to hold court in her absence while this doesn't rule out that she is invested on roshar i think honour is more likely to be on roshar the planet while cultivation is on ashyn cause of honours strict adherence to the letter of their shardic-oath cultivation is the manifestation of change odium would have very easy time convincing her to allow his magic on ashyn eventually resulting in it's destruction
Elegy he/him Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, TheBeast22846 said: First off, there are 10 planets in the Rosharan system. It's just that there are 3 in the habitable zone, but I don't think the "habitable" rules play into the equation for shards. Probably a slip of the tongue/finger, and I don't want to come across as nit-picky... But there's 13 planets (10 of them being gas giants, so they're not habitable anyway). 1 hour ago, stormbourne said: well i meant the three of the continent, the planet, and the system In that specific WOB, the questioner uses the phrasing "on Roshar", which wouldn't make much sense referring to the system. (I also believe he would say Rosharan System rather than Roshar if he meant it that way, but I realize that this isn't necessarily the case.) There is, however, this WOB that confirms that Cultivation and Honor were both already there at the time Odium "came long with them" (the humans), which has to refer to the planet since he brought the humans from within the system: Quote Hoidonalsium What was the order of the Shards coming to Roshar and changing allegiances? Did humans come with Odium? Brandon Sanderson So... you're talking about on Roshar specifically? So, Odium had visited Roshar. The humans gave him more of an ear... The Dawnsingers would have considered him the god of the people who had come, but-- I mean, it wasn't like they necessarily brought him. He was capable of getting around before that. I mean, he did kinda come along with them, he was instrumental in what happened there. Hoidonalsium Okay, but he was separate, and after Honor and Cultivation had really settled there? Brandon Sanderson Yes, he was after Honor and Cultivation had settled. Oathbringer Glasgow signing (Dec. 2, 2017) But I do like how you tackle the known information about the Shards from a different perspective with this theory. Edited September 21, 2019 by Elegy
Calderis he/him Posted September 22, 2019 Posted September 22, 2019 Considering this WoB, "Roshar" definitely seems to mean the planet as it refers specifically to Ashyn as separate. Quote Hoidonalsium What was the order of the Shards coming to Roshar and changing allegiances? Did humans come with Odium? Brandon Sanderson So... you're talking about on Roshar specifically? So, Odium had visited Roshar. The humans gave him more of an ear... The Dawnsingers would have considered him the god of the people who had come, but-- I mean, it wasn't like they necessarily brought him. He was capable of getting around before that. I mean, he did kinda come along with them, he was instrumental in what happened there. Hoidonalsium Okay, but he was separate, and after Honor and Cultivation had really settled there? Brandon Sanderson Yes, he was after Honor and Cultivation had settled. Oathbringer Glasgow signing (Dec. 2, 2017)
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