Cstryon he/him Posted June 6, 2014 Posted June 6, 2014 I have a feeling that gold heals the damage done by the infection rather than allowing them to create antibodies (super antibodies) though I guess that's feasible. CCould you imagine there being some allomantic pimp, whoa , compounding something to give them control, has a whole crew of workers, performing task at the pimps whim? If I could compound something that makes me, unchallenged, and have a stockpile of metals. There would be so many dependent on me! Oh man, nnow I can see a side story, that's not too relate to the main story, that's pretty much an allomantic, mob story. Companies might gain an official monopoly, but I see it more likely a mob boss having the real control. 1
Swimmingly he/him Posted June 6, 2014 Posted June 6, 2014 And that is another excellent point. Wow Scadrial really lost out in Miles Hundred lives. He could have SAVED a hundred lives, instead of preserving only his own and taking others. Oh wow I thought of a kinda twisted use for cadnium bubbles. Have them as back ups for emergencies. For instance if a building catches fire, or a gunpowder store room is about to explode, send a runner to get help, then burn cadnium. It will mean you might die as it is normal time for you, but it could result in firefighters and response teams getting there that much sooner and preventing the fire/explosion from getting out of hand. Oh! oh! they could be part of every bomb squad! Bomb ticking down, set up a cadnium bubble, evacuate the surrounding area, and then disarm it. My favourite idea for cadmium and bendalloy is having them stand next to eachother and burn. The cadmium bubble could be much larger, and the bendalloy would normalize the timeshift within itself. The end result would be a ring-effect slowing, letting the Allomancers trap anyone trying to approach with Cadmium, or freeze a bomb in time withoiut freezing themselves 1
Pathfinder Posted June 6, 2014 Author Posted June 6, 2014 My favourite idea for cadmium and bendalloy is having them stand next to eachother and burn. The cadmium bubble could be much larger, and the bendalloy would normalize the timeshift within itself. The end result would be a ring-effect slowing, letting the Allomancers trap anyone trying to approach with Cadmium, or freeze a bomb in time withoiut freezing themselves I wonder what looking out through the bubble would be like due to the time distortion? Could you see from the bendalloy bubble, through the cadmium bubble to normal time clearly, or would it be like trying to look through water? Distorted and warped? 1
Shaggai Posted June 6, 2014 Posted June 6, 2014 I wonder what looking out through the bubble would be like due to the time distortion? Could you see from the bendalloy bubble, through the cadmium bubble to normal time clearly, or would it be like trying to look through water? Distorted and warped? Probably like looking through a full bubble. It's slowing down and then speeding up again on the other side. 1
Pathfinder Posted June 9, 2014 Author Posted June 9, 2014 Random thought, if you were outside a cadmium bubble, and the person stood on lets say a building, and poured water in a relatively steady stream, how would it look when it came out of the bubble? Would it sputter or mist? Also I wonder what would happen if you held a person half in/ half out in any of those bubbles. Not just pass through, but hold them there part of the way through and sustain the bubble 2
Left he/him Posted June 9, 2014 Posted June 9, 2014 Also I wonder what would happen if you held a person half in/ half out in any of those bubbles. Not just pass through, but hold them there part of the way through and sustain the bubble I think that, if you could manage to do what you described, it would be really bad for their health. It would mess with how your body transported all the stuff on the inside. The two inside halves of your body would be going at different rates. That just can't be good for you. 1
Pathfinder Posted June 9, 2014 Author Posted June 9, 2014 I think that, if you could manage to do what you described, it would be really bad for their health. It would mess with how your body transported all the stuff on the inside. The two inside halves of your body would be going at different rates. That just can't be good for you. Hmmm, then that would be an interesting means in which to employ it in combat. If Wayne studied the limit to the radius of his bubble, and practiced enough, he could potentially pop up the bubble during battle bisecting opponents for brief bursts. Assuming said opponent is standing, and he gained a decent proficiency at it, he could bisect an opponent vertically, separating the brain in half and at the very least stun him or her. 1
Shaggai Posted June 9, 2014 Posted June 9, 2014 I think that, if you could manage to do what you described, it would be really bad for their health. It would mess with how your body transported all the stuff on the inside. The two inside halves of your body would be going at different rates. That just can't be good for you. Hmmm, then that would be an interesting means in which to employ it in combat. If Wayne studied the limit to the radius of his bubble, and practiced enough, he could potentially pop up the bubble during battle bisecting opponents for brief bursts. Assuming said opponent is standing, and he gained a decent proficiency at it, he could bisect an opponent vertically, separating the brain in half and at the very least stun him or her. Objects are either entirely in or entirely out of a bubble. It's a Cognitive thing. 1
