Odium's Prison

[+Child of Hodor]

I left a reply in the Shardcast on this, but I wanted to start a thread on this idea. 

The Stormfather references Honor and Cultivation as an analog for the Oathpact. The Fused are the prisoners of the Oathpact but they never agreed to it. The Oathpact is between the Heralds and Honor. The Fused are released when one of the parties breaks their Oath Honor or one of the Heralds on Braize (9 Heralds on Roshar refusing to return to Braize is a loophole because no one considered that they'd ever not be on Braize when the Oathpact was agreed to). 

What if Honor and Cultivation made a pact with each other that trapped Odium? Only one party needs to break the pact for it to fall apart. Honor or his remnants can break the pact by themselves because there are only two parties to the contract.  

Mistborn Spoilers:

Spoiler

One issue is that Vin as Preservation was not bound by the Preservation - Ruin contract because it was really between Leras holding Preservation and Ati holding Ruin. Once Leras moved Beyond it was no longer valid. 

Tanavast is dead, so any agreement should be voided (heh). I think it still holds because Tanavast did not go Beyond. He made himself a cognitive shadow and was absorbed by the Stormfather. He's still on Roshar telling Dalinar to "Unite Them" every once in a while. This is why Dalinar can impact the contract, he can stand in for Tanavast because on one level he is the same as Tanavast because they are bonded on the spiritual level. 

[beantheboy12 he/him]

I think I can’t quote someone on this, but I believe that Odium is restrained by Honor’s last action and cultivation is the prison guard. That way, if Odium works to escape, it would take a great deal of his power leaving himself vulnerable to cultivation. But he can minorly influence Roshar though and command his forces that aren’t bound down

[Scion of the Mists]

8 minutes ago, beantheboy12 said:

I think I can’t quote someone on this, but I believe that Odium is restrained by Honor’s last action and cultivation is the prison guard. That way, if Odium works to escape, it would take a great deal of his power leaving himself vulnerable to cultivation. But he can minorly influence Roshar though and command his forces that aren’t bound down

I don't know that prison guard is the right analogy, but Odium is indeed limited in which actions he can take without "exposing himself to a strike from Cultivation."  (OB ch 111)

[+Child of Hodor]

1 hour ago, beantheboy12 said:

I think I can’t quote someone on this, but I believe that Odium is restrained by Honor’s last action and cultivation is the prison guard. That way, if Odium works to escape, it would take a great deal of his power leaving himself vulnerable to cultivation. But he can minorly influence Roshar though and command his forces that aren’t bound down

I could see that. Cultivation is called "The Slammer" by Hoid per a WoB. And as @Scion of the Mists said he is afraid of exposing himself. 

I don't think any of that precludes the reason Odium can't leave the system being a pact between Honor and Cultivation. Honor and Odium can still kill each other despite whatever is going on, since Odium was killed Tanavast/Honor according to a vision "Odium has killed me" - WoK Ch. 75

I don't think it was Honor's last action that initially trapped him, I think his last action preserved the contract by keeping Tanavast around. Odium was in the system for at least many thousands of years before Honor died. I'm sure that's not what Odium wanted and was part of Tanavast's plan that Frost speculates about in his letter to Hoid. 

Edited February 22, 2019 by Child of Hodor

[Scion of the Mists]

10 minutes ago, Child of Hodor said:

I don't think it was Honor's last action that initially trapped him, I think his last action preserved the contract by keeping Tanavast around. Odium was in the system for at least many thousands of years before Honor died. I'm sure that's not what Odium and was part of Tanavast's plan that Frost speculates about in his letter to Hoid. 

Yeah, Honor's death was actually fairly recent.  It was post-Recreance.  

It's actually pretty strange that we don't know exactly when Honor died.  That seems like a major event that would cause something of note on the planet.  Plus, if Odium Splintered him, where are these new Splinters?