Scion of the Mists Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 3 hours ago, TheFoxQR said: 5 hours ago, Oltux72 said: Yes. Now. Always? When? Since settlement or since the calmity that forced the exodus to Roshar and the rest into the floating cities? Yes, Ashyn's medical advancement and the diseases granting surges have to be pre-calamity. Otherwise using them to keep cities afloat wouldn't make sense. Also, Calamities like that usually regress societies, not progress. That is not to say new things haven't been developed after, just that the primary means by which the floating cities remain functional have to have been known before. The PoV character even mentions the dangerousness of the powers granted by the diseases when he is pondering on the devastation. Ashyn's magic system was not always based on diseases. 3 hours ago, TheFoxQR said: 5 hours ago, Oltux72 said: Bacteria and viruses are physical entities. Aviars, aethers and Taldainian sand can be brought offworld, even to another solar system. The sand is confirmed to still work. Breaths can be brought offworld and keep working. Shades can be taken offworld. And the bacteria would be moved within a solar system whose planets all are under the influence of the same Shards. We do not know how any of those work precisely. We do not know anything about what the special steps required for something like the Spren or Kelsier going offworld are. So I'm not gonna speculate there. Azure, Hoid, and Mraize are all very cosmere aware people. If any of those things have this restriction, these characters could feasibly have taken the steps required to untether it. So I'm not sure if we can use those as examples here. There is a huge difference between spren/Cognitive Shadows (i.e. being composed mostly or entirely of Investiture) and standard living beings. We've never seen any restrictions on normal beings worldhopping, even highly Invested ones (e.g. Marsh's "Investiture would not prevent him from going offworld"). However, spren and Cognitive Shadows are different because they're basically entirely Investiture, which binds them to their Shard's physical location. 1
+TheFoxQR Posted February 7, 2019 Author Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Scion of the Mists said: Ashyn's magic system was not always based on diseases. Ahh. We should ask if Ashyn's magic system was always micro-organism based. There may have been a time when they didn't cause sickness. Perhaps Odium's doing? See, Honor and Cultivation were on Roshar. If Odium was after the shards, why did he make a pit-stop on Ashyn? Does it have anything to do with his particular brand of Shard-splintering? To gather an army, maybe? Edited February 7, 2019 by TheFoxQR
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