Pathfinder Posted June 9, 2014 Author Posted June 9, 2014 (edited) Objects are either entirely in or entirely out of a bubble. It's a Cognitive thing. Could you elaborate or provide links so I can better understand? I do know a lot of the power systems function on how the user cognitively views themselves, like in healing, but I haven't read anything regarding the bubbles. edit: Kurkstan posted a rather informative thread on the time bubbles covering what you mentioned so I understand what you mean now. I gave an example of a situation that actually disputes what Brandon stated, but hopefully Kurk can enlighten me as to why the example still works, rather than it potentially being an oversight of Brandon's in the new Shadows of Self. edit2: so I recalled the scene incorrectly. So yeah at this point in time, no halvsies lol. Edited June 10, 2014 by Pathfinder 1
MistLord he/him Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 And that is another excellent point. Wow Scadrial really lost out in Miles Hundred lives. He could have SAVED a hundred lives, instead of preserving only his own and taking others. Oh wow I thought of a kinda twisted use for cadnium bubbles. Have them as back ups for emergencies. For instance if a building catches fire, or a gunpowder store room is about to explode, send a runner to get help, then burn cadnium. It will mean you might die as it is normal time for you, but it could result in firefighters and response teams getting there that much sooner and preventing the fire/explosion from getting out of hand. Oh! oh! they could be part of every bomb squad! Bomb ticking down, set up a cadnium bubble, evacuate the surrounding area, and then disarm it. Love the Gold antibody idea. The Cadmium idea sounds like a good idea for the 'mist fabrials' the people down South are supposedly developing in some form. Cadmium grenades! Freeze the moment just how you like it! 1
Serity Posted July 4, 2014 Posted July 4, 2014 If a lurcher uses light posts to pull, since the ENTIRE light post is made of metal, can the lurcher choose what portion of the light to pull on? Or does he or she have to pull on the ENTIRE post? if it is the former, does the light post have hundreds of allomantic lines streaming towards it when burning steel or iron, or does it have one giant thick blue allomantic line? Wasn't sure if anyone else had addressed this, but in Alloy of Law, Waxillium is able to fly down a railway line by pushing down on one part of the rails and pushing back on another part of the rails, so I'd say that's precedent for being able to push on a particular part of a piece of metal rather than the whole or the center of the metal. 1
Shaggai Posted July 4, 2014 Posted July 4, 2014 Wasn't sure if anyone else had addressed this, but in Alloy of Law, Waxillium is able to fly down a railway line by pushing down on one part of the rails and pushing back on another part of the rails, so I'd say that's precedent for being able to push on a particular part of a piece of metal rather than the whole or the center of the metal. He might have been pushing on the rail spikes, though. That would be different pieces of metal.
Serity Posted July 4, 2014 Posted July 4, 2014 He might have been pushing on the rail spikes, though. That would be different pieces of metal. He refers to it as a "continuous push" backward, rather than repeatedly pushing on different bits of metal.
Pathfinder Posted July 4, 2014 Author Posted July 4, 2014 I forgot who stated this earlier in the thread, but someone mentioned how Kelsier in the original trilogy pushed on a steel bar, and as it was flying pulled on one end so it would be spinning as it flew. But thank you for contributing, and do you have a quote or page reference? I am curious about the scene, because if it is possible to do one continuous push along a long length of metal then that may affect the appearance and possible trajectories of coinshots and lurchers in future books, given the hallmark of a mistborn's "flight" was jerking back and forth with each push and pull. That it took a hemalurgically influenced Zane to have the precision for fluid flight.
Shaggai Posted July 4, 2014 Posted July 4, 2014 He refers to it as a "continuous push" backward, rather than repeatedly pushing on different bits of metal. I find it plausible that he would view a continuous series of Pushes as one Push. 1
Serity Posted July 5, 2014 Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) I forgot who stated this earlier in the thread, but someone mentioned how Kelsier in the original trilogy pushed on a steel bar, and as it was flying pulled on one end so it would be spinning as it flew. But thank you for contributing, and do you have a quote or page reference? I am curious about the scene, because if it is possible to do one continuous push along a long length of metal then that may affect the appearance and possible trajectories of coinshots and lurchers in future books, given the hallmark of a mistborn's "flight" was jerking back and forth with each push and pull. That it took a hemalurgically influenced Zane to have the precision for fluid flight. Don't have a page ref. since I was reading the eBook version, but the quote is "He Pushed, throwing himself into the air. He reached a good height, then Shoved on the rails behind him, shooting forward. A careful Push below, a continuous Push behind. The wind roared around him..." The way it's phrased seems to me like he is shooting straight forward along the rails using two continuous pushes, one for lift and one for thrust, rather than the bounding flight we've seen elsewhere when there isn't a continuous length of metal to push on. Additionally, in chapter 8 of The Final Empire, when Kelsier first teaches Vin about steel and iron, both of them were referred to as "hovering" in one place, rather than jerking about. Edited July 5, 2014 by PrometheusLKR
