Calderis he/him Posted November 3, 2018 Posted November 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Fanghur Rahl said: Either that or the Stormfather was simply incorrect about the inability to lie being a trait all Shards share as opposed to just one of Honor. I just mentioned this in another thread to you, but a shard being bound to a pact made does not mean they can't lie. An promise/oath made with intent will bind the Shards. That has nothing to do with them speaking falsehoods.
Fanghur Rahl he/him Posted November 3, 2018 Posted November 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Calderis said: I just mentioned this in another thread to you, but a shard being bound to a pact made does not mean they can't lie. An promise/oath made with intent will bind the Shards. That has nothing to do with them speaking falsehoods. Sorry, that’s what I meant. I meant that they couldn’t lie in the sense of breaking their promises.
NoiseSpren he/him Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 Quwstion is: did they make the pact before they ascended? It would be more simple to break it.
goody153 Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 Quote Mason Wheeler [PENDING REVIEW] One of the Letters in Oathbringer suggests that the Shards had a pact to all go their separate ways. And some of them held to it and some of them didn't? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yes. Mason Wheeler [PENDING REVIEW] Out of all of them, how is it possible that one of the ones that didn't is the one whose nature is to obsessively keep your word at all costs? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] He would argue that he kept his word. Mason Wheeler [PENDING REVIEW] Okay, so loophole. Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] He wouldn't even call it a loophole. source This gives me an impression that you can do mental gymnastics with the pact of the shards to all go their separate ways. That when his separate way is basically with cultivation. Maybe that's why Honor didn't have problems. He actually thought it counts as separate ways.
Quantus he/him Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 4 hours ago, goody153 said: This gives me an impression that you can do mental gymnastics with the pact of the shards to all go their separate ways. That when his separate way is basically with cultivation. Maybe that's why Honor didn't have problems. He actually thought it counts as separate ways. "Go Our Separate Ways" is different from "Dont Interfere with Each Other". which is different from "Dont Violate Each Other's Domains" and any number of other variations. There is a lot of interpretation there even before you throw a group of Hyper-polarized folk into the mix. Where one might think the Agreement was to all settle separately, one shard Only per World, another might think it was just that they all go off and settle somewhere and after that you dont interfere with the Investments of another shard. The latter would not preclude two shards from willingly settling together (especially if they were married/involved). Leras and Ati went off and Created a whole new world, hard to argue they dont both have equal claim to that world. All of it, the both the Spirit and the Letter of that Agreement will depend entirely on Why they shattered Adonalsium in the first place. If, for example, the whole reason they did it was to prevent the accumulation of 16x Shardic Power, then the spirit of it would be more clearly violated by grouping or heaven forbid actually Combining shards like Harmony. If they as a group had more active goals for how they were intending to use the Power, it would be hard to say a pair couldnt go off and make their own sandbox together. Regardless, I think it's telling that Odium's first target was NOT one of the violator pairs of that agreement, it was just the one he thought was the biggest threat to his supremacy. So far both pairs he's gone after seem to have been targets of opportunity.
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