Jetter he/him Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 Hey Guys, So I’ve had an idea in my head for a while now and I haven’t seen anything on the forums regarding it. So I figured I should at least bring it up. I apologize if this has been discussed previously, I couldn’t find it anywhere. Lets start with some facts: Hoid is refered to as the “Bearer of the First Gem” in one of the letters. Gems can hold stormlight, a form of investiture Gems can also hold beings of investiture of varying sizes (spren and Unmade) The Unmade, Splinters of Odium, was contained inside “Kings Drop”, a perfect gem the size of a child’s head. Now for some speculation: What is to say that if someone was to have a large enough gem (I realize that it gets unrealistic to a point) they could potentially contain a whole shard. As I imagine that the Unmade hold a non-trivial portion of Odium’s power and a child’s head doesn’t seem TOO big considering the vast power. In the very first letter Hoid states that “the element” is safe. When compared to the later letters this could refer to the first gem. But why would Frost care if the gem would be safe unless it has vast importance and that specific individuals would want to destroy it. The only thing I can think of that would make a gem interesting enough that a shard would refer to it as a type of title would be if it were VERY large. Well or if it held some special type of investiture, but we haven’t seen investiture being special in this manner before. I recognize that it could be a title, but I feel that Brandon wouldn’t bring up something like that in this manner if weren’t a physical or real object. So could Hoid possess a gem, the size and cut so large that it could be a prison for a shard? Could the reason that he believes Rayse would level a very important city if he even suspected Hoid was there is not because he’s just been incredibly annoying to him, (or not just) but because he is the sole bearer of a “weapon” that can imprison a god or a piece of a god? Could it already contain one of the six shards we don’t know about or a piece of one? When your talking about volume of a 3 dimensional object if you increase the radius it will increase the volume by n^3 times. So if its 5 times as big (like a small boulder) it will hold 125 times more. Though that doesn’t take into consideration exactly how much larger a shard is than its splinters, or how it would possibly be created and cut I think the idea still stands as an interesting possibility. What do you guys think? 2
Calderis he/him Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 I don't think it was just a simple gem. First off, containing a shard compared to containing a Splinter... The gem would not be something someone could carry. Second, the first line of this is in reference to the gem. Quote Have you given up on the gemstone, now that it is dead? And do you no longer hide behind the name of your old master? I am told that in your current incarnation you’ve taken a name that references what you presume to be one of your virtues. Quote ParadoxicalZen The Second Letter, Frost mentions a gemstone, is that in the Moon Scepter? Brandon Sanderson No, good question. That is a topaz, which was associated with him for a long time and had some mystical properties. Shadows of Self London UK signing (Oct. 19, 2015) Whatever it was... I don't think it is anything we've seen yet. 2
WhiteEmporer Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 Perhaps the gemstone contains the remnant of Adonalsium.
Turtle373 he/him Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, WhiteEmporer said: Perhaps the gemstone contains the remnant of Adonalsium. uh, the remnants of Adonalsium are the shards
WhiteEmporer Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Turtle373 said: uh, the remnants of Adonalsium are the shards The shattering could very well have left a core, a remnant of the being Adonalsium was when he was whole. Or not, of course. At this point, it's only a plausible crackpot theory.
Turtle373 he/him Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, WhiteEmporer said: The shattering could very well have left a core, a remnant of the being Adonalsium was when he was whole. Or not, of course. At this point, it's only a plausible crackpot theory. I mean maybe, but personally I don't think there was anything of Adonalsium left except for the shards, and maybe a cognitive shadow
WhiteEmporer Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Turtle373 said: I mean maybe, but personally I don't think there was anything of Adonalsium left except for the shards, and maybe a cognitive shadow Eh, as I said, at this point it's only a plausible crackpot theory.
+Child of Hodor Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Calderis said: I don't think it was just a simple gem. First off, containing a shard compared to containing a Splinter... The gem would not be something someone could carry. Second, the first line of this is in reference to the gem. Whatever it was... I don't think it is anything we've seen yet. It was a living and seemingly very important or powerful entity. I don't think it was like a container that something alive was in, I think the gem was a singular living being in some way. Autonomy calls Hoid "Bearer of the First Gem" sounds like a fancy official title. Makes it sound like bearing it could be both duty or burden and a privilege. It's possible this is the dead being Hoid is looking to restore. Quote “You will not find a way to restore what you have lost, old friend,” the aged man said softly. ”It is impossible.” “You don’t know that. The old rules no longer hold.” The Traveler turned the pomegranate over in his fingers. ”Besides, I’ve heard of a place… It doesn’t matter. I don’t care. This isn’t about the dead… or it’s not JUST about the dead, at least.” https://wob.coppermind.net/events/332/#e9518 Dragonsteel spoilers. Spoiler He is calling himself Topaz in Dragonsteel prime, but does not seem to be carrying around a gem. He could have it hidden. My guess is he was bonded or fused with it. "Bearer" sounds like it has to be with him in some form. It may be what gave Hoid his immortality. Hoid's already immortal in Dragonsteel prime. People like @Chaos who have read the the book aren't sure what Brandon was referring to in the WoB below. There are only so many magical things in the book: Dragonsteel, the Topaz gem he's named himself after, fain life (somehow?) that magic similar to division where people meditate and split matter at the atomic level Problem is what gave Hoid immortality was also the weapon made and used to kill Adonalsium. Topaz may not fit as the weapon. In DS prime Adonalsium is not mentioned once and the conflicts in the book don't seem directly related to the problem(s) that made some of the 16 feel they had no other choice, but to kill a god, according to Khriss in MSB:SH. Yet, Hoid is already Topaz and seems like he had been for a bit. Weapon makes me think of object which makes me think of the gem.However, taking a step back and thinking about how they killed Adonalsium the Division-esque magic seems the most likely candidate for tearing Adonalsium to pieces, but how does that sustain Hoid's immortality post-shattering when all the magic is messed up and doesn't work the same? Valhalla [PENDING REVIEW] So, you talked about a weapon made by the enemies of Adonalsium, and you said it doesn't exist in it's original form. Do any remnants of it still exist in the Physical Realm? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yes. Valhalla [PENDING REVIEW] Have we seen any of those remnants on-screen? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] *pause* RAFO. In current continuity (and people would know this), Hoid's immortality comes from this. People who have read Dragonsteel know that. Edited March 8, 2019 by Child of Hodor
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