Pathfinder Posted July 5, 2014 Author Posted July 5, 2014 Don't have a page ref. since I was reading the eBook version, but the quote is "He Pushed, throwing himself into the air. He reached a good height, then Shoved on the rails behind him, shooting forward. A careful Push below, a continuous Push behind. The wind roared around him..." The way it's phrased seems to me like he is shooting straight forward along the rails using two continuous pushes, one for lift and one for thrust, rather than the bounding flight we've seen elsewhere when there isn't a continuous length of metal to push on. Additionally, in chapter 8 of The Final Empire, when Kelsier first teaches Vin about steel and iron, both of them were referred to as "hovering" in one place, rather than jerking about. I see what you are saying. Could be and would be cool to see it come up more in later books regarding the original mistborn trilogy, hovering required multiple anchors. Vin commented how she was surprised about how Zane could remain hovering over a single coin without needing at least two or three. What I was referring to was travel. When a mistborn flies through the city, it is sudden pushes or pulls that make their progress due to the relative lack of prevalence of metal more haphazard than spider-man. this quote implies with enough metal, or continuous metal, you can maintain one long push and shift the the point of the push on the metal as you are traveling which dramatically affects flight
11thorderknight Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 In Mistborn, it's heavily implied that a push/pull affects the center of gravity of the metal object. If the object is large, however, I can definitely see a very skilled allomancer being able to slight move the "allomantic center" of the object away from its physical center. This would explain how Kelsier could make a metal bar spin, and how Zane could balance himself on a single coin rather than needing a tripod. I bet this is something that takes a great degree of skill, but can be done. It probably will be more common among "modern" coinshots/lurchers, since there will be more large metal objects to practice on and more time to practice.
Pathfinder Posted July 10, 2014 Author Posted July 10, 2014 In Mistborn, it's heavily implied that a push/pull affects the center of gravity of the metal object. If the object is large, however, I can definitely see a very skilled allomancer being able to slight move the "allomantic center" of the object away from its physical center. This would explain how Kelsier could make a metal bar spin, and how Zane could balance himself on a single coin rather than needing a tripod. I bet this is something that takes a great degree of skill, but can be done. It probably will be more common among "modern" coinshots/lurchers, since there will be more large metal objects to practice on and more time to practice. Makes sense. Everything we see of Wax clearly shows he is a VERY experienced coinshot, so it would not be a stretch at all to imagine he would have the level of proficiency required to accomplish that. If it becomes relatively common for coinshots and lurchers to do so, and potentially accelerate travel then though it is a stretch, I could see it affecting how communication develops. For instance Japan used fax machines earlier and for far longer due to their character based language. It may take longer for fax machines to gain a hold when compared to a swift coinshot courier system. Do I wait for cities to be wired enough, and an expensive and faulty fax machine to be set up to send a missive, or do I just hand it to my local coinshot courier and he or she gets it there for me?
11thorderknight Posted July 19, 2014 Posted July 19, 2014 Coinshots were used as couriers back in the Final Empire days - remember the spikeways that Vin used? The only reason that they didn't have spikeways for Lurchers is that it's a lot more expensive to build tall metal poles than to stick a spike in the ground, but in a modern society, it would be a lot easier. Build an elevated rail type thing, and have the Lurchers swinging underneath while the Coinshots flew over top!
11thorderknight Posted July 19, 2014 Posted July 19, 2014 The real question is - once X-rays are invented, will society go on a massive hunt for all the kandra?! 3
Swimmingly he/him Posted July 19, 2014 Posted July 19, 2014 Yeah that could get inconvenient - break a bone, and, whoops, looks like Harmony's Faceless Immortals are gonna have to splint themselves, huh?
11thorderknight Posted July 19, 2014 Posted July 19, 2014 Yeah that could get inconvenient - break a bone, and, whoops, looks like Harmony's Faceless Immortals are gonna have to splint themselves, huh? That would be the least of it! I mean, think about it - would our society tolerate a race of ancient beings that can steal anyone's identity? They'd be pretty lucky to avoid a mass persecution. Maybe I'm projecting too much of the 21st century American point of view onto things, but I can definitely see kandra having to go off the grid once technology advances. That, or find a way to remain sentient without the Blessings.
Swimmingly he/him Posted July 19, 2014 Posted July 19, 2014 Or Sazed manifests: "I do not mean to cause offense, People of Scadrial, but you are mistreating my HOLY EFFING ANGELS, I think. Some gods might consider that just cause for divine retribution, would they not? Please, think on this matter. Thank you." 2
Pathfinder Posted July 19, 2014 Author Posted July 19, 2014 That would be the least of it! I mean, think about it - would our society tolerate a race of ancient beings that can steal anyone's identity? They'd be pretty lucky to avoid a mass persecution. Maybe I'm projecting too much of the 21st century American point of view onto things, but I can definitely see kandra having to go off the grid once technology advances. That, or find a way to remain sentient without the Blessings. Oooooooor, they get craftier, and shape their blessings like hip bones, or shoulder bones, etc. Then when x-rayed, it is a convenient hip replacement, etc.
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